Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
On 01/02/2012 09:46 AM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: A hair dryer is close but a little too cool. A hot air gun (the type used with heat-shrink tubing) will work. An inexpensive source for one of these is a paint remover heat gun. I bought several at Lowes (Lumber/Building supplies) for $25 each. The ones I got are made by (or labeled anyhow) Wagner. Has a couple of heat/fan levels and works great for heat shrink. I wouldn't recommend giving it to your wife as a hair dryer though ;) -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
On 01/03/2012 04:01 PM, Steve Blackmore wrote: That's cuz you guys in the UK have an accent and talk funny... ;-) Solder, and pronounced sodder. Probably first heard of in the colonies from some village idiot with a speech impediment who we gladly exported and became what people believed it to be until the colonials larned to read :) BTW - How do you pronounce soldier? Why the difference from solder? Steve Blackmore Nah, We didn't allow village idiots here. ;-) Soldier is pronounced soul-jer. Why the difference? Because of the i, silly. VBSEG -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 01/02/2012 03:15 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 2 January 2012 19:59, Mike Paysonm...@dawgdayz.com wrote: Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk How do you spell Solder in the US? All the videos seem to pronounce it sodder whereas I have only ever heard it pronounced solder or sowlder in the UK. That's cuz you guys in the UK have an accent and talk funny... ;-) Solder, and pronounced sodder. Mark -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
On 01/03/2012 01:36 AM, Peter Blodow wrote: Hello gentlemen, the point is that the long o in solder is pronounced in US english like aw in a common process known as delabilisation or unrounding. This phenomenon is known in other languages, too, e.g. in Russian (eto is pronounced like eta). The same is true with lot or bother. As a consequence, the l is omitted in pronounciation. The British still speak an o as an o and keep the l alive. Peter England and America are two countries separated by a common language. George Bernard Shaw ;-) Mark -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
Peter Blodow wrote: Hello gentlemen, the point is that the long o in solder is pronounced in US english like aw in a common process known as delabilisation or unrounding. It is extremely rare to hear it pronounced sawder in the US, although I have heard that pronunciation once or twice. Generally, it is pronounced soder with the unstressed or short O. But, maybe that is only in the electronics industry, and maybe other pronunciations are common in jewelry, metal fab and plumbing industries. Or, it may be a regional variance. Jon -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 05:38:45 -0500, you wrote: On 01/02/2012 03:15 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 2 January 2012 19:59, Mike Paysonm...@dawgdayz.com wrote: Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk How do you spell Solder in the US? All the videos seem to pronounce it sodder whereas I have only ever heard it pronounced solder or sowlder in the UK. That's cuz you guys in the UK have an accent and talk funny... ;-) Solder, and pronounced sodder. Probably first heard of in the colonies from some village idiot with a speech impediment who we gladly exported and became what people believed it to be until the colonials larned to read :) BTW - How do you pronounce soldier? Why the difference from solder? Steve Blackmore -- -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
Jon Elson schrieb: Peter Blodow wrote: Hello gentlemen, the point is that the long o in solder is pronounced in US english like aw in a common process known as delabilisation or unrounding. It is extremely rare to hear it pronounced sawder in the US, although I have heard that pronunciation once or twice. Generally, it is pronounced soder with the unstressed or short O. But, maybe that is only in the electronics industry, and maybe other pronunciations are common in jewelry, metal fab and plumbing industries. Or, it may be a regional variance. Jon I heard that pronounciation for the first time in Muskegon, Michigan, in 1966 during my high school electronics lessons (although they called it electricity at the time since electronics was not a common word at the time). It took me a while to find the word solder in the dictionary then P. -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
Steve Blackmore wrote: On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 05:38:45 -0500, you wrote: On 01/02/2012 03:15 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 2 January 2012 19:59, Mike Paysonm...@dawgdayz.com wrote: Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk How do you spell Solder in the US? All the videos seem to pronounce it sodder whereas I have only ever heard it pronounced solder or sowlder in the UK. That's cuz you guys in the UK have an accent and talk funny... ;-) Solder, and pronounced sodder. Probably first heard of in the colonies from some village idiot with a speech impediment who we gladly exported and became what people believed it to be until the colonials larned to read :) BTW - How do you pronounce soldier? Why the difference from solder? Oh, man! There are so many irregular pronunciations, one could write a book, or several! Yes, of course, the L is pronounced there, and I have no idea why. If you language is composed almost entirely of words borrowed from other languages with their own pronunciation rules, it gets messy. From Russian, to French, Chinese, all the other romance languages, Greek, throw in some Yiddish for spice and stir well, and it OUGHT to make one's head spin! Jon -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NN7UGWYmBY Good video, Goes over the basics of soldering SMD chips. They use flux a lot to help clean and direct the solder where to go as many carry the solder on the hot tip to the smd component and the built in rosin usually boils away. Gary K8IZ On 1/2/2012 7:32 AM, andy pugh wrote: I have some surface-mount opto-sensors which have pads on the underside, but no pins as such. Can anyone suggest how to solder them to PCB pads? I currently have a soldering iron, blowtorch, gas cooker and a hairdryer, though I am not averse to buying other tools. -- Gary Fiber K8IZ GROL PG-19-6691 with shipboard radar endorsement Washington State resident -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012, andy pugh wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 15:32:18 + From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount I have some surface-mount opto-sensors which have pads on the underside, but no pins as such. Can anyone suggest how to solder them to PCB pads? I currently have a soldering iron, blowtorch, gas cooker and a hairdryer, though I am not averse to buying other tools. