Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge Conquest 42 Conversion

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 08 December 2015 01:31:29 Jon Elson wrote:

> On 12/07/2015 11:02 PM, Jeremy Jones wrote:
> > Thanks everyone. Sarah, thanks for that great link. Not sure how I
> > haven't come across that yet. I'm gonna look into everything.
> > Thinking I might just got this route off the bat. Looking it might
> > be a minimum of $1500 to fix the controls. I think the LCNC
> > electronics will be cheaper..I hope. Want to get it up and running
> > rather quickly as this will be put into service right away.
>
> These look like they have a pretty OLD control.  Unless you
> are really experienced in fixing this kind of gear, it could
> just keep on having (expensive) problems.  They just keep
> getting flakier as they get older.
> Some people are using my Pico Systems gear to run some older
> Hardinge HNC machines.
>
> > Anyone know the possibilty of switching one of these over to single
> > phase during the conversion? I'm guessing the spindle drive is 3
> > phase. Would need to see it to know for sure. Don't have it in hand
> > yet.
>
> You can run most VFDs from single-phase power if you derate
> them. So, for a 5 Hp motor, you'd get a 7.5 or 10 Hp VFD.
> I'm doing this in my shop on a mill and lathe.  (There are a
> few VFDs that will detect the lost phase and won't run.)
> Also, the servo drives may be taking 3 phase power, this
> possibly could be a bigger problem to run  on single phase.
>
> Jon
>
A published list (in the wiki) of those drives that will not run would be 
helpful Jon. With a caveat that its an incomplete list of course.

For instance, I thought I had found a spindle driver in the Empire 
devices treadmill controller, but destroyed 2 of them in less than 6 
months doing rigid tapping with a complex 3 relay braking and reversal 
lashup.  Switching to your servo amp, a full 4 quadrant controller, got 
rid of all that extra stuff.  And the last mod you made I am using in 
the G0704 seems bulletproof, running quite cool.  Highly recommended by 
Grandpa Gene.

That info should also make it into the wiki. One user reports format...

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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge Conquest 42 Conversion

[Jeremy Jones]

I'm getting doubles of every board along with it except the main board of
course. He had a parts machine he stripped before this one. Comes with
extra motors, pumps, etc. Not a bad deal. It's a fanuc ot-ot-b control.
Built in 1992.

I believe the spindle is at least 7.5hp and might be a 10hp. I see
conflicting info online and forgot to confirm when I went to see it. So I
can either fix the main board, need to confirm for sure, and run it with
the old control or upgrade.
On Dec 8, 2015 6:20 AM, "Gene Heskett"  wrote:

> On Tuesday 08 December 2015 01:31:29 Jon Elson wrote:
>
> > On 12/07/2015 11:02 PM, Jeremy Jones wrote:
> > > Thanks everyone. Sarah, thanks for that great link. Not sure how I
> > > haven't come across that yet. I'm gonna look into everything.
> > > Thinking I might just got this route off the bat. Looking it might
> > > be a minimum of $1500 to fix the controls. I think the LCNC
> > > electronics will be cheaper..I hope. Want to get it up and running
> > > rather quickly as this will be put into service right away.
> >
> > These look like they have a pretty OLD control.  Unless you
> > are really experienced in fixing this kind of gear, it could
> > just keep on having (expensive) problems.  They just keep
> > getting flakier as they get older.
> > Some people are using my Pico Systems gear to run some older
> > Hardinge HNC machines.
> >
> > > Anyone know the possibilty of switching one of these over to single
> > > phase during the conversion? I'm guessing the spindle drive is 3
> > > phase. Would need to see it to know for sure. Don't have it in hand
> > > yet.
> >
> > You can run most VFDs from single-phase power if you derate
> > them. So, for a 5 Hp motor, you'd get a 7.5 or 10 Hp VFD.
> > I'm doing this in my shop on a mill and lathe.  (There are a
> > few VFDs that will detect the lost phase and won't run.)
> > Also, the servo drives may be taking 3 phase power, this
> > possibly could be a bigger problem to run  on single phase.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> A published list (in the wiki) of those drives that will not run would be
> helpful Jon. With a caveat that its an incomplete list of course.
>
> For instance, I thought I had found a spindle driver in the Empire
> devices treadmill controller, but destroyed 2 of them in less than 6
> months doing rigid tapping with a complex 3 relay braking and reversal
> lashup.  Switching to your servo amp, a full 4 quadrant controller, got
> rid of all that extra stuff.  And the last mod you made I am using in
> the G0704 seems bulletproof, running quite cool.  Highly recommended by
> Grandpa Gene.
>
> That info should also make it into the wiki. One user reports format...
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge Conquest 42 Conversion

