Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Layout options in latest versions of FF

[Nick Boyce]

On 16 February 2018 at 23:31, Emma Humphries  wrote:

> https://mozilla.github.io/extension-finder/ is a searchable list of
> popular add-ons, and their suggested replacements if they
> haven't migrated to WebExtensions yet.

[OT] It'd be nice if that page would work when Noscript does not trust
the page content.  I don't know whether it's the two Javascript
libraries referenced at the bottom of the page, or the TEMPLATE
elements defined to hold "search" results, but unless I tell Noscript
to trust the page then there is *no content*.  I currently have 224
tabs open  Firefox 52.6ESR (Debian 8) just doesn't work with that
many tabs unless Noscript is watching my back.

HTML5 is spiffy and shiny but a simple HTML4 [gulp] table would work
with Ctrl_F.

Yes, I may well be a Luddite, but ... 224 tabs ... and no need to
reboot the PC for many days :)

Nick
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Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Layout options in latest versions of FF

[Emma Humphries]

Hi John,

https://mozilla.github.io/extension-finder/ is a searchable list of popular
add-ons, and their suggested replacements if they haven't migrated to
WebExtensions yet.

As for your other two questions, I'd need to hunt down if there are
enhancement requests under discussion about that.

Emma Humphries
Bugmaster and EPM, Firefox
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Bug_Triage

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 3:19 PM, John R. Sweet  wrote:

> Greetings Folks,
>
> We are holding firm with v. 52.5.3esr and not allowing any updates until
> some of the issues are resolved.  We have at least one important add-on in
> the old format.  I am talking with its developer, hoping that it will be
> brought up to the new standard.  I'm not sure about a couple of other
> add-ons.  Is there any way to find out whether these will work with the
> newer FF versions without doing the installation and then finding that some
> add-ons do not work?
>
> In addition to add-on issues, there are two important layout options that
> are missing from the latest versions.  Do the FF developers at Mozilla read
> this e-mail thread?  If not, how should I go about getting their attention
> so that these options can be restored?  Please see the attached screen shot.
>
> 1.  We want text buttons in the toolbar.  Everyone here reads and
> understands English.  We do not want inscrutable little icons when simple
> English words will serve better.  This is an option in all versions up to
> 56 but not in 57.
>
> 2.  The tab bar belongs /below/ the toobar, next to the pages that it
> represents, not separated from those pages by a misplaced toolbar.  This
> too is an option in versions up to 56 but not in 57.
>
> These should be easy fixes.  Please help me get this request to the
> developer.
>
> Thanks and Best Wishes,JRS
>
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Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Layout options in latest versions of FF

[James Pearson]

James Pearson wrote:
> 
> There was a thread on this list last month that mentioned a possible
> 'replacement' for Classic Theme Restorer see:
> 
>https://mail.mozilla.org/private/enterprise/2018-January/008360.html
> 
> That post stated:
> 
>> Apparently, the way forward is to alter the user CSS within the browser
>> profile directory. This obviously means that we'll have to figure out
>> the deployment en masse manually, but it might be closer to what you're
>> looking for: https://github.com/Aris-t2/CustomCSSforFx
> 
> I've just tried the 'classic' chrome examples with FF 60.0a1 and it
> looks like you can achieve close to what you want by uncommenting the
> following two lines in the userChrome.css file:
> 
>@import url(./css/tabs/tabs_below_titlebar_above_navigation_toolbar.css);
> 
>@import url(./css/toolbars/toolbar_mode_text.css);

I actually meant uncomment the line:

  @import url(./css/tabs/tabs_below_navigation_toolbar.css);

:-)

It looks like you can load these custom css files via an autoconfig cfg 
file - e.g. if you install the 'CustomCSSforFx' contents as the 
subdirectory CustomCSSforFx in your Firefox install directory/folder - 
to use the 'classic' css, add to your autoconfig cfg file:

// start
var ios = Components.classes["@mozilla.org/network/io-service;1"]
.getService(Components.interfaces.nsIIOService);

var sss = Components.classes["@mozilla.org/content/style-sheet-service;1"]
.getService(Components.interfaces.nsIStyleSheetService);

var userChrome = Components.classes["@mozilla.org/file/directory_service;1"]
.getService(Components.interfaces.nsIProperties)
.get("GreD", Components.interfaces.nsIFile);

userChrome.append("CustomCSSforFX");
userChrome.append("classic");

var userContent = userChrome.clone();

userChrome.append("userChrome.css");
userContent.append("userContent.css");

sss.loadAndRegisterSheet(ios.newFileURI(userContent), sss.USER_SHEET);
sss.loadAndRegisterSheet(ios.newFileURI(userChrome), sss.USER_SHEET);
// end

[I'm not a Firefox/javascript programmer - so there may be better ways 
of doing the above ... but it appears to work for me ...]

