Re: [Enigmail] behaviour of enigmail 1.6 in Thunderbird 24.2.0
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 18.12.13 00:24, Philip Jackson wrote: On 17/12/2013 14:38, Anne Wilson wrote: On 15/12/2013 17:43, Philip Jackson wrote: 1. import public key : this seems to work and the imported key is immediately displayed in Kleopatra but not in Thunderbird key manager until Thunderbird is restarted This may not be entirely an Enigmail problem. I have seen exactly that behaviour in Linux over a long period, when KMail couldn't see newly imported signatures but Kgpg reported them. As with Thunderbird, it required a restart to see them, so I came to the conclusion that maybe the signature file is read once only, when starting up. Of course the reason could be something entirely different :-) Anne Olav's suggestion to try the 'Reload key cache' works fine. The newly imported 'sender key' is then displayed in the Key Manager. This also explains why in one of my cases, the option 'View key properties' under the 'Details' button did not do anything. Until the key cache is reloaded and the key info is present in the key manager, 'View key properties' does nothing - not even an error message. As soon as the key cache has been reloaded, 'View key properties' works correctly. Is there any error message in the Thunderbird Error Console (menu Tools Error console)? - -Patrick -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.22 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEVAwUBUrRY1ck25cDiHiw+AQiVJQgAwN4XEiaXNWmDKYW3ejWQ9CS1qnFCfC9r Jb62LoNZXhlxIi4S5raakFXOkJwni8InZXuWu5KT+TKCYh5DwabXqIITZCNo80lA 5JhhaGVJEGFlLZs+Xg9T2mmvfeGbzMH+YBKllTNXJkWxwWdyNqC/UjqdFDIZtgZF yaqE8UiA8QLJszIH3ExSleADG2YP896VHUweKLezIEODrAwx/XJbJq0FGKmsBxzd yrq8ESZs15dmNdQY052q4gH8ZYQJwQnyGbuCpYfz+tXLJ1ZpqbIWGnIpsn+jKwWH FPMHdnl8f07XeD+vNsyjVU2snky051K7OuB8vod+342UlirVaG5MwQ== =J6z2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] behaviour of enigmail 1.6 in Thunderbird 24.2.0
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15.12.13 18:43, Philip Jackson wrote: [...] Second Case : after the 'import public key' option has been used and the key is available in the key manager and appears to be valid but I have not yet set a trust level nor signed the key. Thunderbird displays a purple band with the message 'Error - signature verification failed; click on 'Details' button for more information.'The Details button provides 5 usable options : 1. 'OpenPGP security info': this gives a dialog box with 'Error - signature verification failed' which we already knew so not very helpful. 2. 'copy OpenPGP security info' - it doesn't do anything - doesn't copy anything to windows clipboard - presumably because nothing is known. 3. 'View key properties' : this doesn't do anything despite multiple tries. (note that if the key manager is opened from OpenPGP/Key management, the subject imported key is visible provided that Thunderbird has been closed and restarted after import.) But Details button option 3 does nothing - no effect. 4. 'Sign sender's key' - this opens a dialog box which appears that it would work BUT why would one wish to sign a key where 'verification has failed' ? 5. 'Set owner trust of sender's key' : this opens a dialog box where the 'Key to trust' field is empty (you need to open key manager or Kleopatra to find the key ID) - but again, on what basis would you set a trust level for an unidentified key for which verification had failed ? This looks like a bug. Could I ask you to report a bug via https://sourceforge.net/p/enigmail/bugs/new/ Thanks, - -Patrick -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.22 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEVAwUBUrRZvsk25cDiHiw+AQgjxgf+IeNlerfo3MDPWA/YhO7dEwY0BL29t24B hyM2u7PDBJWmg/XjvD5Vo1wNk2Z1BDXf6X4B9pGaDfNt9n9D5cGghwd8gPSF5UUf HUH5QnBNIbLe6DdTSuADTtwUpDbuY6CgHF2iQCm4paFGHsah9H64Tjk85+iJaf1u +YO3m1oJHm97or+beWpWKa++DwtMTbBiyJaRno6ysE1mLvpe1xgFkSn++e/U3NbH zhDYu10e1DWfg4F7tOEjWD10BWNOabcsfdSUzOtFmsgQjreDRXZu6YKbnqpNS0Un wXSWtOJ49RdL2moCL3KA++pOwowjAoUrOObE2/fEAFYj67kID1zB8w== =CXxn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] behaviour of enigmail 1.6 in Thunderbird 24.2.0