[Jon Elson]

On 12/07/2015 11:02 PM, Jeremy Jones wrote:
> Thanks everyone. Sarah, thanks for that great link. Not sure how I haven't
> come across that yet. I'm gonna look into everything. Thinking I might just
> got this route off the bat. Looking it might be a minimum of $1500 to fix
> the controls. I think the LCNC electronics will be cheaper..I hope. Want to
> get it up and running rather quickly as this will be put into service right
> away.
These look like they have a pretty OLD control.  Unless you 
are really experienced in fixing this kind of gear, it could 
just keep on having (expensive) problems.  They just keep 
getting flakier as they get older.
Some people are using my Pico Systems gear to run some older 
Hardinge HNC machines.
> Anyone know the possibilty of switching one of these over to single phase
> during the conversion? I'm guessing the spindle drive is 3 phase. Would
> need to see it to know for sure. Don't have it in hand yet.
>
>
You can run most VFDs from single-phase power if you derate 
them. So, for a 5 Hp motor, you'd get a 7.5 or 10 Hp VFD.  
I'm doing this in my shop on a mill and lathe.  (There are a 
few VFDs that will detect the lost phase and won't run.)  
Also, the servo drives may be taking 3 phase power, this 
possibly could be a bigger problem to run  on single phase.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge Conquest 42 Conversion

[andy pugh]

On 7 December 2015 at 13:19, Stuart Stevenson  wrote:
>
> The harder and correct answer is 'not until you make it do it'.

Having said that, the sequence required for a lathe is rather simpler
than for a milling machine.

The "carousel" HAL component can do a lot of the work:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/carousel.9.html

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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge Conquest 42 Conversion

[Stuart Stevenson]

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Jeremy Jones  wrote:

>  Does LCNC support ATCs?
>
>
The easy answer is 'yes'.

The harder and correct answer is 'not until you make it do it'.

Take your right forefinger and thumb and pinch your right earlobe. Hold
that for a little while.
Take your left forefinger and thumb and pinch your left earlobe. Hold that
for a little while.
Now, the matter sitting between your hands is the limitations of LinuxCNC.
:)

Have fun
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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge Conquest 42 Conversion

[Jeremy Jones]

Thanks everyone. Sarah, thanks for that great link. Not sure how I haven't
come across that yet. I'm gonna look into everything. Thinking I might just
got this route off the bat. Looking it might be a minimum of $1500 to fix
the controls. I think the LCNC electronics will be cheaper..I hope. Want to
get it up and running rather quickly as this will be put into service right
away.

Anyone know the possibilty of switching one of these over to single phase
during the conversion? I'm guessing the spindle drive is 3 phase. Would
need to see it to know for sure. Don't have it in hand yet.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 8:35 AM, andy pugh  wrote:

> On 7 December 2015 at 13:19, Stuart Stevenson  wrote:
> >
> > The harder and correct answer is 'not until you make it do it'.
>
> Having said that, the sequence required for a lathe is rather simpler
> than for a milling machine.
>
> The "carousel" HAL component can do a lot of the work:
> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/carousel.9.html
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge Conquest 42 Conversion

[Sarah Armstrong]

yes it can handle the turret toolchanger ,

theirs a number of ways using classic ladder , or using a comp


On 6 December 2015 at 20:46, Jeremy Jones  wrote:

