Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
I've added a photo. www.autoartisans.com/harmonicdrive/HarmonicDrive-8.jpg The new wave generator pieces puts the bearings 1mm further out. Was also able to bring it a bit closer to the motor so the bearings now sit in the middle of the fixed spline gear. I've run it with 18,000 steps per

Re: [Emc-users] [emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread Gene Heskett
Hi John; I designed and built, from petg, the loose belt version based on Sam idea but quite a bit smaller. I can drive it with a 1NM 3 phase motor which has an 8mm d-flatted shaft after grinding the dflat quite a bit wider. No metal in the hub, its just a press fit on the motor shaft.

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 at 21:43, John Dammeyer wrote: > Do you have a similar sized micrograph of the mating profile? Sorry, no, that's a lot harder to photograph. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses,

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread Sam Sokolik
I will post them later tonight.. To be honest - I took a video of the one of the drive mfg and kinda measured the tooth angle. (mine are just triangles..) sam On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 2:30 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > Hi Sam, > Could you share the STEP file for the flex gear? I want to look at

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
So nothing as complicated as: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1687814019850656 I did detailed measurements on the cup version I printed and there are two issues. The worst is the shrinkage of the plastic results in the bearing holder being 1mm too small in diameter compared to the

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 at 20:30, John Dammeyer wrote: > > I want to look at the tooth shape. This is a micrograph of the flexspline of my broken HD drive. https://photos.app.goo.gl/mmJdebQD1QY538xY6 This part of their web site makes a thing about the "S" shape of the teeth, and has a little

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread Sam Sokolik
This is the profile I am currently using... http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/IMG_20210127_104354.jpg On Tue, Nov 30, 2021, 3:10 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > So nothing as complicated as: > https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1687814019850656 > > I did detailed measurements

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
See below. > -Original Message- > From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > Sent: November-30-21 1:23 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 at 20:30, John Dammeyer wrote: > > > > I want to look at the tooth

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
Yeah the sides of your flex bearing contact the sides of the spline bearing before it bottoms. See the post I just made for more detailed photos. John > -Original Message- > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > Sent: November-30-21 1:23 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
Here's a link to the photos. Two views of all the parts not including the bearing arm. www.autoartisans.com/harmonicdrive/HarmonicDrive-1.jpg www.autoartisans.com/harmonicdrive/HarmonicDrive-2.jpg I didn't have the larger ID bearings so I used one with OD 47 but ID 20mm and recreated the

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
If I understand the theory and the various article it's more a sine wave and so the teeth follow that. What does it mean? Not quite sure. The key comment I did note was that is that the teeth tips move relative to the root pitch. Think of taking a toothed belt. Laid flat the crests are

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Isn't the purpose of an involute surface the minimization of sliding two surfaces? I would think an attempt would be made in the harmonic mesh. On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 12:09 AM andy pugh wrote: > On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 at 23:07, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > > > Is the tooth shape an attempt to mesh

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread Sam Sokolik
The meshing of the harmonic drive splines slide in and out... not like involute gears that rotate though with point pressure (not sliding) On Tue, Nov 30, 2021, 7:32 PM Stuart Stevenson wrote: > Isn't the purpose of an involute surface the minimization of sliding two > surfaces? I would

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
One of the reasons that inside out toothed belts don't work well is because of the rounded shape of the teeth. In the case of gears both the root pitch of the gear and the distance between teeth doesn't change as it turns. The belt goes around the pulley and at the back ends the shape of the

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
Said in so many less words than I used... > -Original Message- > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > Sent: November-30-21 5:38 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive > > The meshing of the harmonic drive splines slide in and

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
Hi Sam, Could you share the STEP file for the flex gear? I want to look at the tooth shape. Thanks John > -Original Message- > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > Sent: November-27-21 8:18 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

Re: [Emc-users] [emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
Gene, I haven't tried PETG yet. I have a 'real' harmonic drive like Andy's so this is all just for a brief detour while I wait for parts for my draw bar. An Mechanical Engineer once told me that if I want to write for Mech. Eng. people to keep the sentances really short with lots of white

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread John Dammeyer
> From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > > On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 at 21:43, John Dammeyer wrote: > > > Do you have a similar sized micrograph of the mating profile? > > Sorry, no, that's a lot harder to photograph. Maybe that's the secret part that makes them work so well? The photo

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Andy, Is the tooth shape an attempt to mesh in an involute fashion? thanks Stuart On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 3:26 PM andy pugh wrote: > On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 at 20:30, John Dammeyer > wrote: > > > > I want to look at the tooth shape. > > This is a micrograph of the flexspline of my broken HD

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 at 23:07, Stuart Stevenson wrote: > Is the tooth shape an attempt to mesh in an involute fashion? No, because the motion of the teeth relative to each other is very much unlike meshing gears, and so involute is inappropriate. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2021-11-30 Thread Sam Sokolik
ok - I sent the stl's but it is awaiting for approval.. So here they are again.. http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/harmonic/ That creates 100:1 or 101:1 depending on which side is stationary... On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 9:12 PM Sam Sokolik wrote: > I am pretty sure this is the