Re: [-empyre-] concerning violence, and more Antigone's bones

2014-11-08 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Hi, to you all. This is my first post, having just dipped my toe on the middle of an discission. I would like to approach Alan's idea of anguish-- that language creates anguish, taking us away from a state of total dissolution, thereby

Re: [-empyre-] concerning violence

2014-11-08 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Jon, an interesting parallel between your post and the below passage which through some form tries to deal with the often visual spectacularity of modern violence, time and distance disappearing, the *there* collapsing into *here* through a

Re: [-empyre-] concerning Ayotzinapa, and more Antigone's bones

2014-11-08 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Johannes, Yest, I'm sure it is true. Isaac doesn't utter a single word. He is least gifted in speech in the Bible (perhaps along with Moses, the stutterer). Most Old Testament figures live half in silence, think of Job, with the exception

Re: [-empyre-] concerning violence

2014-11-09 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Olga, if it is O.K. with you (and the rules of empyre), I am posting the following passage in my poetry page Murat Nemet-Nejat on Facebook: First of all, I propose to look at each case of war conflict and violence separately

Re: [-empyre-] sample from today

2014-11-11 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
, progress, development, enlightenment, for them is education a deadly sin. Ana On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat mura...@gmail.com wrote: --empyre- soft-skinned space-- Ana, the kind of new structure without visible heads[, a] new kind of feudal

Re: [-empyre-] sample from today

2014-11-11 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
think his theory of the TAZ, temporary autonomous zones, is an interesting contribution to a new geography based more on the imaginary than on political borders. Ana Enviado desde Samsung Mobile Mensaje original De: Murat Nemet-Nejat Fecha:11/11/2014 18:22 (GMT-03:00

Re: [-empyre-] more and the question about performance

2014-11-16 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--SIS uses beheadings, other violent acts to crush civilians, UN report says Newsday - .5 hours ago. UNITED NATIONS -- Beheadings, stonings and mutilation are common weapons of terror employed by the Islamic State in its campaign to subdue

Re: [-empyre-] creative powerlessness, expressive violence, performance

2014-11-19 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
to it in our ‘privileged class of poetry’ ways (Murat) but she, the survivor, spent days with me and with the idea of the chorus, and the idea of language stained, disintegrating into lament. On Nov 18, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat mura...@gmail.com wrote: --empyre- soft-skinned space

Re: [-empyre-] introducing week 3

2014-11-22 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Aneta Stojnic aneta...@gmail.com wrote: --empyre- soft-skinned space-- Murat Nemet-Nejat mura...@gmail.com wrote: --empyre- soft-skinned space-- Welcome, Aneta. All through our discussions during the last weeks, I

Re: [-empyre-] introducing week 3

2014-11-22 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--...Alicia says when you paint or write the effect of your creation is often delayed, maybe long time later others see in it the value of the expressed Yes. The word maybe is the key. Perhaps of that uncertainty the symbolic act

Re: [-empyre-] introducing week 3

2014-11-22 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Perhaps the most powerful form of symbolic space is the plaza, from Tienanmen Square to Tahir Square to Maidan (which is a Turkish word) to Damascus to Taksim Square in Istanbul, to cite a few relatively recent examples, the symbolic action

Re: [-empyre-] introducing week 3

2014-11-23 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
drugged and thrown from airplanes to río de la Plata. We are still finding old bones in hidden graves. Ana Enviado desde Samsung Mobile Mensaje original De: Murat Nemet-Nejat Fecha:23/11/2014 02:42 (GMT-03:00) A: christina.spie...@yale.edu,soft_skinned_space Asunto: Re

Re: [-empyre-] introducing week 3

2014-11-23 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat mura...@gmail.com wrote: --empyre- soft-skinned space-- I was in Buenos Aires last year. I think there were still family members demonstrating at the plaza de Mayo. On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Ana Valdes agora...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [-empyre-] Wood, what calms (if one has the luxury of calming)

2014-11-24 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Good healing! On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:40 PM, simon s...@clear.net.nz wrote: --empyre- soft-skinned space-- good wood oud. thanks, Simon ___ empyre forum

Re: [-empyre-] Notes and a comment -

2014-11-25 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--...My own work carries failure in its heart, it helps some people (I hope) cope with the world - we all hope for that - it has no effect on the systemic, however In this sentence by Alan, I think, the most succinct crystalization of

Re: [-empyre-] discussion on track again

2014-11-26 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Ana, maybe it is because sexual images are easier to censure. The authorities create a code, as in the movies. Though they may occur as often, if not more, one should not forget *scenes* of violence are not shown in the United States, such

Re: [-empyre-] discussion on track again

2014-11-26 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
And Voltaire's long erotic and politcal poem about Jean d'Arc is also there, La Pucele d'Orleans. Ana On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat mura...@gmail.com wrote: --empyre- soft-skinned space-- Ana, maybe it is because sexual images are easier

Re: [-empyre-] discussion on track again

2014-11-26 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Christina, much of our American culture also arose from the cultural extermination of the American Indians (which luckily did not occur with the black culture) rather than integrating that culture into the American mainstream, an

Re: [-empyre-] nothing gives - mathematical reality of biopolitical implants

2014-11-26 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Simon, how internet businesses (from Facebook to younameit) are monetized give the underlying malevolent dynamic in the web. The populace is given candy, a product for them to enjoy, whereas themselves (their psyche) are the product sold

Re: [-empyre-] discussion on track again

2014-11-26 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
. The list goes on... Recently I discovered to my utter surprise that Myrna Loy, the very essence of urban sophistication, had Native Indian roots. On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat mura...@gmail.com wrote: Christina, much of our American culture also arose from the cultural

Re: [-empyre-] Lobal Gestures

2014-12-10 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Hola Ricardo, One thing Putin did in response to the sanctions by the United States is to force MacDonald places to shut down for health violations in Russia, or ISIL wants to shut down all western institutions, or someone blowing

Re: [-empyre-] Social Media Use across Campaigns for Social Justice

2014-12-10 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--David's analysis equating electronic medium to power, rather than to justice or freedom, is the point I was driving at also. Murat On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:04 AM, David Golumbia dgolum...@gmail.com wrote: --empyre- soft-skinned

Re: [-empyre-] Lobal Gestures

2014-12-10 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Since the historical importance of the electronic media in its various incarnations derives from a tripod, communication, information, control, an analysis of ideas (as parts of communication and information) is essential. I may be in the

Re: [-empyre-] social media and scholarship

2014-12-12 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--David, along with John Cayley's, yours is the most ludic analysis of social media, and its selling itself, I have heard. Thank you. Murat On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 3:19 PM, David Golumbia dgolum...@gmail.com wrote: --empyre-

Re: [-empyre-] Social Media Use across Campaigns for Social Justice

2014-12-12 Thread Murat Nemet-Nejat
--empyre- soft-skinned space--John, I am glad to read what you have written. I was feeling more and more like a Luddite in my jaundiced view of social media, in my belief that the power of this media is much more towards evil than good. Ciao, Murat On Thu, Dec 11, 2014