Re: [Emc-users] Ideal Tool Table
I wasn't saying that that's the way it does work, instead asking if that's the way it should work (as opposed to another INI flag. Rogge Daniel, I am not complaining. I agree with you the wear offsets should follow the flag in LCNC G7/G8. I would love to see work done in this area. To be honest your patch is the only reason I went ahead and started the second lathe retrofit in my shop. It is the way machines are controlled by a machinist. To keep changing the geometry offset to make a good part would not work in a commercial shop. Thanks for your work in this area. Jeff Johnson On Nov 7, 2012 4:35 PM, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: Send Emc-users mailing list submissions to emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net You can reach the person managing the list at emc-users-ow...@lists.sourceforge.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Emc-users digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Ideal Tool Table (Jeff Johnson) 2. Re: Text on rounded button. (Gene Heskett) 3. Re: Text on rounded button. (Jack Coats) 4. Re: Text on rounded button. (Erik Friesen) 5. Re: Ideal Tool Table (Daniel Rogge) 6. Re: What should I do to get the performance back? (Jim Coleman) 7. Re: Text on rounded button. (Gene Heskett) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 15:27:23 -0500 From: Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Ideal Tool Table To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: 509ac437.aa01320a.7b87.8...@mx.google.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Perhaps instead of an INI flag the interpreter should simply look at the current G7/G8 mode? Would this do what you're looking for? Daniel I am using your patch on our turning center in diameter mode. The wear offsets still have to be entered in Radius or half Jeff L Johnson Superior Roll Turning Superiorroll.com 734-279-1831 Fax 279-1166 -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 15:36:41 -0500 From: Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Text on rounded button. To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: 201211071536.41292.ghesk...@wdtv.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=windows-1256 On Wednesday 07 November 2012 14:51:47 Lars Kruse did opine: Hi, I am trying the PyCam, it loaded an stl. Then I created text, the stl disappeared. So I reloaded the stl, then the text is gone. I must be missing some basics. yes - sorry - this detail was hidden in the article :) The last release of PyCAM could only handle one model at a time - that's why you can't see both at the same moment. Just checkout the latest development branch and run it - this is a matter of seconds since you already installed all requirements (except git): git clone git://pycam.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/pycam/pycam cd pycam scripts/pycam I hope this helps ... Lars I think you are getting there, Lars. I did the git pull into /home/gene/src, generating the pycam directory there without any hiccups. I need to explore it further,but that it seemed to be faster at rendering than the last time I looked. Its also the first time I've seen gkrellm report all 4 cores of this phenom quite well pegged out while it was rendering a tool path. The screen I ran it from did report some errors that appeared not to be show stoppers: The text I had entered in the text entry box was 'Now' Failed to locate the fonts directory 'fonts' below '['/usr/lib/pymodules/share', '/usr/local/share/pycam', '/usr/share/pycam']'. Falling back to '/usr/share/librecad/fonts, /usr/share/qcad/fonts'. Font directory: /usr/share/qcad/fonts CFXImporter: Skipped font defintion file '/usr/share/qcad/fonts/kochigothic.cxf'. Reason: Failed to parse character at line 7064. *** skipped 1 similar message(s) *** CXFImporter: Imported CXF font from '/usr/share/qcad/fonts/normal.cxf': 101 letters *** skipped 16 similar message(s) *** CFXImporter: Skipped font defintion file '/usr/share/qcad/fonts/unicode.cxf'. Reason: Failed to parse character at line 3008. Not being an accomplished graphics geek with inkscape or any of the cad programs, although I do stay up to date with freecad, I am encouraged by what I see here. My goal at some point, is to come up with a coin pattern for a Round TUIT coin that I can make a few copies of on my toy mill for selected friends, from flat ALU bar. The engraver filler crayon I saw a few days ago would come in handy for that project also. I had such a coin, stamped burned into maple, in the 60's
Re: [Emc-users] Ideal Tool Table
On 8 November 2012 12:49, Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com wrote: Daniel, I am not complaining. I agree with you the wear offsets should follow the flag in LCNC G7/G8 What happens if you have more than 99 tools? -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Ideal Tool Table
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:02 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 November 2012 12:49, Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com wrote: Daniel, I am not complaining. I agree with you the wear offsets should follow the flag in LCNC G7/G8 What happens if you have more than 99 tools? the next one is 100? -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- dos centavos -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Ideal Tool Table
