Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-22 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:01:42 -0700 Ben Rockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:13:53 -0500 "Sthithaprajna Garapaty" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > > >> No Mambo. No Joomla. > > > > why? > > I have to admit that I've never se

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-22 Thread Ben Rockwood
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:13:53 -0500 "Sthithaprajna Garapaty" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > >> No Mambo. No Joomla. > > why? I have to admit that I've never seen a CMS I actually like, mostly because the pages look more like a hodge-podge of articles rath

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-22 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:13:53 -0500 "Sthithaprajna Garapaty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > No Mambo. No Joomla. why? > On 9/22/06, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 06:57:13 +0200 Jochen Maes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > babbled: > > > > there's also it

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-22 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:34:55 -0300 Andres Blanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > I honestly don't see the need of having *everything* integrated, except for a > unified authentication system and maintenance > > I see the need of an agile way of update information on the website (a wiki), > exchan

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-22 Thread Andres Blanc
I honestly don't see the need of having *everything* integrated, except for a unified authentication system and maintenance I see the need of an agile way of update information on the website (a wiki), exchange opinions and support (a forum), and a formal channel for users to present problems t

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-22 Thread Sthithaprajna Garapaty
No Mambo. No Joomla. On 9/22/06, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 06:57:13 +0200 Jochen Maes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > there's also its alter-ego fork "joomla!" :) > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Carsten Haitzler

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-22 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 06:57:13 +0200 Jochen Maes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: there's also its alter-ego fork "joomla!" :) > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:24:42 -0400 Michael Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > b

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-21 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:24:42 -0400 Michael Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Friday, 22 September 2006, at 07:29:22 (+0900), > Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > ok - something that covers 2 or our 3 major needs (web pages + docs, > > forums, bug tracker) > > You? Want a bug tracker? Serio

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-21 Thread Michael Jennings
On Thursday, 21 September 2006, at 16:08:08 (-0700), Justin Patrin wrote: > Be careful. Last I used TikiWiki it was a mess code-wise. Lots of > places for security holes to pop up and a wiki rendering engine that > was pure spaghetti. It may have gotten better in the year or so > since I last used

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-21 Thread Michael Jennings
On Friday, 22 September 2006, at 07:29:22 (+0900), Carsten Haitzler wrote: > ok - something that covers 2 or our 3 major needs (web pages + docs, > forums, bug tracker) You? Want a bug tracker? Seriously? I think Hell may have just frozen over. TW does have a task manager, but it's not very g

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-21 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:47:14 -0700 Ben Rockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:58:14 -0400 Michael Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > babbled: > > > > > >> On Thursday, 21 September 2006, at 15:23:15 (+0900), > >> Carsten Haitzler

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-21 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:07:41 -0700 Ben Rockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Andrew Williams wrote: > > Using your preferred method "fixing" would require giving CVS write > > access (and a CVS tutorial for the non-coders) to every person who > > asked. Seems to me like a non-solution. > > >

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-21 Thread Justin Patrin
On 9/21/06, Ben Rockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Jennings wrote: > > On Thursday, 21 September 2006, at 15:23:15 (+0900), > > Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > > > >> does anyone know of something that does the whole list of things we > >> have mentioned we need - in one package that is so

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-21 Thread Ben Rockwood
Andrew Williams wrote: > Using your preferred method "fixing" would require giving CVS write > access (and a CVS tutorial for the non-coders) to every person who > asked. Seems to me like a non-solution. > To be clear, I'm not saying XSM sucks or doesn't work... but I think its undeniable that

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-21 Thread Ben Rockwood
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:58:14 -0400 Michael Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > babbled: > > >> On Thursday, 21 September 2006, at 15:23:15 (+0900), >> Carsten Haitzler wrote: >> >> >>> does anyone know of something that does the whole list of things we

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-21 Thread Ben Rockwood
Michael Jennings wrote: > On Thursday, 21 September 2006, at 15:23:15 (+0900), > Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > >> does anyone know of something that does the whole list of things we >> have mentioned we need - in one package that is solid and easy to >> use, reliable, efficient, secure etc.? >>

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-21 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:58:14 -0400 Michael Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Thursday, 21 September 2006, at 15:23:15 (+0900), > Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > does anyone know of something that does the whole list of things we > > have mentioned we need - in one package that is solid and

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-21 Thread CGA
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Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-21 Thread Michael Jennings
On Thursday, 21 September 2006, at 15:23:15 (+0900), Carsten Haitzler wrote: > does anyone know of something that does the whole list of things we > have mentioned we need - in one package that is solid and easy to > use, reliable, efficient, secure etc.? TikiWiki is one I use for a couple sites.

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-21 Thread Michael Jennings
On Thursday, 21 September 2006, at 03:37:11 (+0200), Cristalle Azundris Sabon wrote: > I'm not convinced that's the case, really, but if it were, wouldn't > that be his prerogative? This is volunteer work, presumably done > for fun, and that's that. Agreed 100%. Ben is certainly entitled to his

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-21 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:01:49 +0100 Andrew Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 16:59 -0700, Ben Rockwood wrote: > > Michael, chill. Lets look at the facts shall we: > > > > 1) Since moving to XSM updates have almost complete stopped. The > > changes in the last 2 years

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-21 Thread Andrew Williams
On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 16:59 -0700, Ben Rockwood wrote: > Michael, chill. Lets look at the facts shall we: > > 1) Since moving to XSM updates have almost complete stopped. The > changes in the last 2 years are all trivial. (Minus the redesign work.) This has nothing to do with XSM as far as I c

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-20 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:59:10 -0700 Ben Rockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: well the plan for now is dependent on when e.org moves. what i have noticed is we have a fairly big "i dont like xsm" camp. the biggest complaints are ui and speed. frankly adding a news item should take no more than 5 s