On 20/12/2013 15:48, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: On 18.12.13 00:24, Philip Jackson wrote: On 17/12/2013 14:38, Anne Wilson wrote: On 15/12/2013 17:43, Philip Jackson wrote: 1. import public key : this seems to work and the imported key is immediately displayed in Kleopatra but not in Thunderbird key manager until Thunderbird is restarted This may not be entirely an Enigmail problem. I have seen exactly that behaviour in Linux over a long period, when KMail couldn't see newly imported signatures but Kgpg reported them. As with Thunderbird, it required a restart to see them, so I came to the conclusion that maybe the signature file is read once only, when starting up. Of course the reason could be something entirely different :-) Anne Olav's suggestion to try the 'Reload key cache' works fine. The newly imported 'sender key' is then displayed in the Key Manager. This also explains why in one of my cases, the option 'View key properties' under the 'Details' button did not do anything. Until the key cache is reloaded and the key info is present in the key manager, 'View key properties' does nothing - not even an error message. As soon as the key cache has been reloaded, 'View key properties' works correctly. Is there any error message in the Thunderbird Error Console (menu Tools Error console)? -Patrick Nothing found in the Thunderbird error console. I'm trying to read the enigmail debug file but it's quite difficult (in fact, quite a bugger) with lines that don't wrap. Copy and paste to a text editor needs returns and new lines put in manually. I'm still checking and I'll make a bug report over the weekend. Philip 0x23543A63.asc Description: application/pgp-keys ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] behaviour of enigmail 1.6 in Thunderbird 24.2.0
On 17/12/2013 14:38, Anne Wilson wrote: On 15/12/2013 17:43, Philip Jackson wrote: 1. import public key : this seems to work and the imported key is immediately displayed in Kleopatra but not in Thunderbird key manager until Thunderbird is restarted This may not be entirely an Enigmail problem. I have seen exactly that behaviour in Linux over a long period, when KMail couldn't see newly imported signatures but Kgpg reported them. As with Thunderbird, it required a restart to see them, so I came to the conclusion that maybe the signature file is read once only, when starting up. Of course the reason could be something entirely different Anne Olav's suggestion to try the 'Reload key cache' works fine. The newly imported 'sender key' is then displayed in the Key Manager. This also explains why in one of my cases, the option 'View key properties' under the 'Details' button did not do anything. Until the key cache is reloaded and the key info is present in the key manager, 'View key properties' does nothing - not even an error message. As soon as the key cache has been reloaded, 'View key properties' works correctly. This behaviour is probably worth a bug report on its own. (when I find out how to do so) before you do, please verify with the latest nightly build that this bug is still present and thus is endependent from the fix committed for bug #75. Olav I just tried again with 19 Dec nightly download 1.7a1pre and the behaviour is the same. With 1.6, I never found a usable option for 'view OpenPGP photoID' under the 'Details' button - it was always grayed out. With 1.7a1pre, sometimes it is there and it works. Other times it is grayed out but the photoID is present and can be viewed through the key manager. I can't spot any differences between the cases where the option is available and those where it is grayed out. Any ideas ? Philip 0x23543A63.asc Description: application/pgp-keys ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] behaviour of enigmail 1.6 in Thunderbird 24.2.0
