Re: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for TLS-based EAP types and TLS 1.3

2022-03-11 Thread Alan DeKok
On Mar 11, 2022, at 5:53 AM, Karri Huhtanen wrote: > Heikki clarified that this was about the phase1 so the use case in my > previous email and below does not apply. Yes. TLS 1.3 encrypts the client certificate, so there's no need to "hide" EAP-TLS inside of another EAP method. It probab

Re: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for TLS-based EAP types and TLS 1.3

2022-03-11 Thread Karri Huhtanen
On 11.3.2022 9.38, Karri Huhtanen wrote: On 4.3.2022 21.44, Alan DeKok wrote: On Mar 4, 2022, at 1:48 PM, Heikki Vatiainen wrote: Would it be useful to clarify the use of protected success indication, TLS application data 0x00, with resumption. I'm mainly thinking of EAP-TTLS which can end re

Re: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for TLS-based EAP types and TLS 1.3

2022-03-10 Thread Karri Huhtanen
On 4.3.2022 21.44, Alan DeKok wrote: On Mar 4, 2022, at 1:48 PM, Heikki Vatiainen wrote: Would it be useful to clarify the use of protected success indication, TLS application data 0x00, with resumption. I'm mainly thinking of EAP-TTLS which can end resumption very quickly. For example, this

Re: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for TLS-based EAP types and TLS 1.3

2022-03-08 Thread Heikki Vatiainen
On Mon, 7 Mar 2022 at 17:45, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: > Maybe it is a terminology issue but TLS at least requires > server-authentication. > Terminology issue, I think. By "only client certificate" I'm thinking of what a client needs to do to authenticate. The use of server-authentication with s

Re: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for TLS-based EAP types and TLS 1.3

2022-03-07 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
Maybe it is a terminology issue but TLS at least requires server-authentication. From: Emu On Behalf Of Heikki Vatiainen Sent: Monday, March 7, 2022 2:41 PM To: Alan DeKok Cc: EMU WG Subject: Re: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for TLS-based EAP types and TLS 1.3 On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 at 21:44

Re: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for TLS-based EAP types and TLS 1.3

2022-03-07 Thread Alan DeKok
On Mar 7, 2022, at 8:40 AM, Heikki Vatiainen wrote: > I suggest for this document that we just forbid the case of using only a > client certificate with TTLS. > > No objection from me - and it now appears to be in draft version -05. While > there may have been client software that supported t

Re: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for TLS-based EAP types and TLS 1.3

2022-03-07 Thread Heikki Vatiainen
On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 at 21:44, Alan DeKok wrote: > I would argue that EAP-TTLS with only a client certificate doesn't make > sense. I'm not sure why it's in RFC 5281. If you want to only use a > client certificate, you should just use EAP-TLS. > > I suggest for this document that we just for

Re: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for TLS-based EAP types and TLS 1.3

2022-03-04 Thread Alan DeKok
On Mar 4, 2022, at 1:48 PM, Heikki Vatiainen wrote: > Would it be useful to clarify the use of protected success indication, TLS > application data 0x00, with resumption. I'm mainly thinking of EAP-TTLS which > can end resumption very quickly. For example, this EAP-TTLS resumption > sequence di

Re: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for TLS-based EAP types and TLS 1.3

2022-03-04 Thread Heikki Vatiainen
On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 at 19:18, Joseph Salowey wrote: This is a working group last call for TLS-based EAP types and TLS 1.3. The > document is available here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-emu-tls-eap-types/ > > Please review the document and provide comments by March 4, 2022 > Woul

Re: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for TLS-based EAP types and TLS 1.3

2022-02-22 Thread Alan DeKok
On Feb 21, 2022, at 9:30 AM, Jan-Frederik Rieckers wrote: > I have found some small typos. Thanks. I've fixed them all. I'll issue a new version at the end of the WGLC. Alan DeKok. ___ Emu mailing list Emu@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailm

Re: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for TLS-based EAP types and TLS 1.3

2022-02-21 Thread Jan-Frederik Rieckers
Hi to all, I have found some small typos. Section 2.4: > There no "context_value" ([RFC8446] Section 7.5) passed to the TLS- > Exporter function. I suppose an "is" is missing. Section 3: At the end of the 6th paragraph > completely bypass the "inner tunnel" authentication a dot is missing

Re: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for TLS-based EAP types and TLS 1.3

2022-02-21 Thread Alan DeKok
On Feb 21, 2022, at 4:26 AM, Oleg Pekar wrote: > 1) Section: 2.1. Key Derivation >When talking about EAP types "Type = value of the EAP Method type" suggest > providing an example of a Type here so it will be clear what is it about for > the rest of the document (e.g. for PEAP Type is 0x19)

Re: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for TLS-based EAP types and TLS 1.3

2022-02-21 Thread Oleg Pekar
Here are my two cents: 1) Section: 2.1. Key Derivation When talking about EAP types "Type = value of the EAP Method type" suggest providing an example of a Type here so it will be clear what is it about for the rest of the document (e.g. for PEAP Type is 0x19) 2) Here TLS-Exporter function is

Re: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for TLS-based EAP types and TLS 1.3

2022-02-20 Thread Alan DeKok
On Feb 19, 2022, at 12:07 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > > For TLS 1.3, the message authentication code (MAC) is compute with the HMAC > algorithm ... Sure, thanks. Alan DeKok. ___ Emu mailing list Emu@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/e

Re: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for TLS-based EAP types and TLS 1.3

2022-02-19 Thread Russ Housley
> On Feb 19, 2022, at 8:57 AM, Alan DeKok wrote: > >> - The MAC function in section 2.2 is not defined. I assume it should be >> HMAC. Suggestion: >> >> OLD >> For TLS 1.3, the hash function used is the same as the >> ciphersuite hash function negotiated for HKDF in the key schedule,

Re: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for TLS-based EAP types and TLS 1.3

2022-02-19 Thread Alan DeKok
On Feb 19, 2022, at 3:44 AM, John Mattsson wrote: > Comments: > > - The MAC function in section 2.2 is not defined. I assume it should be HMAC. > Suggestion: > > OLD > For TLS 1.3, the hash function used is the same as the > ciphersuite hash function negotiated for HKDF in the ke

Re: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for TLS-based EAP types and TLS 1.3

2022-02-19 Thread John Mattsson
"ciphersuite" (TLS uses the spelling cipher suite) "NewSessionTicketMessage" (NEW: NewSessionTicket message) Cheers, John From: Emu on behalf of Joseph Salowey Date: Friday, 18 February 2022 at 18:19 To: EMU WG Subject: [Emu] Working Group Last Call for TLS-based EA

[Emu] Working Group Last Call for TLS-based EAP types and TLS 1.3

2022-02-18 Thread Joseph Salowey
This is a working group last call for TLS-based EAP types and TLS 1.3. The document is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-emu-tls-eap-types/ Please review the document and provide comments by March 4, 2022 Thanks, Joe and Mohit ___