> Thanks John. How would one handle the tool changing from a hardware and
> software standpoint since this a 10 tool ATC? Does LCNC support ATCs?
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 9:25 PM, Jon Elson  wrote:
>
> > On 11/12/2015 05:47 PM, Jeremy Jones wrote:
> > > Thinking about picking up a Conquest 42. The machine is supposedly in
> > good
> > > shape but the Fanuc OT control might be shot and the motherboard would
> > need
> > > to replaced. Will try to resurrect but I'm thinking linuxcnc anyway
> > since I
> > > did a Bridgport recently.
> > >
> > > I've seen a lot of CHNC conversions but couldn't find any Conquests.
> > > Wondering if anyone has done one and if its similar to the CHNC's. I
> know
> > > the CHNC II has the same spindle but I unsure of the remaining
> > electronics.
> > > Just trying to get an idea of everything I would need to replace to
> make
> > it
> > > work. It also has a 10 tool turret tool changer and I'm wondering how
> > hard
> > > that would be to get to work with LCNC. Any help is appreciated.
> > >
> > It may have resolvers instead of encoders on the axes.  I
> > (Pico Systems) have a converter that converts the resolvers
> > to look like standard encoders.  Several CHNCs have been
> > converted with my Universal PWM Controller and PWM servo amps.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge Conquest 42 Conversion

[Jeremy Jones]

Thanks John. How would one handle the tool changing from a hardware and
software standpoint since this a 10 tool ATC? Does LCNC support ATCs?

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 9:25 PM, Jon Elson  wrote:

> On 11/12/2015 05:47 PM, Jeremy Jones wrote:
> > Thinking about picking up a Conquest 42. The machine is supposedly in
> good
> > shape but the Fanuc OT control might be shot and the motherboard would
> need
> > to replaced. Will try to resurrect but I'm thinking linuxcnc anyway
> since I
> > did a Bridgport recently.
> >
> > I've seen a lot of CHNC conversions but couldn't find any Conquests.
> > Wondering if anyone has done one and if its similar to the CHNC's. I know
> > the CHNC II has the same spindle but I unsure of the remaining
> electronics.
> > Just trying to get an idea of everything I would need to replace to make
> it
> > work. It also has a 10 tool turret tool changer and I'm wondering how
> hard
> > that would be to get to work with LCNC. Any help is appreciated.
> >
> It may have resolvers instead of encoders on the axes.  I
> (Pico Systems) have a converter that converts the resolvers
> to look like standard encoders.  Several CHNCs have been
> converted with my Universal PWM Controller and PWM servo amps.
>
> Jon
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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge Conquest 42 Conversion

[andy pugh]

On 6 December 2015 at 20:46, Jeremy Jones  wrote:
>  Does LCNC support ATCs?

To an extent.

The problem is that all ATCs are a little different, so there is no
one-size-fits-all option that you can simply turn on in LinuxCNC.

However, everything that is required to control a toolchanger is
available in LinuxCNC, and there are many toolchangers out there
working with LinuxCNC. But some configuration work will be required.

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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge Conquest 42 Conversion

[Sarah Armstrong]

http://gnipsel.com/shop/hardinge/hardinge.xhtml

sorry forgot the link , that will get you close

On 6 December 2015 at 20:51, Sarah Armstrong 
wrote:

> yes it can handle the turret toolchanger ,
>
> theirs a number of ways using classic ladder , or using a comp
>
>
> On 6 December 2015 at 20:46, Jeremy Jones  wrote:
>
>> Thanks John. How would one handle the tool changing from a hardware and
>> software standpoint since this a 10 tool ATC? Does LCNC support ATCs?
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 9:25 PM, Jon Elson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On 11/12/2015 05:47 PM, Jeremy Jones wrote:
>> > > Thinking about picking up a Conquest 42. The machine is supposedly in
>> > good
>> > > shape but the Fanuc OT control might be shot and the motherboard would
>> > need
>> > > to replaced. Will try to resurrect but I'm thinking linuxcnc anyway
>> > since I
>> > > did a Bridgport recently.
>> > >
>> > > I've seen a lot of CHNC conversions but couldn't find any Conquests.
>> > > Wondering if anyone has done one and if its similar to the CHNC's. I
>> know
>> > > the CHNC II has the same spindle but I unsure of the remaining
>> > electronics.
>> > > Just trying to get an idea of everything I would need to replace to
>> make
>> > it
>> > > work. It also has a 10 tool turret tool changer and I'm wondering how
>> > hard
>> > > that would be to get to work with LCNC. Any help is appreciated.
>> > >
>> > It may have resolvers instead of encoders on the axes.  I
>> > (Pico Systems) have a converter that converts the resolvers
>> > to look like standard encoders.  Several CHNCs have been
>> > converted with my Universal PWM Controller and PWM servo amps.
>> >
>> > Jon
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge Conquest 42 Conversion

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 06 December 2015 15:46:30 Jeremy Jones wrote:

> Thanks John. How would one handle the tool changing from a hardware
> and software standpoint since this a 10 tool ATC? Does LCNC support
> ATCs?
>
Yes it does.  But you'll have to enable it, perhaps by writing some of 
the code.  There is an example or 2 in the wiki, at  wiki.linuxcnc.org.
search for tool changer at the bottom on most any page.