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. A hair dryer is close but a little too cool. A hot air gun (the type used with heat-shrink tubing) will work. You will also want some solder paste, although it is also do-able by pre soldering the pads. With the solder paste, you apply the paste to the pads (no more than 5-10 mills thick over entire pad or equvalent blob in middle) Carefully hand place the part and heat from behind with the hot air gun. This take practice to not scorch the back of the card so a few practice runs soldering cheap parts is in order. You can see when the solder melts so just heat a little bit past this point. You can also do this without solder paste by pre-soldering the PCB pads. applying a lot of liquid flux and heating from behind. The disadvantage of this is that the bubbling flux will likely lift and displace the part so you need to build a fence' around the part either with scrap PCB material or wire this fence needs maybe 5 -10 mills clearance around the part to allow the part to center by surface tension, and not interfere with the part pulling down to the board hen the solder melts. If you want to do more of this tha a few protos a hot-air rework station is in order, But we do BGA protos all the time this way with great success. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 2 January 2012 15:46, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote: A hair dryer is close but a little too cool. A hot air gun (the type used with heat-shrink tubing) will work. OK, one has been on my to-buy list for a while, but so far the hairdryer has worked. You will also want some solder paste I do have solder paste. Carefully hand place the part and heat from behind with the hot air gun. To add to the fun, I have back-mounted optos too.. I will see how I get on with the hot air gun. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012, andy pugh wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:01:43 + From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount On 2 January 2012 15:46, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote: A hair dryer is close but a little too cool. A hot air gun (the type used with heat-shrink tubing) will work. OK, one has been on my to-buy list for a while, but so far the hairdryer has worked. You will also want some solder paste I do have solder paste. Carefully hand place the part and heat from behind with the hot air gun. To add to the fun, I have back-mounted optos too.. That does add to the fun... I hope they are not back to back. You can (somewhat) protect the parts from the direct hot air contact with some aluminum foil I will see how I get on with the hot air gun. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 2 January 2012 16:01, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote: To add to the fun, I have back-mounted optos too.. That does add to the fun... I hope they are not back to back. Guess what… One hopeful point is that I made the board pads oversize, so I might even be able to use a soldering iron. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012, andy pugh wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:13:28 + From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount On 2 January 2012 16:01, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote: To add to the fun, I have back-mounted optos too.. That does add to the fun... I hope they are not back to back. Guess what… One hopeful point is that I made the board pads oversize, so I might even be able to use a soldering iron. If theres enough of a pad to see you can just use a small solderig iron tip and the solder will wick under the part (this works with TQFN type packages) It helps to have a little extra flux -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
On Monday, January 02, 2012 12:23:13 PM andy pugh did opine: I have some surface-mount opto-sensors which have pads on the underside, but no pins as such. Can anyone suggest how to solder them to PCB pads? I currently have a soldering iron, blowtorch, gas cooker and a hairdryer, though I am not averse to buying other tools. Those are generally set in place with some sort of a pick place aid, then carefully reflow soldered. If properly placed in the paste solder, they will suck themselves into perfect alignment with the pads. Ed Nisely had an article in CC some time back where he used a toaster oven for that, IIRC. What surface mount stuff I have dealt with was the electrolytic caps, used by the 1000's, in dvc-pro broadcast vcr's. They were accessible to a tweezer type soldering iron that GC sold for about $40, using a 500 watt powerstat to control the temps, around 55 volts seemed to be about right. But those had teeny tabs sticking out on the sides that the tips of the tweezer could touch both of at the same time. It wasn't a job for anyone with the beginnings of parkinsons. :( Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene Q: Why was Stonehenge abandoned? A: It wasn't IBM compatible. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012, andy pugh wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:13:28 + From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount On 2 January 2012 16:01, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote: To add to the fun, I have back-mounted optos too.. That does add to the fun... I hope they are not back to back. Guess what… One hopeful point is that I made the board pads oversize, so I might even be able to use a soldering iron. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. Forgot another little tip for tough soldering situations: Preheat the board/comps to about 100C with a hot air gun/hairdrier before hand soldering. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
