Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
On 1/2/2012 12:13 AM, Kent A. Reed wrote: As for debugging your hal file, that's the problem I was working on in the fall with my attempts to graph the hal network. The feedback I got here suggested my approach wasn't lighting anyone's fire, but my wife's health has taken a big nose dive (I

[Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread andy pugh
I have some surface-mount opto-sensors which have pads on the underside, but no pins as such. Can anyone suggest how to solder them to PCB pads? I currently have a soldering iron, blowtorch, gas cooker and a hairdryer, though I am not averse to buying other tools. -- atp The idea that there is

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread Gary P. Fiber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NN7UGWYmBY Good video, Goes over the basics of soldering SMD chips. They use flux a lot to help clean and direct the solder where to go as many carry the solder on the hot tip to the smd component and the built in rosin usually boils away. Gary K8IZ On 1/2/2012

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012, andy pugh wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 15:32:18 + From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Emc-users]

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread andy pugh
On 2 January 2012 15:46, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote: A hair dryer is close but a little too cool. A hot air gun (the type used with heat-shrink tubing) will work. OK, one has been on my to-buy list for a while, but so far the hairdryer has worked. You will also want some solder

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012, andy pugh wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:01:43 + From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users]

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread andy pugh
On 2 January 2012 16:01, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote: To add to the fun, I have back-mounted optos too.. That does add to the fun... I hope they are not back to back. Guess what… One hopeful point is that I made the board pads oversize, so I might even be able to use a soldering

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012, andy pugh wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:13:28 + From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users]

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread Dave
On 1/2/2012 12:13 AM, Kent A. Reed wrote: On 1/1/2012 8:41 PM, gene heskett wrote: ... Thanks guys sending wishes for Happy Prosperous New Year to all. Further thought: How do you folks arrive at those logic diagrams shown at several locations in the Integrators Manual I just

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Mon, 2012-01-02 at 02:11 -0500, gene heskett wrote: ... snip As for debugging your hal file, that's the problem I was working on in the fall with my attempts to graph the hal network. The feedback I got here suggested my approach wasn't lighting anyone's fire, I hope it didn't come

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 02, 2012 12:23:13 PM andy pugh did opine: I have some surface-mount opto-sensors which have pads on the underside, but no pins as such. Can anyone suggest how to solder them to PCB pads? I currently have a soldering iron, blowtorch, gas cooker and a hairdryer, though I am

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012, andy pugh wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:13:28 + From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users]

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 02, 2012 12:44:51 PM Kirk Wallace did opine: On Mon, 2012-01-02 at 02:11 -0500, gene heskett wrote: ... snip As for debugging your hal file, that's the problem I was working on in the fall with my attempts to graph the hal network. The feedback I got here suggested

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 02, 2012 01:47:39 PM gene heskett did opine: [...] With regard to a bad hal file killing the machine, I am now beginning to lean toward a flaky psu, its not liking 50F ambient temps in the shop, and has crashed with grand and goriously colored confetti on the screen

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 02, 2012 02:07:53 PM Kenneth Lerman did opine: On 1/2/2012 1:16 PM, gene heskett wrote: lots of stuff snipped Maybe I'll even buy a whole new box. If I could find one of those compact models with a usable parport no built in video. Is anyone actually selling that

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread andy pugh
On 2 January 2012 18:46, Kenneth Lerman kenneth.ler...@se-ltd.com wrote: That will be the third such machine I have. It does have built-in video, but you don't have to use it. However, there is no reason not to use the built-in video with that card, it works fine. -- atp The idea that there

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012, gene heskett wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:06:25 -0500 From: gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down On

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread Jon Elson
andy pugh wrote: I have some surface-mount opto-sensors which have pads on the underside, but no pins as such. Can anyone suggest how to solder them to PCB pads? I currently have a soldering iron, blowtorch, gas cooker and a hairdryer, though I am not averse to buying other tools. Hmmm,

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread andy pugh
On 2 January 2012 19:12, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: MBD-I-D525MWV         1       D525MWV Mini-ITX Motherboard    85.00 Does that include the lpt breakout kit? No need, the D525 has the LPT on the back panel, it's the purple one here:

