Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 15 March 2016 12:16:50 Kirk Wallace wrote: > On 03/15/2016 12:28 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > ... snip > > > What type of interface Kirk? > > A Pico Sys +10 V analog output. I keep thinking it's PWM but it's not. > It uses a DAC. > > > I intend to use a pwmgen, which would update its ana

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-15 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 03/15/2016 12:28 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: ... snip > What type of interface Kirk? A Pico Sys +10 V analog output. I keep thinking it's PWM but it's not. It uses a DAC. > I intend to use a pwmgen, which would update its analog equ at the > servo rate, normally at 1 KHz. If thats a problem,

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 15 March 2016 01:58:05 Kirk Wallace wrote: > On 03/14/2016 03:55 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 14 March 2016 18:08:48 andy pugh wrote: > >> On 14 March 2016 at 21:58, Gene Heskett wrote: > Have you tried reversing without the relay? I don't have any > braking relays a

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-14 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 03/14/2016 03:55 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 14 March 2016 18:08:48 andy pugh wrote: > >> On 14 March 2016 at 21:58, Gene Heskett wrote: Have you tried reversing without the relay? I don't have any braking relays and my spindles all stop adequately quickly. >>> >>> The only re

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-14 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 14 March 2016 18:08:48 andy pugh wrote: > On 14 March 2016 at 21:58, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> Have you tried reversing without the relay? I don't have any > >> braking relays and my spindles all stop adequately quickly. > > > > The only relay present on the control board is apparently t

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-14 Thread andy pugh
On 14 March 2016 at 21:58, Gene Heskett wrote: >> Have you tried reversing without the relay? I don't have any braking >> relays and my spindles all stop adequately quickly. > > The only relay present on the control board is apparently the external > reverse signal. There is a page in the paramete

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-14 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 14 March 2016 16:33:54 andy pugh wrote: > On 14 March 2016 at 18:19, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I have not noted seeing those warnings, > > This ad shows the comparision: > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-2KW-220-250V-3HP-10A-VARIABLE-FREQUENCY-DR >IVE-INVERTER-VFD-SPEED-CONTROL-CE-/2520034586

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-14 Thread andy pugh
On 14 March 2016 at 18:19, Gene Heskett wrote: > I have not noted seeing those warnings, This ad shows the comparision: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-2KW-220-250V-3HP-10A-VARIABLE-FREQUENCY-DRIVE-INVERTER-VFD-SPEED-CONTROL-CE-/252003458616?hash=item3aac939e38:g:UTEAAOSwLVZVwbcm > in any event I wi

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-14 Thread Gene Heskett
will own this one. No sense of it going to waste even if I can't use it. > - Original Message - > From: "Gene Heskett" > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 11:47:55 AM > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1 > > On

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-14 Thread Todd Zuercher
onday, March 14, 2016 11:47:55 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1 On Monday 14 March 2016 11:02:44 Todd Zuercher wrote: > According to this doc. for that drive. > http://www.exoror.com/datasheet/VFD.pdf > Page 10-11 there should be screw terminals labeled P+ and Pr that are >

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-14 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/13/2016 11:45 PM, Danny Miller wrote: > There should be a "P" and "N" terminal. THAT is the connection for the > external braking resistor on your Huanyang. > > BTW, another point- I have seen (but not worked with) a "DC brake" > feature on both my X200 and your Huanyang. > > I believe that'

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-14 Thread Gene Heskett
is not in the list of coverage that manual shows. > - Original Message - > From: "Gene Heskett" > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 12:26:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1 > > On Sunday 13 March 201

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-14 Thread Todd Zuercher
correct for that drive, which is sometimes a big assumption. - Original Message - From: "Gene Heskett" To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 12:26:38 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1 On Sunday 13 March 2016 22:05:11 Danny Miller wrote: &

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-13 Thread Danny Miller
There should be a "P" and "N" terminal. THAT is the connection for the external braking resistor on your Huanyang. BTW, another point- I have seen (but not worked with) a "DC brake" feature on both my X200 and your Huanyang. I believe that's because regen braking becomes much less effective at

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 13 March 2016 22:05:11 Danny Miller wrote: > Which VFD is this? > > Danny > A blue label in a matching sized depression on the right side claims it is a: HY01D523B With the I/O (1 to 3 phase) voltage (180-250) ratings and Frequency 40-60 hertz, power at 1.5kw. The next line says outpu

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-13 Thread Danny Miller
Which VFD is this? Danny On 3/13/2016 8:52 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 13 March 2016 13:39:10 Jon Elson wrote: > >> On 03/13/2016 08:47 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: >>> On Sunday 13 March 2016 09:30:30 John Thornton wrote: I just used the the one for by the drive. I "think" not all drives

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-13 Thread Danny Miller
Actually at least the X200 and WJ200 have integral interal braking resistors- but, for practical reasons of space and cooling, they're undersized and only "remedial". They can't absorb the full current of high-speed braking that the drive can potentially deliver. Danny On 3/13/2016 1:14 PM,

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 13 March 2016 13:39:10 Jon Elson wrote: > On 03/13/2016 08:47 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 13 March 2016 09:30:30 John Thornton wrote: > >> I just used the the one for by the drive. I "think" not all drives > >> would use the same resistor. Just looking at the GS2 and there are

