Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-11-07 Thread Nick Hughart
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:27:37 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 14:06:34 +0200 hannes.janet...@gmail.com hannes.janet...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:42 AM, David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:17:10 -0700 Michael

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-08 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:44:51 +0200 Kim Woelders k...@woelders.dk said: On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 04:33:29 +0200, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 19:06:37 -0700 Michael Jennings m...@kainx.org said: On Thursday, 08 October 2009, at 11:51:32 (+1100), Carsten

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-07 Thread hannes.janet...@gmail.com
yes, Eterm becomes an override-redirect window when using borderless option with e17, so its window is not handled by the wm in any way. I commited a workaround that makes e17 pretend to be mwm so that Eterm use mwm hints for borderless mode instead of going override redirect. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-07 Thread David Seikel
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 14:06:34 +0200 hannes.janet...@gmail.com hannes.janet...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:42 AM, David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:17:10 -0700 Michael Jennings m...@kainx.org wrote: On Tuesday, 06 October 2009, at 23:43:58

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-07 Thread Michael Jennings
On Wednesday, 07 October 2009, at 11:42:54 (+1000), David Seikel wrote: Is this related to my reported problems with Eterm (and at least one other app) where iconify and maximise don't turn up in the E17 window menu when using borderless? From your description, it sounded like Eterm had a

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-07 Thread Michael Jennings
On Wednesday, 07 October 2009, at 14:06:34 (+0200), hannes.janet...@gmail.com wrote: yes, Eterm becomes an override-redirect window when using borderless option with e17, so its window is not handled by the wm in any way. I commited a workaround that makes e17 pretend to be mwm so that Eterm

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-07 Thread David Seikel
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:07:56 -0700 Michael Jennings m...@kainx.org wrote: On Wednesday, 07 October 2009, at 11:42:54 (+1000), David Seikel wrote: Is this related to my reported problems with Eterm (and at least one other app) where iconify and maximise don't turn up in the E17 window

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-07 Thread hannes.janet...@gmail.com
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Michael Jennings m...@kainx.org wrote: On Wednesday, 07 October 2009, at 14:06:34 (+0200), hannes.janet...@gmail.com wrote: yes, Eterm becomes an override-redirect window when using borderless option with e17, so its window is not handled by the wm in any

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-07 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:59:11 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com said: On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:07:56 -0700 Michael Jennings m...@kainx.org wrote: On Wednesday, 07 October 2009, at 11:42:54 (+1000), David Seikel wrote: Is this related to my reported problems with Eterm (and at least

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-07 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:40:13 -0700 Michael Jennings m...@kainx.org said: On Wednesday, 07 October 2009, at 14:06:34 (+0200), hannes.janet...@gmail.com wrote: yes, Eterm becomes an override-redirect window when using borderless option with e17, so its window is not handled by the wm in any

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-07 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:18:30 +1100 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:59:11 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com said: On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:07:56 -0700 Michael Jennings m...@kainx.org wrote: On Wednesday, 07 October 2009, at 11:42:54

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-07 Thread Michael Jennings
On Thursday, 08 October 2009, at 09:59:11 (+1000), David Seikel wrote: It has whatever E17 supplies as it's borderless border. To state my problem again - when Eterm has an E17 default border, the E17 window menu includes the iconify and maximise entries. When Eterm has the E17 borderless

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-07 Thread Michael Jennings
On Thursday, 08 October 2009, at 02:38:36 (+0200), hannes.janet...@gmail.com wrote: This has the downside that the window does not appear in window list and taskbar and window manipulation might be inconsistent with wm settings (just to complete the pros and cons). Yes, override_redirect

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-07 Thread Michael Jennings
On Thursday, 08 October 2009, at 11:51:32 (+1100), Carsten Haitzler wrote: ok. time to chime in. waaay waaay back... back in the early days. no one other than motif set those hints. many others understood them and did it so apps that asked for no borders got them, but NO ONE claims to be a

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-07 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 19:06:37 -0700 Michael Jennings m...@kainx.org said: On Thursday, 08 October 2009, at 11:51:32 (+1100), Carsten Haitzler wrote: ok. time to chime in. waaay waaay back... back in the early days. no one other than motif set those hints. many others understood them and

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-06 Thread Kim Woelders
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:54:54 +0200, Enlightenment SVN no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote: Log: check wm supporting hints for mwm: make borderless also work with window managers that do not pretend to be mwm Author: jeffdameth Date: 2009-10-05 16:54:53 -0700 (Mon, 05 Oct

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-06 Thread Michael Jennings
On Tuesday, 06 October 2009, at 21:52:42 (+0200), Kim Woelders wrote: It seems to me that you are making Eterm e17 compliant in stead of making e17 MWM hint compliant. I think he did that too. My thought was to make Eterm more EWMH compliant. Do you feel that this patch fails to accomplish

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-06 Thread Kim Woelders
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:27:38 +0200, Michael Jennings m...@kainx.org wrote: On Tuesday, 06 October 2009, at 21:52:42 (+0200), Kim Woelders wrote: It seems to me that you are making Eterm e17 compliant in stead of making e17 MWM hint compliant. I think he did that too. My thought was to

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-06 Thread Vincent Torri
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Kim Woelders wrote: On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:27:38 +0200, Michael Jennings m...@kainx.org wrote: On Tuesday, 06 October 2009, at 21:52:42 (+0200), Kim Woelders wrote: It seems to me that you are making Eterm e17 compliant in stead of making e17 MWM hint compliant. I

[E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-06 Thread hannes.janet...@gmail.com
yes, it says it is 'intended' to replace mwm hints, but NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE does not handle the borderless window case. following EWMH the wm must set hints it supports in _NET_SUPPORTED (http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/wm-spec-1.3.html#id2449322). This way apps can know that mwm hints are

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-06 Thread hannes.janet...@gmail.com
ok, looking through other window managers source setting mwm_hints in net_supported is not common. It seems window managers do not announce that they handle mwm hints in any special way. I'm going to remove my patch then.. still i think it's would be the correct way to handle it. There is still

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-06 Thread Michael Jennings
On Wednesday, 07 October 2009, at 01:52:47 (+0200), hannes.janet...@gmail.com wrote: ok, looking through other window managers source setting mwm_hints in net_supported is not common. It seems window managers do not announce that they handle mwm hints in any special way. I'm going to remove my

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-06 Thread Michael Jennings
On Tuesday, 06 October 2009, at 23:43:58 (+0200), Kim Woelders wrote: In my opinion the MWM hint is not related to EWMH, so I think all that is accomplished is to fetch a potentially rather large atom list which shouldn't contain the item being looked for :) My impression based on the IRC

Re: [E-devel] E SVN: jeffdameth trunk/eterm/Eterm/src

2009-10-06 Thread David Seikel
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:17:10 -0700 Michael Jennings m...@kainx.org wrote: On Tuesday, 06 October 2009, at 23:43:58 (+0200), Kim Woelders wrote: In my opinion the MWM hint is not related to EWMH, so I think all that is accomplished is to fetch a potentially rather large atom list which