I don't like them too but sometimes, their use is more appropriate. Like
readability and being less verbose.
From: J Decker
Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 6:50:26 PM
To: Ed Saleh
Cc: es-discuss@mozilla.org
Subject: Re: Optional Curly Braces in JavaScript
> *From:* Ed Saleh
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 3, 2019 4:08:37 PM
> *To:* Bergi ; es-discuss@mozilla.org <
> es-discuss@mozilla.org>
> *Subject:* Re: Optional Curly Braces in JavaScript
>
> Ok, no problem. I know the committee doesn't add features easily, but
> C# had these feature but still the scientific community went for
> Python and not C#.
C# is a explicitly compiled language. And a Windows language. (Mono is
irrelevant, it would be a huge dependency.)
Next?
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of Sanford Whiteman
Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 4:23:32 PM
To: es-discuss@mozilla.org
Subject: Re: Optional Curly Braces in JavaScript
> People are more inclined to go for readable and less verbose
> languages
You keep saying that's *the reason* scientific and data-scientific
community prefers
> People are more inclined to go for readable and less verbose
> languages
You keep saying that's *the reason* scientific and data-scientific
community prefers Python but haven't provided evidence, continuing to
sidestep:
● Python's intrinsic support for large numbers
● Python's strong
The TC39 efforts are already quite diluted to add major changes to the
language which, no offense, don't really add anything of value.
OP if you really want a whitespaced language for the browser check Imba:
https://www.imba.io/
It's not only a programming language but also a React replacement.
, November 3, 2019 4:11:10 PM
To: Bergi ; es-discuss@mozilla.org
Subject: Re: Optional Curly Braces in JavaScript
Yes, I know JavaScript is influenced by the C syntax family, which is my
favorite style. However, what I pushed for here is kind of merging of 2
programming languages families. We here
Saleh
Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 4:08:37 PM
To: Bergi ; es-discuss@mozilla.org
Subject: Re: Optional Curly Braces in JavaScript
Ok, no problem. I know the committee doesn't add features easily, but starting
a discussion is a good first step.
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@Bergi: Thanks. This is true only as long as the semantics of significant-
whitespace blocks are supposed to stay exactly the same as the semantics of
braced blocks. If this proposal is purely syntactical, you are right, but
then, I would fail to see the point of this endeavor.
@Ed: Maybe
Ok, no problem. I know the committee doesn't add features easily, but starting
a discussion is a good first step.
From: es-discuss on behalf of Bergi
Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 4:05:36 PM
To: es-discuss@mozilla.org
Subject: Re: Optional Curly Braces
Hi!
> If it's possible in JavaScript to have `:`, and enable significant spacing,
> that would be great.
>
> Why you don't *want* to?
Your argument for significant whitespace seems to be that the simplicity
of Python is great. However, adding an alternative block syntax to
JavaScript would fail
()}`. The brace less idea is building on the
former.
Thank you,
From: es-discuss on behalf of kdex
Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 3:39:48 PM
To: es-discuss@mozilla.org
Subject: Re: Optional Curly Braces in JavaScript
Note that significant whitespace greatly
Hi!
> Note that significant whitespace greatly minimizes the yields of minification
Why would it? Nothing would prevent a minifier from changing significant
whitespace into braced blocks - just like today, they omit semicolons
where possible and remove braces around single-statement blocks.
Ed Saleh
> Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 3:34:09 PM
> To: Bergi ; es-discuss@mozilla.org
> Subject: Re: Optional Curly Braces in JavaScript
>
> Why you don't *want* to? I didn't force you to like my proposal. I am just
> posting my ideas for feedback, not see who wan
Subject: Re: Optional Curly Braces in JavaScript
Hi Ed!
> Update to the proposal:
>
> Since we can't make spaces in JavaScript, the best we can do is use '_'
> instead.
You misunderstood. We *could* make use of significant whitespace in
JavaScript (enabled by the `:` instead of a
Subject: Re: Optional Curly Braces in JavaScript
Hi Ed!
> Update to the proposal:
>
> Since we can't make spaces in JavaScript, the best we can do is use '_'
> instead.
You misunderstood. We *could* make use of significant whitespace in
JavaScript (enabled by the `:` instead of a
Hi Ed!
> Update to the proposal:
>
> Since we can't make spaces in JavaScript, the best we can do is use '_'
> instead.
You misunderstood. We *could* make use of significant whitespace in
JavaScript (enabled by the `:` instead of a brace after a statement) -
we just don't *want* to.
That said,
Any identifier that can implement this feature is great.