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 13 March 2016 13:36:58 Jon Elson wrote: > On 03/13/2016 08:03 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 13 March 2016 07:40:25 John Thornton wrote: > >> On my GS-2 with the braking resistor I go from 1800 fwd to 1800 rev > >> in 1 second. I have both acceleration and deceleration set to 1/2

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-13 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 03/13/2016 10:39 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > On 03/13/2016 08:47 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Sunday 13 March 2016 09:30:30 John Thornton wrote: >> >>> I just used the the one for by the drive. I "think" not all drives >>> would use the same resistor. Just looking at the GS2 and there are 12 >>> dif

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-13 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/13/2016 08:47 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 13 March 2016 09:30:30 John Thornton wrote: > >> I just used the the one for by the drive. I "think" not all drives >> would use the same resistor. Just looking at the GS2 and there are 12 >> different braking resistors. >> > All of which are

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-13 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/13/2016 08:03 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 13 March 2016 07:40:25 John Thornton wrote: > >> On my GS-2 with the braking resistor I go from 1800 fwd to 1800 rev in >> 1 second. I have both acceleration and deceleration set to 1/2 second. >> >> JT > That would be considerably more useful

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-13 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/12/2016 10:12 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > Greetings everybody; > > Given that I note the vfd's seem to have an adjustable accelleration > control, and that my couple of hours playing with it from its own front > panel, I am led at ask the question of just how fast can one of these > things be r

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-13 Thread Danny Miller
I DID see there's "braking units" AND "braking resistors". I am unclear on what's inside a braking unit. I am sure it has a self-resetting breaker at least. But that is not even all that good to have- opening of the breaker would cause the VFD to go into an overvolt error state. You won't

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-13 Thread Danny Miller
From what I gather, the primary factor is the motor voltage and drive hp. A 2.2KW motor with a 2.2KW drive on 208v is 10.6 amps. Well, the phase currents are a different calc, and we're also talking about the main bus cap in the VFD which is rectified off the 208v source. So these numbers ha

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-13 Thread Danny Miller
Oh look, same thing but larger: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Trapezium-500W-100ohm-Aluminum-Housed-Wire-Wound-Braking-Resistor-/281080278842?hash=item4171b0af3a:g:VqMAAMXQ855RwVCg From what I'd Googled, the wattage can be much lower with drives for spindles that just need them to stop on a low dut

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-13 Thread John Thornton
I don't know who AT is or what your looking at, the braking resistor for the 3hp GS2 is $76 all day long. Look by the output terminals... The AD 100 ohm 300 watt braking resistor is $65 part number GS-22P0-BR http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Drives/AC_Drive_%28VFD%29_Spare_P

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 13 March 2016 10:14:26 John Thornton wrote: > I'm confused the braking resistor for my drive is $76... > > JT AT's quoted prices on their web page, a/o this morning, were uniformly all $435 with a note they also needed some sort of a controller interface too, price UNK on that. Looki

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-13 Thread John Thornton
I'm confused the braking resistor for my drive is $76... JT On 3/13/2016 8:47 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 13 March 2016 09:30:30 John Thornton wrote: > >> I just used the the one for by the drive. I "think" not all drives >> would use the same resistor. Just looking at the GS2 and there a

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 13 March 2016 09:30:30 John Thornton wrote: > I just used the the one for by the drive. I "think" not all drives > would use the same resistor. Just looking at the GS2 and there are 12 > different braking resistors. > All of which are $435 a copy & still need some sort of an extra, exter

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-13 Thread John Thornton
I just used the the one for by the drive. I "think" not all drives would use the same resistor. Just looking at the GS2 and there are 12 different braking resistors. http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Drives/GS2_%28115_-z-_230_-z-_460_-z-_575_VAC_V-z-Hz_Control%29/GS2_Drive_Uni

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 13 March 2016 07:40:25 John Thornton wrote: > On my GS-2 with the braking resistor I go from 1800 fwd to 1800 rev in > 1 second. I have both acceleration and deceleration set to 1/2 second. > > JT That would be considerably more usefull than the controllers default of 30 seconds. Do y

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-13 Thread John Thornton
On my GS-2 with the braking resistor I go from 1800 fwd to 1800 rev in 1 second. I have both acceleration and deceleration set to 1/2 second. JT On 3/12/2016 10:12 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > Greetings everybody; > > Given that I note the vfd's seem to have an adjustable accelleration > control, a

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 13 March 2016 00:19:35 Danny Miller wrote: > Without an external braking resistor, the deceleration is much more > limited. What happens is the back EMF charges the main bus capacitor, > and it will go into an overvolt error and simply freewheel to avoid > charging it further to a point

Re: [Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-12 Thread Danny Miller
Without an external braking resistor, the deceleration is much more limited. What happens is the back EMF charges the main bus capacitor, and it will go into an overvolt error and simply freewheel to avoid charging it further to a point where it will damage the cap. I have a 3KW air-cooled mil

[Emc-users] Using a vfd vs G33.1

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings everybody; Given that I note the vfd's seem to have an adjustable accelleration control, and that my couple of hours playing with it from its own front panel, I am led at ask the question of just how fast can one of these things be reversed from say 1000 rpm at the motor spindle? I a