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 15/12/2013 17:43, Philip Jackson wrote: 1. import public key : this seems to work and the imported key is immediately displayed in Kleopatra but not in Thunderbird key manager until Thunderbird is restarted This may not be entirely an Enigmail problem. I have seen exactly that behaviour in Linux over a long period, when KMail couldn't see newly imported signatures but Kgpg reported them. As with Thunderbird, it required a restart to see them, so I came to the conclusion that maybe the signature file is read once only, when starting up. Of course the reason could be something entirely different :-) Anne -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlKwU7kACgkQj93fyh4cnBefBQCeL1AjQODSVAo2rgCZe92MFH31 cYIAn2wbk0YV5R0r3diyC74CDWlt9gE5 =lxMo -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] behaviour of enigmail 1.6 in Thunderbird 24.2.0
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi Philip, 1. import public key : this seems to work and the imported key is immediately displayed in Kleopatra but not in Thunderbird key manager until Thunderbird is restarted this is not entirely related to your situation having just imported a key from a message, but if you open OpenPGP - key management, then in its file menu you'll find Reload key cache. Does this give you the same result as restarting TB in respect of the key availability? Olav - -- The Enigmail Project - OpenPGP Email Security For Mozilla Applications -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) Comment: Dies ist eine elektronische Signatur - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQGcBAEBAwAGBQJSsF6FAAoJEKGX32tq4e9WtbML/A5k8D2HNeQSE7Yh2GZqYoVN MBX4IUaZ8V+pHA57mXm6BMGO99zf0V3FwxGTd8FIxafr4CTFZNqAMgYgb5fAZoWR juQTwtWGLgNc/+ifYs/dEwRJaNYl3rTeLtqWo3RVNfn/jxzNvU/jLG5AC96btumI yDU/ceQKA+yjvPTBJFFUv2BH3j6P41tT/kse303jHtT+KWfpRfdYKCHNXmOKgEG4 E0edzJ05lAQG0PKJOtQKeiKE499pvycOMANHZPCoPY3zTf08qT9R03BtKrmx1uie /HeCCTEnDJiQyJFVMNRn801+buik6kcuuk2MKdnkPg1zMyrdg/lVGWgnFglMMnG9 1+6QP4GI4szQ7daa/Ckq3Jg8jblk3ig59HwXTbeI9U7+J6VwAUCrJUe6j3Aim/Dn k2alBdwBZ/RQrOMxcrxdfA/9ySrbQBcn3rF+86d2IzwPqO+CWnkT0R9n9vLIJ76n rSzVxxrQ5NxLmwEo01geDYL4LcVyEJUKrM1jA/ywKg== =NDQN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] behaviour of enigmail 1.6 in Thunderbird 24.2.0
Hi all, I thank you all (Daniel, Ludwig, Anne, Olav) for your comments on my note re: the Details button. I'll think about some suggestions for improving the messages given by Enigmail when the 'Details' button is solicited and then file a bug report. Anne - I should have added that I was using Windows 7 (not Linux). Ludwig - thank you for some of the additional info you provided. Olav - all languages have their little traps. I realise that enigmail generates the message but it is 'displayed in Thunderbird'. Thanks too for the tip about 'reload key cache' - I'll try that next time I import a key. Kleopatra does not need to be reloaded - the new key (downloaded through efforts of Enigmail) appears in Kleopatra before your eyes. Seasonal obligations mean that I'll need a little time to get back to you all. Philip On 17/12/2013 15:28, Olav Seyfarth wrote: Hi Philip, Because the bit about signing followed immediately after the key ID, I hadn't realised that it referred to message signature time/date. In that case, it would be clearer if the message header displayed in Thunderbird said : Part of the message signed; click on 'Details' button for more information Key ID: 0xXZXZXZXZ / Message signed on: 15/12/2013 18:29 first: thank you for your systematic writeup and well-stated objections second: note that it's not TB that does things (see TB said above), but EM. third: please file a bug, even for such little things as wording, since it will be forgotten otherwise. Olav ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net This message has been processed by Firetrust Benign. 0x23543A63.asc Description: application/pgp-keys ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