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: Ed Nisely had an article in CC some time back where he used a toaster oven for that, IIRC. I also do production work with a toaster oven! I have a ramp and soak temperature controller from Omega, and found the best control was to poke the thermocouple into a plated

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 02, 2012 02:29:55 PM Peter C. Wallace did opine: On Mon, 2 Jan 2012, gene heskett wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:06:25 -0500 From: gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To:

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 02, 2012 02:31:38 PM andy pugh did opine: On 2 January 2012 18:46, Kenneth Lerman kenneth.ler...@se-ltd.com wrote: That will be the third such machine I have. It does have built-in video, but you don't have to use it. However, there is no reason not to use the built-in

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 1/2/2012 2:06 PM, gene heskett wrote: On Monday, January 02, 2012 01:47:39 PM gene heskett did opine: [...] With regard to a bad hal file killing the machine, I am now beginning to lean toward a flaky psu, its not liking 50F ambient temps in the shop, and has crashed with grand and

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Mon, 2012-01-02 at 14:12 -0500, gene heskett wrote: ... snip Disks are hens teeth ATM, although I hear production is ramping back up after the tsunami now. ... snip I would consider nixing the optical drive and maybe the hard drive and use a USB thumb drive for installation and or normal

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 02, 2012 02:34:16 PM andy pugh did opine: On 2 January 2012 19:12, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: MBD-I-D525MWV 1 D525MWV Mini-ITX Motherboard85.00 Does that include the lpt breakout kit? No need, the D525 has the LPT on the back panel, it's

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: Maybe I'll even buy a whole new box. If I could find one of those compact models with a usable parport no built in video. Is anyone actually selling that intel board that has been discussed here in a ready to go package? I'd drop the card for one of those in a

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 1/2/2012 2:23 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 2 January 2012 19:12, gene heskettghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: MBD-I-D525MWV 1 D525MWV Mini-ITX Motherboard85.00 Does that include the lpt breakout kit? No need, the D525 has the LPT on the back panel, it's the purple one here:

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread Mike Payson
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: If the pads are completely covered by the part, you have a real dilemma! About the only way to solder these are IR reflow or hot air. A hair dryer doesn't get hot enough, a heat gun is probably too much for sensitive

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread andy pugh
On 2 January 2012 19:32, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Monday, January 02, 2012 02:31:38 PM andy pugh did opine: However, there is no reason not to use the built-in video with that card, it works fine. And this is the foxcon board? No, this is the Intel BOXD525MW (but I think that

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread andy pugh
On 2 January 2012 19:36, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: http://www.suntekstore.co.uk/goods.php?id=10010116utm_source=gbuk It may be, but how long does it work with ext3?  I would rather have rotating storage I can count on for a year or so. I have been using an 8GB one of those to

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread andy pugh
On 2 January 2012 19:59, Mike Payson m...@dawgdayz.com wrote: Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk How do you spell Solder in the US? All the videos seem to pronounce it sodder whereas I have only ever heard it pronounced

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 02, 2012 02:50:10 PM Kent A. Reed did opine: On 1/2/2012 2:06 PM, gene heskett wrote: On Monday, January 02, 2012 01:47:39 PM gene heskett did opine: [...] With regard to a bad hal file killing the machine, I am now beginning to lean toward a flaky psu, its not

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread R.L. Wurdack
Something like 3 is pronounced in Hants - fwreee, or something like that. (I have seldom heard the 'l' in the US.) D. - Original Message - From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 12:15 PM

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread Mike Payson
It is spelled Solder, but pronounced as if the L was silent, sodder. On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 12:15 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 January 2012 19:59, Mike Payson m...@dawgdayz.com wrote: Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations:

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread Daniel Rogge
One small data point: Be carefull with MB choices, the Intel D525 MB is known to have good latency not sure about the Foxconn. I found that a Foxconn board that we used to sell had much worse latency than the Intel DG41AN. No idea how it compares to the D525. Rogge

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 02, 2012 04:02:42 PM andy pugh did opine: On 2 January 2012 19:59, Mike Payson m...@dawgdayz.com wrote: Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk How do you spell Solder in the US? All the videos seem to