On 8 November 2012 13:19, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: What happens if you have more than 99 tools? the next one is 100? I was meaning in the allegedly-standard Twwgg format. That seems to assume 2 digits for geometry and 2 for wear. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Ideal Tool Table
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:27 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 November 2012 13:19, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: What happens if you have more than 99 tools? the next one is 100? I was meaning in the allegedly-standard Twwgg format. That seems to assume 2 digits for geometry and 2 for wear. yeah - just an early morning attempt at humor :) -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- dos centavos -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Ideal Tool Table
On Thursday 08 November 2012 19:12:12 Stuart Stevenson did opine: On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:27 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 November 2012 13:19, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: What happens if you have more than 99 tools? the next one is 100? I was meaning in the allegedly-standard Twwgg format. That seems to assume 2 digits for geometry and 2 for wear. yeah - just an early morning attempt at humor :) I was tempted to say that the machine and all its tools should be sold then go fishing for a few years. But I didn't. :) Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene is up! The worst is not so long as we can say This is the worst. -- King Lear -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Ideal Tool Table
Gene This is a different question about the pawn part that is in emc2 programs. Is there a print for that pawn part and if so where could I get it to print it off? Sorry if this is not the proper procedure to access the site but it seems that your name has been on here all the time for years so I figured you would be a go to person. Also some of the other programs that are already written and stored as program files do not work and fail to run? Dont know if it is my setup or the programs. Thanks in advanceRondal --- On Thu, 11/8/12, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: From: Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Ideal Tool Table To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Thursday, November 8, 2012, 6:13 PM On Thursday 08 November 2012 19:12:12 Stuart Stevenson did opine: On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:27 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 November 2012 13:19, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: What happens if you have more than 99 tools? the next one is 100? I was meaning in the allegedly-standard Twwgg format. That seems to assume 2 digits for geometry and 2 for wear. yeah - just an early morning attempt at humor :) I was tempted to say that the machine and all its tools should be sold then go fishing for a few years. But I didn't. :) Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene is up! The worst is not so long as we can say This is the worst. -- King Lear -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Ideal Tool Table
On Thursday 08 November 2012 23:42:01 Rondal Nannie did opine: Gene This is a different question about the pawn part that is in emc2 programs. Is there a print for that pawn part and if so where could I get it to print it off? Sorry if this is not the proper procedure to access the site but it seems that your name has been on here all the time for years so I figured you would be a go to person. Also some of the other programs that are already written and stored as program files do not work and fail to run? Dont know if it is my setup or the programs. Thanks in advanceRondal Thanks for the flowers Rondal, but I, despite my probably being the old man of the crowd here at 78, and on this list for at least half a decade, am not really the goto guy for this as I was not a machinist (except accidentally in the function of my job) in my working life, but a broadcast engineer with what used to be a 1st Phone before the commission threw us under the bus, and a C.E.T., a considerably more technical test than the 1st Phone was. All that, about about a buck forty will get you a 16 oz coffee to go at your neighborhood 7-11. :) What I can say is that the pawn code exercises my machine rather nicely. If I ever come across a suitable sized piece of aluminum, I might make one just for a shelf decorator. Steel would possibly work too, but at that cut depth in steel, I suspect my puny spindle motor would cause the fuse replacement bill to rise vertically. It is a nominally 12 year old 7x12 that I just put motors on and a ball screw in the X axis this past year. I've cut threads up to 5/8 27tpi that look like works of art if the single tooth is sharp. The one thing that program doesn't do is pause for a tool change to a cutoff blade, and cut off the finished pawn. I'd still have to do all that by hand, at very slow feeds and several stops to sharpen the cutoff blade, way too much rubber between the spindle bearings and the tool bit on that size toy lathe. Nothing beats cast iron and I can pick up the table top its screwed to and carry it without help, not that much cast iron in it. If I thought I had another decade, I'd drive up to Grizzly (its a half day trip each way from here) get the small gunsmiths special cnc it. Unforch I am also a type 2 diabetic, so another decade is doubtful. S, I continue to polish this sows ear of a lathe. It makes the little parts, like a 209 nipple for one of my BP rifles quite nicely. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene is up! You could live a better life, if you had a better mind and a better body. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Ideal Tool Table
