Re: [Emc-users] MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73

2016-02-09 Thread tom-emc 
Rick, 
I may be able to help you out fixing your mpg.  I am just up the road from you 
in Ann Arbor.  I sent you a message a couple days ago but it may have gone into 
your spam mailbox.
-Tom

> On Feb 7, 2016, at 9:55 AM, r...@superiorroll.com wrote:
> 
> We do need the whole pendant, I found these same ones on eBay, with a 2-3 
> week delivery. The ones we normally buy are 3-4 weeks, and cost $150 plus 
> shipping. 
> 
> We broke the stems off of the selector switches on one of the pendants on one 
> of our turning centers, so I stole the unit off of our machining center 
> temporarily. 
> 
> The selectors are pcb mounted, and I'm not near talented enough to unsolder 
> the 13 little pins out of the sockets, and solder the new ones back in. 
> 
> Rick 
> 
> 
> 
> ---- Original Message ----
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73
> From: "John Thornton" <j...@gnipsel.com>
> Date: Sun, February 7, 2016 7:45 am
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
> 
> Do you just need the MPG or a pendant? I thought AliExpress was for when 
> you didn't need something in a hurry...
> 
> JT
> 
> On 2/7/2016 6:28 AM, r...@superiorroll.com wrote:
>> Just wondering if anyone has had a chance to look at this, all the units we 
>> already have in service have a "Line Driver" type output, this says "TTL", 
>> but they are out of stock of the ones we use, and I need one pretty quickly,
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> 
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73
>> From: "Rick Lair" <r...@superiorroll.com>
>> Date: Tue, February 2, 2016 2:01 pm
>> To: "Emc Users" <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
>> 
>> This is mainly directed at PCW, but after looking at this,
>> 
>>   
>> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/CNC-Pulse-Generator-4-Axis-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Emergency-Stop-for-Siemens-FAGOR-GSK/2009058806.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.1.ZvKjv2_ab_test=searchweb201556_6,searchweb201644_2_505_506_503_504_502_10014_10001_10002_10016_10005_10006_10003_10004,searchweb201560_2,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6449=3161ee1c-584a-403d-94ec-f8a52a7c24f0
>> 
>> 
>> Will this be an acceptable handwheel to use with a 7i73?
>> 
>> It says
>>  - Required 5V+, 150mA, power for MPG
>>  - Phase output is A ,/A and B,/B;
>>  - TTL output, drive capability +-20mA;
>> 
>> Not sure about the "TTL" part 
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73

2016-02-07 Thread John Thornton 
Do you just need the MPG or a pendant? I thought AliExpress was for when 
you didn't need something in a hurry...

JT

On 2/7/2016 6:28 AM, r...@superiorroll.com wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone has had a chance to look at this, all the units we 
> already have in service have a "Line Driver" type output, this says "TTL", 
> but they are out of stock of the ones we use, and I need one pretty quickly,
>
> Thanks
>
> Rick
>
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73
> From: "Rick Lair" 
> Date: Tue, February 2, 2016 2:01 pm
> To: "Emc Users" 
>
> This is mainly directed at PCW, but after looking at this,
>
>
> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/CNC-Pulse-Generator-4-Axis-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Emergency-Stop-for-Siemens-FAGOR-GSK/2009058806.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.1.ZvKjv2_ab_test=searchweb201556_6,searchweb201644_2_505_506_503_504_502_10014_10001_10002_10016_10005_10006_10003_10004,searchweb201560_2,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6449=3161ee1c-584a-403d-94ec-f8a52a7c24f0
>
>
> Will this be an acceptable handwheel to use with a 7i73?
>
> It says
>   - Required 5V+, 150mA, power for MPG
>   - Phase output is A ,/A and B,/B;
>   - TTL output, drive capability +-20mA;
>
> Not sure about the "TTL" part 
>
>


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Re: [Emc-users] MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73

2016-02-07 Thread John Thornton 
http://www.amazon.com/Rotary-Manual-Generator-Handwheel-100PPR/dp/B00ZO6UNFM/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8=1454849140=8-7=pulse+generator+cnc