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread Dave
On 1/2/2012 2:58 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 2 January 2012 19:32, gene heskettghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Monday, January 02, 2012 02:31:38 PM andy pugh did opine: However, there is no reason not to use the built-in video with that card, it works fine. And this is the

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread Kenneth Lerman
On 1/2/2012 2:12 PM, gene heskett wrote: Stuff that I deleted Subtotal 230.25 Shipping Cost (UPSGR)13.22 Total$243.47 Does that include the lpt breakout kit? And is it time I bought a portable dvd writer that plugs into a usb port to do installs such with? Will it

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 02, 2012 04:53:35 PM Dave did opine: On 1/2/2012 2:58 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 2 January 2012 19:32, gene heskettghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Monday, January 02, 2012 02:31:38 PM andy pugh did opine: However, there is no reason not to use the built-in video with that

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 02, 2012 06:26:30 PM Kenneth Lerman did opine: On 1/2/2012 2:12 PM, gene heskett wrote: Stuff that I deleted Subtotal 230.25 Shipping Cost (UPSGR) 13.22 Total $243.47 Does that include the lpt breakout kit? And is it time I bought a portable

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread Martin Patton
We spell it solder but say it sawder. Reason is unknown to me. -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: Is anyone running emc on this? How is the latency? I've tested the Intel D525MW motherboard, and put it in the database. The servo thread jitter was 15595, the base thread was 11921. That is fine for any system with a hardware interface (servo or stepper) but may be a

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: On Monday, January 02, 2012 02:31:38 PM andy pugh did opine: On 2 January 2012 18:46, Kenneth Lerman kenneth.ler...@se-ltd.com wrote: That will be the third such machine I have. It does have built-in video, but you don't have to use it. However,

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread Jon Elson
andy pugh wrote: No, this is the Intel BOXD525MW (but I think that BOX might just mean it is in a box) Yes, it means there is an individual cardboard box with holographic anti-counterfeit label, meant for sale to the end-user, instead of packed in cases of a dozen or so. Jon

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread Jon Elson
andy pugh wrote: On 2 January 2012 19:59, Mike Payson m...@dawgdayz.com wrote: Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk How do you spell Solder in the US? All the videos seem to pronounce it sodder whereas I have only

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread Jon Elson
gene heskett wrote: How about this one? $219 http://www.directron.com/extremevalue.html only needs an optical drive for installs. I am tempted to get 2, one for the lathe. Yup, looks mostly OK to me. It has a plastic window on the side, and a fan. You may need the fan with the magnetic

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 1/2/2012 10:35 PM, Jon Elson wrote: gene heskett wrote: Is anyone running emc on this? How is the latency? I've tested the Intel D525MW motherboard, and put it in the database. The servo thread jitter was 15595, the base thread was 11921. That is fine for any system with a hardware

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 02, 2012 11:40:59 PM Jon Elson did opine: gene heskett wrote: Is anyone running emc on this? How is the latency? I've tested the Intel D525MW motherboard, and put it in the database. The servo thread jitter was 15595, the base thread was 11921. That's pretty good for

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 02, 2012 11:49:36 PM Jon Elson did opine: gene heskett wrote: On Monday, January 02, 2012 02:31:38 PM andy pugh did opine: On 2 January 2012 18:46, Kenneth Lerman kenneth.ler...@se-ltd.com wrote: That will be the third such machine I have. It does have built-in

Re: [Emc-users] hal taking machine down

2012-01-02 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 02, 2012 11:52:14 PM Jon Elson did opine: gene heskett wrote: How about this one? $219 http://www.directron.com/extremevalue.html only needs an optical drive for installs. I am tempted to get 2, one for the lathe. Yup, looks mostly OK to me. It has a

Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount

2012-01-02 Thread Peter Blodow
Hello gentlemen, the point is that the long o in solder is pronounced in US english like aw in a common process known as delabilisation or unrounding. This phenomenon is known in other languages, too, e.g. in Russian (eto is pronounced like eta). The same is true with lot or bother. As a