Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on modern hardware

2020-04-19 Thread Phill Carter
> On 20 Apr 2020, at 12:30 pm, Chris Albertson > wrote: > > What we have with LinuxCNC is "legacy software".The hardware hardly > matters.This software was designed before the modern era, before > computing power was nearly free, back when you really needed a PC just to > make a few

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on modern hardware

2020-04-19 Thread Chris Albertson
What we have with LinuxCNC is "legacy software".The hardware hardly matters.This software was designed before the modern era, before computing power was nearly free, back when you really needed a PC just to make a few motors move. The problem with LinuxCNC is that it requires a special

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on modern hardware

2020-04-19 Thread Bari
The fact is that "this OLD CRAP" works, just like the crappy old "Soviet era technology to send American astronauts to space from Russia". On 4/19/20 8:28 PM, Rafael Skodlar wrote: On 2020-04-19 17:46, Bari wrote: The bottleneck with CNC machines is not Linuxcnc, it's the mechanical hardware

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on modern hardware

2020-04-19 Thread Rafael Skodlar
On 2020-04-19 17:46, Bari wrote: The bottleneck with CNC machines is not Linuxcnc, it's the mechanical hardware and materials. All modern CNC machines may easily be controlled by LinuxCNC on older hardware. What we really need is new tech and materials that are cost effective to use to make

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on modern hardware

2020-04-19 Thread Bari
The bottleneck with CNC machines is not Linuxcnc, it's the mechanical hardware and materials. All modern CNC machines may easily be controlled by LinuxCNC on older hardware. What we really need is new tech and materials that are cost effective to use to make end products and be machine faster

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on modern hardware

2020-04-19 Thread Sync
On 20.04.20 01:10, N wrote: > ? Don't have to, if computer break down I get a new one. Throw away two > broken monitors a while ago and a broken computer a few years ago but mostly > they work fine. Other parts may however be a problem. Correct, a new one is ... new. Which means it uses

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on modern hardware

2020-04-19 Thread Rafael Skodlar
I see this tread circling around the same issue as the one after I posted my comments on this subject matter when I was exploring possible options for new CNC machine. On 2020-04-19 10:12, René Hopf via Emc-users wrote: Hi, For reasons I dont understand, many people prefer to use extremely

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on modern hardware

2020-04-19 Thread John Dammeyer
This problem of old or new hardware isn't unique to LinuxCNC PCs. This small $10 moisture sensor for a Maytag Combo Washer/Dryer has been discontinued. I'm waiting for the epoxy to dry but ultimately if I can't remanufacture it with glue or 3D printing then we're out $1K for a new machine.

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on modern hardware

2020-04-19 Thread N
> On 19.04.20 20:05, N wrote: > > Plenty available cheap and no reason to user newer. > > I cannot order legacy parts through my local parts distributor. ? Don't have to, if computer break down I get a new one. Throw away two broken monitors a while ago and a broken computer a few years ago but

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on modern hardware

2020-04-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 19 April 2020 16:02:32 Ed wrote: > On 4/19/20 2:35 PM, mar...@r-bechtold.de wrote: > > it is impossible to get that old hardware outside of a junkyard. > > Even cheap Hardware from resellers are minimum an I5 5gen for 200$ > > max. > > > > this Machines are working fine with Preempt rt

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on modern hardware

2020-04-19 Thread Ed
On 4/19/20 2:35 PM, mar...@r-bechtold.de wrote: it is impossible to get that old hardware outside of a junkyard. Even cheap Hardware from resellers are minimum an I5 5gen for 200$ max. this Machines are working fine with Preempt rt and latency in the range of 1500-24000ns with no modifications

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on modern hardware

2020-04-19 Thread mar...@r-bechtold.de
For The Pi it is technically impossible to do Realtime. The Pi thinks it dose Realtime but the arm core have no acces to any IO. its all handled by the Vcode and nobody know what the vcode is doing. Markus > Am 19.04.2020 um 21:15 schrieb Bari : > > It tried to run the BBB with LinuxCNC

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on modern hardware

2020-04-19 Thread mar...@r-bechtold.de
it is impossible to get that old hardware outside of a junkyard. Even cheap Hardware from resellers are minimum an I5 5gen for 200$ max. this Machines are working fine with Preempt rt and latency in the range of 1500-24000ns with no modifications i think drop support for Computer Museum

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on modern hardware

2020-04-19 Thread Bari
It tried to run the BBB with LinuxCNC back in 2013 and the video performance was too poor. Frame rate was way too slow. We had better success with a 4-8 core Allwinner SOC and FPGA. I tried the Rpi4 last summer and the 4K video was way too unstable. Plus I need two 4K screens to run the resin

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on modern hardware

2020-04-19 Thread Sync
On 19.04.20 20:05, N wrote: > Plenty available cheap and no reason to user newer. I cannot order legacy parts through my local parts distributor. Lots of reasons to use new hardware, NVMe is one of them. ___ Emc-users mailing list

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on modern hardware

2020-04-19 Thread Dave Matthews
It was free from when we cleaned out the FIL's place. The one before that was in the heap of rubble of retired computers. No reason to buy new to run a router. Dave On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 2:08 PM N wrote: > > > Hi, > > For reasons I dont understand, many people prefer to use extremely legacy

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on modern hardware

2020-04-19 Thread Chris Albertson
As for new hardware, people seem to like to run Machine Kit on the Beagle Bone Black (aka "BBB"). Its a tiny credit card size computer that can run Linux.I think the BBB is actually more powerful than those old PCs and it can run off a phone charger. If you want to run LinxCNC on "modern"

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on modern hardware

2020-04-19 Thread N
> Hi, > For reasons I dont understand, many people prefer to use extremely legacy > hardware to run linuxcnc. Plenty available cheap and no reason to user newer. ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net

[Emc-users] linuxcnc on modern hardware

2020-04-19 Thread René Hopf via Emc-users
Hi, For reasons I dont understand, many people prefer to use extremely legacy hardware to run linuxcnc. the hardware list in the wiki is extremely outdated, and there is no real recommendation on what to buy currently. just for fun I tried to run it on modern hardware, and it worked really well. I