does anybody have a shareable copy of this? http://www.iso.org/iso/home/store/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=8052 Am 07.11.2012 um 16:55 schrieb Jeff Johnson: I believe we have to start with the ISO standards what ever they might be. Being a commercial operation I can move from control to control and the tool data both geometry and wear offsets is handled very similar from control to control (different brands). I think the major differences come into play on the conversational side. Having programmed Cincinnati, Fanuc and Fagor it is my belief that the tool is still described to a pocket or a tool number. I do know that you can call a similar tool from a different pocket in case of tool breakage and or wear. Using Cam for 99.9 percent of our programming the tool is described to the cam system not the machine. In a shop that uses conversational more I can see where the ability to describe tools to the control would be better but I still believe that is driven by pocket numbers. Mazak conversational has the ability to look at the tool description and find that tool but I have never actually used their control. Jeff L Johnson Superior Roll Turning Superiorroll.com 734-279-1831 Fax 279-1166 -- LogMeIn Central: Instant, anywhere, Remote PC access and management. Stay in control, update software, and manage PCs from one command center Diagnose problems and improve visibility into emerging IT issues Automate, monitor and manage. Do more in less time with Central http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein12331_d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- LogMeIn Central: Instant, anywhere, Remote PC access and management. Stay in control, update software, and manage PCs from one command center Diagnose problems and improve visibility into emerging IT issues Automate, monitor and manage. Do more in less time with Central http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein12331_d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Ideal Tool Table
wow micheal thats spendy, are you just looking for the iso information? that was highlighted or do you want the whole book? I ask this because my location lets me inter library loan from some of the best universities in ny state -- jeremy youngs -- LogMeIn Central: Instant, anywhere, Remote PC access and management. Stay in control, update software, and manage PCs from one command center Diagnose problems and improve visibility into emerging IT issues Automate, monitor and manage. Do more in less time with Central http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein12331_d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Ideal Tool Table
The ISO standard for tool data is 13399. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_13399 http://www.plm.automation.siemens.com/en_us/about_us/newsroom/press/press_release.cfm?Component=200893ComponentTemplate=822 But I don't think this is what Jeff is looking for. The most comprehensive standard for machine tool handling of tools and tool tables is a matter of opinion, but I think most follow the Fanuc implementation which is described nicely by Peter Smid: http://books.google.com/books?id=JNnQ8r5merMCprintsec=frontcoverdq=peter+smid+cnc+programming+handbookhl=ensa=Xei=UZGaUJn8AqeNyAHBs4DwDwved=0CDIQ6AEwAA Rogge -Original Message- From: Jeff Johnson [mailto:john...@superiorroll.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 9:56 AM To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Emc-users] Ideal Tool Table I believe we have to start with the ISO standards what ever they might be. Being a commercial operation I can move from control to control and the tool data both geometry and wear offsets is handled very similar from control to control (different brands). I think the major differences come into play on the conversational side. Having programmed Cincinnati, Fanuc and Fagor it is my belief that the tool is still described to a pocket or a tool number. I do know that you can call a similar tool from a different pocket in case of tool breakage and or wear. Using Cam for 99.9 percent of our programming the tool is described to the cam system not the machine. In a shop that uses conversational more I can see where the ability to describe tools to the control would be better but I still believe that is driven by pocket numbers. Mazak conversational has the ability to look at the tool description and find that tool but I have never actually used their control. Jeff L Johnson Superior Roll Turning Superiorroll.com 734-279-1831 