James Pearson
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Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Layout options in latest versions of FF

[James Pearson]

John R. Sweet wrote:
> 
> 1.  We want text buttons in the toolbar.  Everyone here reads and 
> understands English.  We do not want inscrutable little icons when 
> simple English words will serve better.  This is an option in all 
> versions up to 56 but not in 57.
> 
> 2.  The tab bar belongs /below/ the toobar, next to the pages that it 
> represents, not separated from those pages by a misplaced toolbar.  This 
> too is an option in versions up to 56 but not in 57.
> 
> These should be easy fixes.  Please help me get this request to the 
> developer.

There was a thread on this list last month that mentioned a possible 
'replacement' for Classic Theme Restorer see:

  https://mail.mozilla.org/private/enterprise/2018-January/008360.html

That post stated:

> Apparently, the way forward is to alter the user CSS within the browser
> profile directory. This obviously means that we'll have to figure out
> the deployment en masse manually, but it might be closer to what you're
> looking for: https://github.com/Aris-t2/CustomCSSforFx

I've just tried the 'classic' chrome examples with FF 60.0a1 and it 
looks like you can achieve close to what you want by uncommenting the 
following two lines in the userChrome.css file:

  @import url(./css/tabs/tabs_below_titlebar_above_navigation_toolbar.css);

  @import url(./css/toolbars/toolbar_mode_text.css);

James Pearson
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Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Layout options in latest versions of FF

[Paul Kosinski]

I agree *totally* with point #1 and #2!

Text labels on the toolbar are much more understandable than cryptic
icons. Also, the multi-language problem has long since been solved.

Tabs should not be forced to be on top! I am convinced that Google did
this in Chrome to de-emphasize the general purpose nature of computers
and imply that the Web -- i.e., Google and their services -- was *the*
important thing. 


On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:19:41 -0500
"John R. Sweet"  wrote:

> Greetings Folks,
> 
> We are holding firm with v. 52.5.3esr and not allowing any updates
> until some of the issues are resolved.  We have at least one
> important add-on in the old format.  I am talking with its developer,
> hoping that it will be brought up to the new standard.  I'm not sure
> about a couple of other add-ons.  Is there any way to find out
> whether these will work with the newer FF versions without doing the
> installation and then finding that some add-ons do not work?
> 
> In addition to add-on issues, there are two important layout options
> that are missing from the latest versions.  Do the FF developers at
> Mozilla read this e-mail thread?  If not, how should I go about
> getting their attention so that these options can be restored?
> Please see the attached screen shot.
> 
> 1.  We want text buttons in the toolbar.  Everyone here reads and
> understands English.  We do not want inscrutable little icons when
> simple English words will serve better.  This is an option in all
> versions up to 56 but not in 57.
> 
> 2.  The tab bar belongs /below/ the toobar, next to the pages that it
> represents, not separated from those pages by a misplaced toolbar.
> This too is an option in versions up to 56 but not in 57.
> 
> These should be easy fixes.  Please help me get this request to the
> developer.
> 
> Thanks and Best Wishes,JRS
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[Mozilla Enterprise] Layout options in latest versions of FF

[John R. Sweet]

Greetings Folks,

We are holding firm with v. 52.5.3esr and not allowing any updates until some 
of the issues are resolved.  We have at least one important add-on in the old 
format.  I am talking with its developer, hoping that it will be brought up to 
the new standard.  I'm not sure about a couple of other add-ons.  Is there any 
way to find out whether these will work with the newer FF versions without 
doing the installation and then finding that some add-ons do not work?

In addition to add-on issues, there are two important layout options that are 
missing from the latest versions.  Do the FF developers at Mozilla read this 
e-mail thread?  If not, how should I go about getting their attention so that 
these options can be restored?  Please see the attached screen shot.

1.  We want text buttons in the toolbar.  Everyone here reads and understands 
English.  We do not want inscrutable little icons when simple English words 
will serve better.  This is an option in all versions up to 56 but not in 57.

2.  The tab bar belongs /below/ the toobar, next to the pages that it 
represents, not separated from those pages by a misplaced toolbar.  This too is 
an option in versions up to 56 but not in 57.

These should be easy fixes.  Please help me get this request to the developer.

Thanks and Best Wishes,JRS
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