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-20 Thread Brian Miculcy
I don't know which xsm version e.org runs, nor if the slowness is because of the machine. But as i use xsm for the get-e.org maintaince i can say that is has been speeded up a lot since my first contact one year ago. 30 minutes for a simple news post is really not acceptable - but on get-e.org it i

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-20 Thread Michael Jennings
On Wednesday, 20 September 2006, at 16:59:10 (-0700), Ben Rockwood wrote: > 1) Since moving to XSM updates have almost complete stopped. The > changes in the last 2 years are all trivial. (Minus the redesign work.) I'm trying to forget the past transgressions that may have occurred and focus on

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-20 Thread Ben Rockwood
Michael Jennings wrote: > On Wednesday, 20 September 2006, at 10:51:36 (-0700), > Ben Rockwood wrote: > > >> I've made it clear over the years that so long as we're using >> Rectang XSM I won't touch the site. I used it a couple of times and >> the frustration, speed, and capabilities of XSM ar

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-20 Thread Michael Jennings
On Wednesday, 20 September 2006, at 10:51:36 (-0700), Ben Rockwood wrote: > I've made it clear over the years that so long as we're using > Rectang XSM I won't touch the site. I used it a couple of times and > the frustration, speed, and capabilities of XSM are totally > inexcusable. I have a gr

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-20 Thread Ben Rockwood
Hey Guys, Sorry I've been away for so long. I'm still here, just in hiding. I just wanted to chime in that I am fully willing to redo the site and do what needs to be done to get that horrible pile of crap (90% of which I wrote and hasn't been changing in 2+ years) fixed. I've made it clear o

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-17 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:20:59 -0300 Andres Blanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: and what about the rest of it? so we have yet another independent piece of code/site that doesn't work with the rest :( we need to at least scout for something that offers all of what we need - OR we modify what we have t

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-16 Thread Andres Blanc
I would recommend against Drupal for forums, they don't look good, they lack basic functionality in many browsers, the search function doesn't work very well, and yet remain complex to maintain. My recomendation would be RForum (http://rforum.andreas-s.net/rforum). That merges the froum with the

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-15 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:32:00 +0100 Andrew Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: OK - I have been waiting for the dust to settle (too much email to handle!) :) I will summarise what I think the WEBSITE needs (regular builds with errors are orthogonal to the WEBSITE - they can output web pages to b

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-13 Thread dan sinclair
On 13-Sep-06, at 9:38 PM, Kevin Brosius wrote: > dan sinclair wrote: >> >> >> >> On 13-Sep-06, at 8:04 PM, Kevin Brosius wrote: >> >>> dan sinclair wrote: Just thought of two more possible things for the site. >>> >>> I think you are going way overboard. :P >>> >> >> Maybe. We possibly

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-13 Thread Kevin Brosius
dan sinclair wrote: > > > > On 13-Sep-06, at 8:04 PM, Kevin Brosius wrote: > > > dan sinclair wrote: > >> > >> Just thought of two more possible things for the site. > > > > I think you are going way overboard. :P > > > > Maybe. We possibly don't want half the things that I've listed. I'm > ju

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-13 Thread dan sinclair
On 13-Sep-06, at 8:04 PM, Kevin Brosius wrote: > dan sinclair wrote: >> >> Just thought of two more possible things for the site. > > I think you are going way overboard. :P > Maybe. We possibly don't want half the things that I've listed. I'm just trying to work out what we do want. We have a

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-13 Thread Kevin Brosius
dan sinclair wrote: > > > Andrew Williams wrote: > > dan sinclair wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> Ok, haven't got a lot of responses (not that I gave it a huge amount > >> of time, I'm inpatent) but, a follow on email to what we want out of > >> the site. > >> > >> How do we get it. > >> > >> Lets u

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > I want to here what you like. I only want to hear it _once_. > > I _don't_ want to hear you bitch about what someone else likes. > > I want a pony. > I want a bicycle. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to s

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-13 Thread dan sinclair
Andrew Williams wrote: > dan sinclair wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Ok, haven't got a lot of responses (not that I gave it a huge amount >> of time, I'm inpatent) but, a follow on email to what we want out of >> the site. >> >> How do we get it. >> >> Lets us assume, for now, XSM is our CMS of choice. I

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-13 Thread Andrew Williams
dan sinclair wrote: > Hello, > > Ok, haven't got a lot of responses (not that I gave it a huge amount of > time, I'm inpatent) but, a follow on email to what we want out of the site. > > How do we get it. > > Lets us assume, for now, XSM is our CMS of choice. It will handle the > static pages for

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-12 Thread shadoi
dan sinclair wrote: > On 12-Sep-06, at 11:37 PM, David Seikel wrote: > >> On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:38:27 -0400 dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> 1- User forums. The easiest is to grab something previously created >>> and use that. There are two issues. >>> a) do we want to migrate data from ed

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-12 Thread dan sinclair
On 12-Sep-06, at 11:37 PM, David Seikel wrote: > On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:38:27 -0400 dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> The FAQ will be XSM. If we want to hook up for the user to download >> the faq to their system we can grab the .xml file XSM generates and >> post process if needed >

Re: [E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-12 Thread David Seikel
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:38:27 -0400 dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The FAQ will be XSM. If we want to hook up for the user to download > the faq to their system we can grab the .xml file XSM generates and > post process if needed We have two XML parsers in CVS, maybe we can make use of

[E-devel] Continuing the website saga

2006-09-12 Thread dan sinclair
Hello, Ok, haven't got a lot of responses (not that I gave it a huge amount of time, I'm inpatent) but, a follow on email to what we want out of the site. How do we get it. Lets us assume, for now, XSM is our CMS of choice. It will handle the static pages for all 'normal pages'. It will handle