If those don't fit your tool changer, they might serve as a model to 
guide one in writing your own.  I got all gung-ho here about a month 
back and was going to make one for my G0704, but it turns out that it 
would need a wheel to transfer arm built because there is not enough 
room under the spindle to bring the whole wheel in as the spindle hits 
tools in the adjacent pockets.  So that project got moved to the back 
burner & the fire turned off till my present project is done.

A tool changer will likely require a second interface and BoB to drive 
it, something I already had as I drive it with a Mesa 5i25 which has 2 
parports on it.

> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 9:25 PM, Jon Elson  
wrote:
> > On 11/12/2015 05:47 PM, Jeremy Jones wrote:
> > > Thinking about picking up a Conquest 42. The machine is supposedly
> > > in
> >
> > good
> >
> > > shape but the Fanuc OT control might be shot and the motherboard
> > > would
> >
> > need
> >
> > > to replaced. Will try to resurrect but I'm thinking linuxcnc
> > > anyway
> >
> > since I
> >
> > > did a Bridgport recently.
> > >
> > > I've seen a lot of CHNC conversions but couldn't find any
> > > Conquests. Wondering if anyone has done one and if its similar to
> > > the CHNC's. I know the CHNC II has the same spindle but I unsure
> > > of the remaining
> >
> > electronics.
> >
> > > Just trying to get an idea of everything I would need to replace
> > > to make
> >
> > it
> >
> > > work. It also has a 10 tool turret tool changer and I'm wondering
> > > how
> >
> > hard
> >
> > > that would be to get to work with LCNC. Any help is appreciated.
> >
> > It may have resolvers instead of encoders on the axes.  I
> > (Pico Systems) have a converter that converts the resolvers
> > to look like standard encoders.  Several CHNCs have been
> > converted with my Universal PWM Controller and PWM servo amps.
> >
> > Jon
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Re: [Emc-users] Hardinge Conquest 42 Conversion

[Jon Elson]

On 11/12/2015 05:47 PM, Jeremy Jones wrote:
> Thinking about picking up a Conquest 42. The machine is supposedly in good
> shape but the Fanuc OT control might be shot and the motherboard would need
> to replaced. Will try to resurrect but I'm thinking linuxcnc anyway since I
> did a Bridgport recently.
>
> I've seen a lot of CHNC conversions but couldn't find any Conquests.
> Wondering if anyone has done one and if its similar to the CHNC's. I know
> the CHNC II has the same spindle but I unsure of the remaining electronics.
> Just trying to get an idea of everything I would need to replace to make it
> work. It also has a 10 tool turret tool changer and I'm wondering how hard
> that would be to get to work with LCNC. Any help is appreciated.
>
It may have resolvers instead of encoders on the axes.  I 
(Pico Systems) have a converter that converts the resolvers 
to look like standard encoders.  Several CHNCs have been 
converted with my Universal PWM Controller and PWM servo amps.

Jon

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[Emc-users] Hardinge Conquest 42 Conversion

[Jeremy Jones]

Thinking about picking up a Conquest 42. The machine is supposedly in good
shape but the Fanuc OT control might be shot and the motherboard would need
to replaced. Will try to resurrect but I'm thinking linuxcnc anyway since I
did a Bridgport recently.

I've seen a lot of CHNC conversions but couldn't find any Conquests.
Wondering if anyone has done one and if its similar to the CHNC's. I know
the CHNC II has the same spindle but I unsure of the remaining electronics.
Just trying to get an idea of everything I would need to replace to make it
work. It also has a 10 tool turret tool changer and I'm wondering how hard
that would be to get to work with LCNC. Any help is appreciated.
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