On 2/7/2016 6:28 AM, r...@superiorroll.com wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone has had a chance to look at this, all the units we 
> already have in service have a "Line Driver" type output, this says "TTL", 
> but they are out of stock of the ones we use, and I need one pretty quickly,
>
> Thanks
>
> Rick
>
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73
> From: "Rick Lair" 
> Date: Tue, February 2, 2016 2:01 pm
> To: "Emc Users" 
>
> This is mainly directed at PCW, but after looking at this,
>
>
> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/CNC-Pulse-Generator-4-Axis-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Emergency-Stop-for-Siemens-FAGOR-GSK/2009058806.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.1.ZvKjv2_ab_test=searchweb201556_6,searchweb201644_2_505_506_503_504_502_10014_10001_10002_10016_10005_10006_10003_10004,searchweb201560_2,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6449=3161ee1c-584a-403d-94ec-f8a52a7c24f0
>
>
> Will this be an acceptable handwheel to use with a 7i73?
>
> It says
>   - Required 5V+, 150mA, power for MPG
>   - Phase output is A ,/A and B,/B;
>   - TTL output, drive capability +-20mA;
>
> Not sure about the "TTL" part 
>
>


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Re: [Emc-users] MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73

2016-02-07 Thread rick 
We do need the whole pendant, I found these same ones on eBay, with a 2-3 week 
delivery. The ones we normally buy are 3-4 weeks, and cost $150 plus shipping. 

We broke the stems off of the selector switches on one of the pendants on one 
of our turning centers, so I stole the unit off of our machining center 
temporarily. 

The selectors are pcb mounted, and I'm not near talented enough to unsolder the 
13 little pins out of the sockets, and solder the new ones back in. 

Rick 



 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73
From: "John Thornton" <j...@gnipsel.com>
Date: Sun, February 7, 2016 7:45 am
To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>

Do you just need the MPG or a pendant? I thought AliExpress was for when 
you didn't need something in a hurry...

JT

On 2/7/2016 6:28 AM, r...@superiorroll.com wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone has had a chance to look at this, all the units we 
> already have in service have a "Line Driver" type output, this says "TTL", 
> but they are out of stock of the ones we use, and I need one pretty quickly,
>
> Thanks
>
> Rick
>
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73
> From: "Rick Lair" <r...@superiorroll.com>
> Date: Tue, February 2, 2016 2:01 pm
> To: "Emc Users" <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
>
> This is mainly directed at PCW, but after looking at this,
>
>
> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/CNC-Pulse-Generator-4-Axis-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Emergency-Stop-for-Siemens-FAGOR-GSK/2009058806.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.1.ZvKjv2_ab_test=searchweb201556_6,searchweb201644_2_505_506_503_504_502_10014_10001_10002_10016_10005_10006_10003_10004,searchweb201560_2,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6449=3161ee1c-584a-403d-94ec-f8a52a7c24f0
>
>
> Will this be an acceptable handwheel to use with a 7i73?
>
> It says
>   - Required 5V+, 150mA, power for MPG
>   - Phase output is A ,/A and B,/B;
>   - TTL output, drive capability +-20mA;
>
> Not sure about the "TTL" part 
>
>


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Re: [Emc-users] MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73

2016-02-07 Thread rick 
Just wondering if anyone has had a chance to look at this, all the units we 
already have in service have a "Line Driver" type output, this says "TTL", but 
they are out of stock of the ones we use, and I need one pretty quickly,  

Thanks 

Rick 


 Original Message 
Subject: MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73
From: "Rick Lair" 
Date: Tue, February 2, 2016 2:01 pm
To: "Emc Users" 

This is mainly directed at PCW, but after looking at this,

  
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/CNC-Pulse-Generator-4-Axis-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Emergency-Stop-for-Siemens-FAGOR-GSK/2009058806.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.1.ZvKjv2_ab_test=searchweb201556_6,searchweb201644_2_505_506_503_504_502_10014_10001_10002_10016_10005_10006_10003_10004,searchweb201560_2,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6449=3161ee1c-584a-403d-94ec-f8a52a7c24f0


Will this be an acceptable handwheel to use with a 7i73?