Fax 279-1166 -- LogMeIn Central: Instant, anywhere, Remote PC access and management. Stay in control, update software, and manage PCs from one command center Diagnose problems and improve visibility into emerging IT issues Automate, monitor and manage. Do more in less time with Central http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein12331_d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- LogMeIn Central: Instant, anywhere, Remote PC access and management. Stay in control, update software, and manage PCs from one command center Diagnose problems and improve visibility into emerging IT issues Automate, monitor and manage. Do more in less time with Central http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein12331_d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Ideal Tool Table
Perhaps instead of an INI flag the interpreter should simply look at the current G7/G8 mode? Would this do what you're looking for? Rogge -Original Message- From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 2:12 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Ideal Tool Table On 7 November 2012 17:32, Jeff Johnson john...@superiorroll.com wrote: I would like to see the wear offsets applied in full also, I agree that it is less math for the operator. Not knowing how or what is involved on the LinuxCNC side could that be just a parameter to change for either Full or half in the INI file? One way of doing this (which is currently available when setting tool offsets with touch-off) would be to always use full diameter (or radius) but allow mathematical expressions in the entry box. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- LogMeIn Central: Instant, anywhere, Remote PC access and management. Stay in control, update software, and manage PCs from one command center Diagnose problems and improve visibility into emerging IT issues Automate, monitor and manage. Do more in less time with Central http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein12331_d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Ideal Tool Table
Jeff, I wasn't saying that that's the way it does work, instead asking if that's the way it should work (as opposed to another INI flag.) Rogge -Original Message- From: Jeff Johnson [mailto:john...@superiorroll.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 2:27 PM To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Ideal Tool Table Perhaps instead of an INI flag the interpreter should simply look at the current G7/G8 mode? Would this do what you're looking for? Daniel I am using your patch on our turning center in diameter mode. The wear offsets still have to be entered in Radius or half Jeff L Johnson Superior Roll Turning Superiorroll.com 734-279-1831 Fax 279-1166 -- LogMeIn Central: Instant, anywhere, Remote PC access and management. Stay in control, update software, and manage PCs from one command center Diagnose problems and improve visibility into emerging IT issues Automate, monitor and manage. Do more in less time with Central http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein12331_d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- LogMeIn Central: Instant, anywhere, Remote PC access and management. Stay in control, update software, and manage PCs from one command center Diagnose problems and improve visibility into emerging IT issues Automate, monitor and manage. Do more in less time with Central http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein12331_d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Ideal Tool Table
as ive seen fanucs that use half offsets and use full dia offsets, which all of this is also dependant upon programming technique if one really digs down to it Jeremy Youngs I would like to see the wear offsets applied in full also, I agree that it is less math for the operator. Not knowing how or what is involved on the LinuxCNC side could that be just a parameter to change for either Full or half in the INI file? I am running the Faunuc style patch now and it only takes half or radius inputs this is cumbersome on a lathe for sure and a mill too in my opinion. We have to be clear about what we are talking about. Are we talking the tool table database or the tool table interface? The database holds the info that linuxcnnc needs, in the format that most suits it. The interface can display that information anyway it likes as long as it saves it in the format linuxcnc expects. You can have the tooltable interface (tooledit.tcl or AXIS etc) display the axis in diameter with the current scheme - but you would have to modify those editor programs. To add wear offsets to the tooltable database is different. We would have to modify linuxcnc to understand the meaning of the wear offsets. Whether linuxcnc applies the offsets as diameter or radius is fairly unimportant, (as long as consistent) because the tooleditor program can convert them to whatever you like. I think Andy was talking mostly of the tool table database. A database that is flexible would seem advantageous. A database that can hold extra information that linuxcnc doesn't need might be nice. if we send just the info that changed rather then it all would that help with the NML limit? Chris M -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