From: es-discuss on behalf of Ed Saleh
Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 2:49:35 PM
To: Sanford Whiteman ; es-discuss
Subject: Re: Optional Curly Braces in JavaScript
If it's not possible to get around
If it's not possible to get around that, double underscore `__` or more `_{2,}`
can be used.
From: es-discuss on behalf of Ed Saleh
Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 2:47:13 PM
To: Sanford Whiteman ; es-discuss
Subject: Re: Optional Curly Braces in JavaScript
.
`1_000_000` rather than `100`, but here we have a context of numbers, not
expressions or statements.
From: es-discuss on behalf of Sanford Whiteman
Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 2:41:03 PM
To: es-discuss
Subject: Re: Optional Curly Braces in JavaScript
The single character
_
*is already a valid identifier* as Ron said.
And not an obscure one (not that that would matter) but rather *the
global object used by the Underscore library*.
You might as well be using
$
here and trying to convince people to stop using it as the top level
of
`,,`.
From: Ron Buckton
Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 2:12:23 PM
To: Ed Saleh ; Sanford Whiteman
; es-discuss
Subject: Re: Optional Curly Braces in JavaScript
The '_' isn't necessary for chaining expressions, as ',' would already suffice:
```
if (foo==2)
bar(),
bar2
019 10:48:12 AM
To: Sanford Whiteman ; es-discuss
Subject: Re: Optional Curly Braces in JavaScript
Update to the proposal:
Since we can't make spaces in JavaScript, the best we can do is use '_' instead.
We will also git rid of ':' after statement in the old version as '_' is enough
indication
To: Sanford Whiteman ; es-discuss
Subject: Re: Optional Curly Braces in JavaScript
Update to the proposal:
Since we can't make spaces in JavaScript, the best we can do is use '_' instead.
We will also git rid of ':' after statement in the old version as '_' is enough
indication and it's more compatible
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Subject: Re: Optional Curly Braces in JavaScript
> the only thing really missing (and which python has) is a builtin
> wasm-sqlite3 library (and specialized/secure file-api's to persist
> sqlite-db-blobs).
Browsers (WPWG, not this group) tried WebSQL. It failed because the
> the only thing really missing (and which python has) is a builtin
> wasm-sqlite3 library (and specialized/secure file-api's to persist
> sqlite-db-blobs).
Browsers (WPWG, not this group) tried WebSQL. It failed because there
wasn't a competitive bake-off with any other implementations _besides_
> Python is so broadly used in those fields due to good library support
javascript in modern browsers has good builtin-api support for most
ux-scenarios you can think of. the only thing really missing (and which
python has) is a builtin wasm-sqlite3 library (and specialized/secure
file-api's to
> I don't see any reason why Python is widely used in math and
> science…
Should talk to longtime Python peeps about it, it's not just "easy" or
they'd be using VB6!
Let me leave this here:
Python has had bignum (arbitrary precision Integers) since 2008.
Even before that, it had Long
nce, and
> specially AI, other than this reason. It's easy to write and prototype in.
> --
> *From:* Jordan Harband
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 2, 2019 9:23:31 PM
> *To:* Ed Saleh
> *Cc:* Bergi ; es-discuss ; kai
> zhu
>
> *Subject:* Re: Optional Cu
Subject: Re: Optional Curly Braces in JavaScript
I don’t think the obstacle to JavaScript becoming more widespread is mandatory
curly braces, nor do i think any part of python’s popularity is due to optional
curly braces.
Separately, how are you measuring “widespread”? One measurement might
for this specific reason, as it's easy to write for all
> types of people.
>
> Thank you all,
> --
> *From:* es-discuss on behalf of kai zhu <
> kaizhu...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 2, 2019 8:06:50 PM
> *To:* Jordan Harband
&g
es-discuss on behalf of kai zhu
Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019 8:06:50 PM
To: Jordan Harband
Cc: Bergi ; es-discuss
Subject: Re: Optional Curly Braces in JavaScript
unlike python, many [client-side] javascript programs require
rollup/minification into a single dist-file. removing curly br
unlike python, many [client-side] javascript programs require
rollup/minification into a single dist-file. removing curly braces (just
like asi) makes that task more difficult.
this is also why esm-import-statements were a terrible idea. ppl like me
would argue frontend-programs (which are
My preference would be to make them required in the places they're
currently optional :-)
Optional curly braces have led to many bugs, not just in JS (the "goto
fail" SSL bug, for example) - why is this risk worth making it easier to
write code on a whiteboard, where it doesn't need to be valid
Hello Ed!
> That would make JavaScript an easy to write on board language, where a
> language like python dominates because of it's simplicity in writing. This
> would make JavaScript spread into more areas in science, education and
> engineering.
You seem to not only want to make block
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