Re: [Emc-users] Freenode Shenagins

[Valerio Bellizzomi]

On Sat, 2021-05-22 at 15:48 +0200, Jérémie Tarot wrote:
> Le sam. 22 mai 2021 à 15:07, Valerio Bellizzomi 
> a
> écrit :
> 
> > On Sat, 2021-05-22 at 12:49 +0200, Jérémie Tarot wrote:
> > > For as much as I genuinely appreciate your offer, I believe it'd
> > > be
> > > better
> > > to migrate lcnc irc channel on a community managed network.
> > 
> > To which community do you refer?
> > 
> > AFAIK I am quite silent but part of the LinuxCNC community :-)
> > 
> 
> You surely are mate!
> Sorry if my badly chosen words suggested anything else 
> 
> I just meant that a single admin infrastructure may not be the safer
> choice
> for our growing community...
> 
> Nevertheless, I'd surely welcome lcnc having it's own irc, discord
> and
> matrix servers with built-in bridges... If a community manager can
> gather
> at least a pair of admins around her to keep the engines running.
> 
> Anyway, thanks again


can I set up a link between my server and the official IRC server ?





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Re: [Emc-users] Freenode Shenagins

[Jérémie Tarot]

Le sam. 22 mai 2021 à 15:07, Valerio Bellizzomi  a
écrit :

> On Sat, 2021-05-22 at 12:49 +0200, Jérémie Tarot wrote:
> >
> > For as much as I genuinely appreciate your offer, I believe it'd be
> > better
> > to migrate lcnc irc channel on a community managed network.
>
>
> To which community do you refer?
>
> AFAIK I am quite silent but part of the LinuxCNC community :-)
>


You surely are mate!
Sorry if my badly chosen words suggested anything else 

I just meant that a single admin infrastructure may not be the safer choice
for our growing community...

Nevertheless, I'd surely welcome lcnc having it's own irc, discord and
matrix servers with built-in bridges... If a community manager can gather
at least a pair of admins around her to keep the engines running.

Anyway, thanks again

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Re: [Emc-users] Freenode Shenagins

[Valerio Bellizzomi]

On Sat, 2021-05-22 at 12:49 +0200, Jérémie Tarot wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Le sam. 22 mai 2021 à 09:28, Valerio Bellizzomi 
> a
> écrit :
> 
> > On Thu, 2021-05-20 at 15:12 +0100, andy pugh wrote:
> > > More on this:
> > > 
> > https://hackaday.com/2021/05/20/freenode-debacle-prompts-staff-exodus-new-network/
> > 
> > I want you all to know the following:
> > 
> > 1) There is none communication platform that can beat the good old
> > IRC.
> > 
> 
> Discord and Matrix are serious, quality NKOTB.
> 
> I have my own IRC server, it is online since 2016 but I never
> > advertised it so it is quite unused. For the LinuxCNC community, I
> > can
> > set up as many channels as you want, for free and without logins. I
> > would do this on a voluntary basis, thus without any warranty that
> > access is available 24/7 but in 5 years it has always been online.
> 
> For as much as I genuinely appreciate your offer, I believe it'd be
> better
> to migrate lcnc irc channel on a community managed network.


To which community do you refer?

AFAIK I am quite silent but part of the LinuxCNC community :-)




> Thanks _a_lot_
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Re: [Emc-users] Freenode Shenagins

[Valerio Bellizzomi]

On Sat, 2021-05-22 at 10:09 +0100, andy pugh wrote:
> On Sat, 22 May 2021 at 08:28, Valerio Bellizzomi 
> wrote:
> 
> > 4) Please contact me privately if you want to set up channels.
> 
> I don't know if there is anyone who thinks that they have the
> authority to move the channel to a different server. But thanks for
> the offer.
> 
> (And I think that we already have to many support channels, with our
> forums, Discord, the area on CNCzone, that new one that I have
> already
> forgotten the name of...)

just noticed that at CNCzone they use the same software I use for my
forum: vBulletin.





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Re: [Emc-users] Freenode Shenagins

[Jérémie Tarot]

Hi Andy,

Le sam. 22 mai 2021 à 11:12, andy pugh  a écrit :

>
> (And I think that we already have to many support channels, with our
> forums, Discord, the area on CNCzone, that new one that I have already
> forgotten the name of...)
>


Won't talk about forums as they're a different matter imho. Nevertheless,
having our own plus sections on huge platforms like cnczone, that russian
brother I can't remember the name of, and a couple of other ones doesn't
seem that bad of a spreading.


About chat rooms, I believe lcnc irc official channels should migrate over
at Libera, grabbing the opportunity to take over management of these with
identified peoples.

Then creation or assimilation of existing lcnc channels on other platforms
should be discussed and devised.

Finally, bridging should be setup between these networks channels to build
an integrated, unified community. Availability of proper two way bridging
between networks could be a criteria of official presence on one or the
other.