It says
 - Required 5V+, 150mA, power for MPG
 - Phase output is A ,/A and B,/B;
 - TTL output, drive capability +-20mA;

Not sure about the "TTL" part 


-- 

Thanks


Rick Lair
Superior Roll & Turning LLC
399 East Center Street
Petersburg MI, 49270
PH: 734-279-1831
FAX: 734-279-1166
www.superiorroll.com



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Re: [Emc-users] MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73

2016-02-07 Thread TJoseph Powderly 
fwiw you could hre some needy nerd to do it for you
then you'd have a needy nerd resource for next problem
tomp
( im in thailand where everybody works even if its really dumb and redundant
like ticket takers ticket checkers ticket passer-backers and secondary 
ticket checkers :-)

On 02/07/2016 10:55 PM, r...@superiorroll.com wrote:
> We do need the whole pendant, I found these same ones on eBay, with a 2-3 
> week delivery. The ones we normally buy are 3-4 weeks, and cost $150 plus 
> shipping.
>
> We broke the stems off of the selector switches on one of the pendants on one 
> of our turning centers, so I stole the unit off of our machining center 
> temporarily.
>
> The selectors are pcb mounted, and I'm not near talented enough to unsolder 
> the 13 little pins out of the sockets, and solder the new ones back in.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message ----
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73
> From: "John Thornton" <j...@gnipsel.com>
> Date: Sun, February 7, 2016 7:45 am
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
>
> Do you just need the MPG or a pendant? I thought AliExpress was for when
> you didn't need something in a hurry...
>
> JT
>
> On 2/7/2016 6:28 AM, r...@superiorroll.com wrote:
>> Just wondering if anyone has had a chance to look at this, all the units we 
>> already have in service have a "Line Driver" type output, this says "TTL", 
>> but they are out of stock of the ones we use, and I need one pretty quickly,
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73
>> From: "Rick Lair" <r...@superiorroll.com>
>> Date: Tue, February 2, 2016 2:01 pm
>> To: "Emc Users" <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>
>> This is mainly directed at PCW, but after looking at this,
>>
>> 
>> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/CNC-Pulse-Generator-4-Axis-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Emergency-Stop-for-Siemens-FAGOR-GSK/2009058806.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.1.ZvKjv2_ab_test=searchweb201556_6,searchweb201644_2_505_506_503_504_502_10014_10001_10002_10016_10005_10006_10003_10004,searchweb201560_2,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6449=3161ee1c-584a-403d-94ec-f8a52a7c24f0
>>
>>
>> Will this be an acceptable handwheel to use with a 7i73?
>>
>> It says
>>- Required 5V+, 150mA, power for MPG
>>- Phase output is A ,/A and B,/B;
>>- TTL output, drive capability +-20mA;
>>
>> Not sure about the "TTL" part 
>>
>>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73

2016-02-07 Thread Gene Heskett 
On Sunday 07 February 2016 09:55:17 r...@superiorroll.com wrote:

> We do need the whole pendant, I found these same ones on eBay, with a
> 2-3 week delivery. The ones we normally buy are 3-4 weeks, and cost
> $150 plus shipping.
>
> We broke the stems off of the selector switches on one of the pendants
> on one of our turning centers, so I stole the unit off of our
> machining center temporarily.
>
> The selectors are pcb mounted, and I'm not near talented enough to
> unsolder the 13 little pins out of the sockets, and solder the new
> ones back in.
>
> Rick

Surely there is someone local to you that does do soldering?

Some do have the "knack" and some don't.

I spent 6 months trying to teach a boy/man who wanted to be my assistant 
how to solder back in the late '80's, something I've been doing in my 
sleep for about 70 years now, and failed miserably having to go back 
over everything myself.  But he is smart & creative, so he has been our 
commercial production manager/editor for the last 20 years.  Might lose 
him though, he's thrown his hat in the ring & running for County 
Assessor this time around.

I'd offer, but my hands are beginning to get a bit shaky now.
>
> ---- Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73
> From: "John Thornton" <j...@gnipsel.com>
> Date: Sun, February 7, 2016 7:45 am
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
>
> Do you just need the MPG or a pendant? I thought AliExpress was for
> when you didn't need something in a hurry...
>
> JT
>
> On 2/7/2016 6:28 AM, r...@superiorroll.com wrote:
> > Just wondering if anyone has had a chance to look at this, all the
> > units we already have in service have a "Line Driver" type output,
> > this says "TTL", but they are out of stock of the ones we use, and I
> > need one pretty quickly,
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73
> > From: "Rick Lair" <r...@superiorroll.com>
> > Date: Tue, February 2, 2016 2:01 pm
> > To: "Emc Users" <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
> >
> > This is mainly directed at PCW, but after looking at this,
> >
> >   
> > http://www.aliexpress.com/item/CNC-Pulse-Generator-4-Axis-MPG-Pendan
> >t-Handwheel-Emergency-Stop-for-Siemens-FAGOR-GSK/2009058806.html?spm=
> >2114.01010208.3.1.ZvKjv2_ab_test=searchweb201556_6,searchweb201644
> >_2_505_506_503_504_502_10014_10001_10002_10016_10005_10006_10003_1000
> >4,searchweb201560_2,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6449
> >tsid=3161ee1c-584a-403d-94ec-f8a52a7c24f0
> >
> >
> > Will this be an acceptable handwheel to use with a 7i73?
> >
> > It says
> >   - Required 5V+, 150mA, power for MPG
> >   - Phase output is A ,/A and B,/B;
> >   - TTL output, drive capability +-20mA;
> >
> > Not sure about the "TTL" part 
>
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Re: [Emc-users] MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73