andy pugh wrote: I have some surface-mount opto-sensors which have pads on the underside, but no pins as such. Can anyone suggest how to solder them to PCB pads? I currently have a soldering iron, blowtorch, gas cooker and a hairdryer, though I am not averse to buying other tools. Hmmm, tricky. You need to look up the manufacturer's info on reflow soldering temperatures, first. That gives you some guidelines on what the part can take. If the PCB pads are big and stick out well past the part outline, you can make sure all pads (both component and PCB) are well tinned, and then hold the part n place with tweezers as you heat the exposed pads with the soldering iron. If the pads are completely covered by the part, you have a real dilemma! About the only way to solder these are IR reflow or hot air. A hair dryer doesn't get hot enough, a heat gun is probably too much for sensitive parts. There are hot air rework stations that are designed to do this. They have a heating element that is controlled to a reasonable temperature and an air supply that blows over the heater. Jon -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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gene heskett wrote: Ed Nisely had an article in CC some time back where he used a toaster oven for that, IIRC. I also do production work with a toaster oven! I have a ramp and soak temperature controller from Omega, and found the best control was to poke the thermocouple into a plated through hole in the board to sense actual board temperature. If I try to sense air temperature, the boards get burned black. This works amazingly well! The REAL trick, however, is getting the right amount of solder. I use 3 mil stencils (~.075mm) photo-etched from brass shim stock. For fine-pitch ICs, you have to cut down the size of the apertures WELL below the pad size. If a little too much solder is there, you get bridges. With just a little more solder, the whole chip lifts up on a moat of solder and floats out of alignment. That is a MAJOR mess to rework. For the chip-scale packages with no exposed leads, you get a lot of shorting under the chip where you can't inspect. This is a major pain to debug and rework, so after one HORRENDOUS experience with 64 of those parts per board, I have avoided that type of package. Jon -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: If the pads are completely covered by the part, you have a real dilemma! About the only way to solder these are IR reflow or hot air. A hair dryer doesn't get hot enough, a heat gun is probably too much for sensitive parts. There are hot air rework stations that are designed to do this. They have a heating element that is controlled to a reasonable temperature and an air supply that blows over the heater. Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 2 January 2012 19:59, Mike Payson m...@dawgdayz.com wrote: Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk How do you spell Solder in the US? All the videos seem to pronounce it sodder whereas I have only ever heard it pronounced solder or sowlder in the UK. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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Something like 3 is pronounced in Hants - fwreee, or something like that. (I have seldom heard the 'l' in the US.) D. - Original Message - From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount On 2 January 2012 19:59, Mike Payson m...@dawgdayz.com wrote: Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk How do you spell Solder in the US? All the videos seem to pronounce it sodder whereas I have only ever heard it pronounced solder or sowlder in the UK. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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It is spelled Solder, but pronounced as if the L was silent, sodder. On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 12:15 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 January 2012 19:59, Mike Payson m...@dawgdayz.com wrote: Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk How do you spell Solder in the US? All the videos seem to pronounce it sodder whereas I have only ever heard it pronounced solder or sowlder in the UK. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
On Monday, January 02, 2012 04:02:42 PM andy pugh did opine: On 2 January 2012 19:59, Mike Payson m...@dawgdayz.com wrote: Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk How do you spell Solder in the US? All the videos seem to pronounce it sodder whereas I have only ever heard it pronounced solder or sowlder in the UK. Its been pronounced 'soder' for at least 70 years of my watch, on the west side of the pond of course. Never made it to your side since I would have had to pay the freight bill for me. :) Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene In Brooklyn, we had such great pennant races, it made the World Series just something that came later. -- Walter O'Malley, Dodgers owner -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
We spell it solder but say it sawder. Reason is unknown to me. -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
andy pugh wrote: On 2 January 2012 19:59, Mike Payson m...@dawgdayz.com wrote: Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk How do you spell Solder in the US? All the videos seem to pronounce it sodder whereas I have only ever heard it pronounced solder or sowlder in the UK. In the US, the L is silent. Jon -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Surface-Mount
Hello gentlemen, the point is that the long o in solder is pronounced in US english like aw in a common process known as delabilisation or unrounding. This phenomenon is known in other languages, too, e.g. in Russian (eto is pronounced like eta). The same is true with lot or bother. As a consequence, the l is omitted in pronounciation. The British still speak an o as an o and keep the l alive. Peter Jon Elson schrieb: andy pugh wrote: On 2 January 2012 19:59, Mike Payson m...@dawgdayz.com wrote: Skillet/hotplate soldering works great for those situations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uov0SPHKcnk How do you spell Solder in the US? All the videos seem to pronounce it sodder whereas I have only ever heard it pronounced solder or sowlder in the UK. In the US, the L is silent. Jon -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