With the momentum lcnc seam to be slowly but surely gaining, community
management could become a more and more heavy question... And potential
burden 


Ty

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Re: [Emc-users] Freenode Shenagins

[Jérémie Tarot]

Hi,

Le sam. 22 mai 2021 à 09:28, Valerio Bellizzomi  a
écrit :

> On Thu, 2021-05-20 at 15:12 +0100, andy pugh wrote:
> > More on this:
> >
> https://hackaday.com/2021/05/20/freenode-debacle-prompts-staff-exodus-new-network/
> >
>
> I want you all to know the following:
>
> 1) There is none communication platform that can beat the good old IRC.
>

Discord and Matrix are serious, quality NKOTB.

I have my own IRC server, it is online since 2016 but I never
> advertised it so it is quite unused. For the LinuxCNC community, I can
> set up as many channels as you want, for free and without logins. I
> would do this on a voluntary basis, thus without any warranty that
> access is available 24/7 but in 5 years it has always been online.


For as much as I genuinely appreciate your offer, I believe it'd be better
to migrate lcnc irc channel on a community managed network.

Thanks _a_lot_

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Re: [Emc-users] Freenode Shenagins

[andy pugh]

On Sat, 22 May 2021 at 08:28, Valerio Bellizzomi  wrote:

> 4) Please contact me privately if you want to set up channels.

I don't know if there is anyone who thinks that they have the
authority to move the channel to a different server. But thanks for
the offer.

(And I think that we already have to many support channels, with our
forums, Discord, the area on CNCzone, that new one that I have already
forgotten the name of...)

-- 
atp
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designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
lunatics."
— George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912


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Re: [Emc-users] Freenode Shenagins

[Valerio Bellizzomi]

On Thu, 2021-05-20 at 15:12 +0100, andy pugh wrote:
> More on this:
> https://hackaday.com/2021/05/20/freenode-debacle-prompts-staff-exodus-new-network/
> 


I want you all to know the following:

1) There is none communication platform that can beat the good old IRC.
I have my own IRC server, it is online since 2016 but I never
advertised it so it is quite unused. For the LinuxCNC community, I can
set up as many channels as you want, for free and without logins. I
would do this on a voluntary basis, thus without any warranty that
access is available 24/7 but in 5 years it has always been online.

2) To access the server you need to enable SSL, there isn't plain
access, only SSL access.

3) The address of the server is: selroc.systems

4) Please contact me privately if you want to set up channels.

5) If someone can help me setting up services, that is help with
configuring ANOPE, you are welcome and I would appreciate help.


Regards.




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Re: [Emc-users] Freenode Shenagins

[andy pugh]

More on this:
https://hackaday.com/2021/05/20/freenode-debacle-prompts-staff-exodus-new-network/

-- 
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designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
lunatics."
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Re: [Emc-users] Freenode Shenagins

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 20 May 2021 05:58:04 andy pugh wrote:

> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 05:20, Gene Heskett  
wrote:
> > This does not bode well for freenode. But in 20 some years, I have
> > accessed freenode maybe as many times as I've fingers. The login has
> > more pitfalls than the vietnamese jungle in the 70's. Forums are an
> > even bigger PITA, you change browsers and/or forget the pw and it
> > won't even email you a one time pad number
>
> ??
>
> Freenode is the host of the IRC chat. I don't know why you would need
> a login, and didn't even know that they had forums.

That wasn't what I was trying to say, Andy. Freenode is an irc server and 
we all know it. And it works IF you can find an acceptable alias name. 
But it seems all the names I want use are already taken (by me) so I 
have been denied. Many times.

Forums, another breed of com utility, but if you forget your password, 
you are denied the ability to create a new account because you are 
already known. And because you are known your can request a passwd 
change token that never arrives. Wash rinse and repeat, till you give 
up. So once again you're blocked from posting. If you are known, then by 
God fix the passwd recovery so it works. It really is that simple.

I've had a fixed ipv4 address for into the second decade now, and in this 
case it is not an advantage. And I have one email address, also 
unchanged in over a decade.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] Freenode Shenagins

[Valerio Bellizzomi]

On Thu, 2021-05-20 at 10:58 +0100, andy pugh wrote:
> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 05:20, Gene Heskett 
> wrote:
> 
> > This does not bode well for freenode. But in 20 some years, I have
> > accessed freenode maybe as many times as I've fingers. The login
> > has
> > more pitfalls than the vietnamese jungle in the 70's. Forums are an
> > even
> > bigger PITA, you change browsers and/or forget the pw and it won't
> > even
> > email you a one time pad number
> 
> ??
> 
> Freenode is the host of the IRC chat. I don't know why you would need
> a login, and didn't even know that they had forums.
> 


After a breach or spamming attack they have set up logins for
registered users.