2016-02-07 Thread Dave Cole 
A lot of vendors twist verbiage about what is what.
If it is TTL then it should be singled ended - ala - the voltage output 
will vary between something less than .7 volts as a low value and 
something above 3.7 volts as a high level.
The A not will simply be the inversion of the A signal, but the signal 
will still vary between something less than .7 volts and something above 
3.7 volts.
A line driver (typically described by the line driver chip that is 
emulates) is usually a bipolar signal at the output and the receiver is 
a differential amplifier.   The combo is much more noise
immune than a single ended TTL type encoder output which can easily be 
corrupted by common mode noise.The two (line driver and ttl ) are 
generally not compatible.   However there are chips that you can buy 
that will convert a TTL single ended signal to a line driver output and 
visa versa.

Dave



On 2/7/2016 9:55 AM, r...@superiorroll.com wrote:
> We do need the whole pendant, I found these same ones on eBay, with a 2-3 
> week delivery. The ones we normally buy are 3-4 weeks, and cost $150 plus 
> shipping.
>
> We broke the stems off of the selector switches on one of the pendants on one 
> of our turning centers, so I stole the unit off of our machining center 
> temporarily.
>
> The selectors are pcb mounted, and I'm not near talented enough to unsolder 
> the 13 little pins out of the sockets, and solder the new ones back in.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message ----
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73
> From: "John Thornton" <j...@gnipsel.com>
> Date: Sun, February 7, 2016 7:45 am
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
>
> Do you just need the MPG or a pendant? I thought AliExpress was for when
> you didn't need something in a hurry...
>
> JT
>
> On 2/7/2016 6:28 AM, r...@superiorroll.com wrote:
>> Just wondering if anyone has had a chance to look at this, all the units we 
>> already have in service have a "Line Driver" type output, this says "TTL", 
>> but they are out of stock of the ones we use, and I need one pretty quickly,
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73
>> From: "Rick Lair" <r...@superiorroll.com>
>> Date: Tue, February 2, 2016 2:01 pm
>> To: "Emc Users" <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>
>> This is mainly directed at PCW, but after looking at this,
>>
>> 
>> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/CNC-Pulse-Generator-4-Axis-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Emergency-Stop-for-Siemens-FAGOR-GSK/2009058806.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.1.ZvKjv2_ab_test=searchweb201556_6,searchweb201644_2_505_506_503_504_502_10014_10001_10002_10016_10005_10006_10003_10004,searchweb201560_2,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6449=3161ee1c-584a-403d-94ec-f8a52a7c24f0
>>
>>
>> Will this be an acceptable handwheel to use with a 7i73?
>>
>> It says
>>- Required 5V+, 150mA, power for MPG
>>- Phase output is A ,/A and B,/B;
>>- TTL output, drive capability +-20mA;
>>
>> Not sure about the "TTL" part 
>>
>>
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[Emc-users] MPG Handwheel for use with 7i73

2016-02-02 Thread Rick Lair 
This is mainly directed at PCW, but after looking at this,

  
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/CNC-Pulse-Generator-4-Axis-MPG-Pendant-Handwheel-Emergency-Stop-for-Siemens-FAGOR-GSK/2009058806.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.1.ZvKjv2_ab_test=searchweb201556_6,searchweb201644_2_505_506_503_504_502_10014_10001_10002_10016_10005_10006_10003_10004,searchweb201560_2,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6449=3161ee1c-584a-403d-94ec-f8a52a7c24f0


Will this be an acceptable handwheel to use with a 7i73?

It says
 - Required 5V+, 150mA, power for MPG
 - Phase output is A ,/A and B,/B;
 - TTL output, drive capability +-20mA;

Not sure about the "TTL" part 


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