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Re: [Emc-users] Freenode Shenagins

[andy pugh]

On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 05:20, Gene Heskett  wrote:

> This does not bode well for freenode. But in 20 some years, I have
> accessed freenode maybe as many times as I've fingers. The login has
> more pitfalls than the vietnamese jungle in the 70's. Forums are an even
> bigger PITA, you change browsers and/or forget the pw and it won't even
> email you a one time pad number

??

Freenode is the host of the IRC chat. I don't know why you would need
a login, and didn't even know that they had forums.

-- 
atp
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designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
lunatics."
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Re: [Emc-users] Freenode Shenagins

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 19 May 2021 23:49:41 Feral Engineer wrote:

> We need to get with the times and have a tiktok that clickbaits to our
> onlyfans...
>
> I kid...

I certainly hope so Phil, thats just one of many sites I wouldn't hit 
with your machine. You can get bugs they've no longer got an antibiotic 
for.

This does not bode well for freenode. But in 20 some years, I have 
accessed freenode maybe as many times as I've fingers. The login has 
more pitfalls than the vietnamese jungle in the 70's. Forums are an even 
bigger PITA, you change browsers and/or forget the pw and it won't even 
email you a one time pad number because your src ip is already known. 
Screw em and the camel that rode in on them. With an email list, it Just 
Works.

> Phil T.
> The Feral Engineer
>
> Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:00 PM Stuart Stevenson  
wrote:
> > Andy,
> > Heh, maybe there is a need for an app to merge all the connections
> > in real time so everyone can communicate!
> > Stuart
> >
> > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 7:53 PM andy pugh  wrote:
> > > On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 01:32, Bari  wrote:
> > > > So at least four spots for chat. The Matrix, Discord, freenode
> > > > and
> > >
> > > liberia.
> > >
> > > > Plus the forums and the two mail lists.
> > >
> > > it is clearly imperative that we add an Instagram and a Gopher
> > > server.
> > >
> > > --
> > > atp
> > > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
> > > designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils
> > > and lunatics."
> > > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912
> > >
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Re: [Emc-users] Freenode Shenagins

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We need to get with the times and have a tiktok that clickbaits to our
onlyfans...

I kid...

Phil T.
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Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer

On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:00 PM Stuart Stevenson  wrote:

> Andy,
> Heh, maybe there is a need for an app to merge all the connections in real
> time so everyone can communicate!
> Stuart
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 7:53 PM andy pugh  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 01:32, Bari  wrote:
> > >
> > > So at least four spots for chat. The Matrix, Discord, freenode and
> > liberia.
> > >
> > > Plus the forums and the two mail lists.
> >
> > it is clearly imperative that we add an Instagram and a Gopher server.
> >
> > --
> > atp
> > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
> > designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
> > lunatics."
> > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912
> >
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Re: [Emc-users] Freenode Shenagins

[Stuart Stevenson]

Andy,
Heh, maybe there is a need for an app to merge all the connections in real
time so everyone can communicate!
Stuart

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 7:53 PM andy pugh  wrote:

> On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 01:32, Bari  wrote:
> >
> > So at least four spots for chat. The Matrix, Discord, freenode and
> liberia.
> >
> > Plus the forums and the two mail lists.
>
> it is clearly imperative that we add an Instagram and a Gopher server.
>
> --
> atp
> "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
> designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
> lunatics."
> — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912
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Re: [Emc-users] Freenode Shenagins

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On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 01:32, Bari  wrote:
>
> So at least four spots for chat. The Matrix, Discord, freenode and liberia.
>
> Plus the forums and the two mail lists.

it is clearly imperative that we add an Instagram and a Gopher server.

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Re: [Emc-users] Freenode Shenagins

[Bari]

So at least four spots for chat. The Matrix, Discord, freenode and liberia.

Plus the forums and the two mail lists.

On 5/19/21 7:17 PM, Eric Keller wrote:

There is a linuxcnc chat on libera
#linuxcnc




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Re: [Emc-users] Freenode Shenagins

[Nathan Hartman]

Various projects are moving their IRC channels to Libera.chat:

https://libera.chat/news/welcome-to-libera-chat

Cheers,
Nathan


On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 12:58 PM Sam Sokolik  wrote:

> well poop.
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 11:44 AM Chad Woitas 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > From the discord this morning:
> > https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409
> >
> > It seems the Freenode IRC future is in question. Does this affect the
> > Linuxcnc IRC?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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well poop.

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 11:44 AM Chad Woitas 
wrote:

>
> From the discord this morning:
> https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409
>
> It seems the Freenode IRC future is in question. Does this affect the
> Linuxcnc IRC?
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[Emc-users] Freenode Shenagins

[Chad Woitas]

>From the discord this morning: 
>https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409

It seems the Freenode IRC future is in question. Does this affect the Linuxcnc 
IRC?





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