Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:47:22AM -0500, Linux Rocks! wrote: : : Several reasons (why I bought my Powerbook): : : : : 1. Ability to actually open Word documents people keep giving me : : without them getting annoyed when I tell them that OOo ate the thing. : : OOo sigh... OpenOffice was a disapointment to me. however abiword or even : kword work fine. : : Abiword may one day be the Linux word processor of choice. It's not : today, though. =( I have no complaints about abiword... works great for me. much better than OOo/StarOffice, but then I really dont use that type of software often... One factor is that I am a student. This means I get Word documents handed to me daily and I can't make excuses if my software isn't compatible with them. This means I actually have (igh) Word for Mac. It's an acceptable program actually and good enough that I tend to use it instead of Appleworks for that purpose. For the rest of Office, I usually use Appleworks or Keynote instead because ... well let's face it, Office is not exactly something Microsoft has a vested interest in seeing become too good or too useful on the Mac. I see Abiword as more akin to WordPad in Win32 than to Word, but then Linux needs a decent WordPad. Appleworks just feels too much like an old MacOS 9 program (because it basically is, just built with Carbon.) Little things like keyboard controls are missing, which suck for writing papers and the like. All the same, Abiword will probably find a place in my dock if it works out as well on the Mac as it was under Linux. I'd really like to see it running under a native GTK though, and I'm not sure it will be terribly useful without three buttons on my notebook, but still. well... I was thinking about DVD players mostly... every laptop Ive looked at recently has DVD (not RW), and CDRW, most are built in, but some are removable. The Dell (even the $600 one) did have many optical drive options (no extra charge) of DVDR, CD/DVD, CDRW, or CD. I think the DVDR was 4x, CD/ DVD was 24x RW, 8x DVD read I think. anyway you get the picture... I have a hard time accepting that there is no extra charge given that the choice then would be DVD+-RW, just as it would be for a desktop. (The drives are getting cheaper on the desktop - cheaper enough that that IS the standard choice for a new machine anymore.) Dell and Gateway typically offer DVD or CDRW for a fixed price, a combo drive for more. Burning DVDs is not something I've seen even as an option on non-mac notebooks thus far, though given that the Mac has had them for a year, it's about time the PC makers innovate the first notebooks to offer them. ;) If you buy a laptop with removable optical drive bay, you can replace it with whatever comes out next year... or even use it as a extra battery slot, or floppy, ... many of the sub $1000 laptops are all in one units, with no removable drives, but not all. How comfortable the keyboard/pointer is probably a better reason to buy one laptop over another IMHO. That was one of the reasons why I bought the (more expensive) Powerbook. The iBook just didn't have as nice a keyboard. Avoid Gateway notebooks, their keyboards are crap. Dell too bad - pretty similar to the iBook. IBM is supposed to have better, though I haven't tried their latest models. Their older keyboards were better, but they were also substantially thicker than the current models. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2
On Sunday 16 November 2003 03:33 am, T. Joseph Carter wrote: : well... I was thinking about DVD players mostly... every laptop Ive : looked at recently has DVD (not RW), and CDRW, most are built in, but : some are removable. The Dell (even the $600 one) did have many optical : drive options (no extra charge) of DVDR, CD/DVD, CDRW, or CD. I think the : DVDR was 4x, CD/ DVD was 24x RW, 8x DVD read I think. anyway you get the : picture... : : I have a hard time accepting that there is no extra charge given that the : choice then would be DVD+-RW, just as it would be for a desktop. (The : drives are getting cheaper on the desktop - cheaper enough that that IS : the standard choice for a new machine anymore.) dell didnt have much details in the dropdown menu list... but I think the DVDR(w?) was a very low end one, if you chose dvd/cdrw, it was fairly decent (like 8xDVD, 24x cdrw), and the plain cd was 48 or 52x). I wasnt really looking for DVD+-RW for the laptop... but that doesnt mean they arent out there, I was primarily looking at new laptops w/warrently under $1k. with a laptop that price, a USB DVD burner would be a decent option. For the same cost of the mac laptop (non-student price), Im sure you can find them with the burner built in, but havnt looked. : If you buy a laptop with removable optical drive bay, you can replace it : with whatever comes out next year... or even use it as a extra battery : slot, or floppy, ... many of the sub $1000 laptops are all in one units, : with no removable drives, but not all. : How comfortable the keyboard/pointer is probably a better reason to buy : one laptop over another IMHO. : : That was one of the reasons why I bought the (more expensive) Powerbook. : The iBook just didn't have as nice a keyboard. Avoid Gateway notebooks, : their keyboards are crap. Dell too bad - pretty similar to the iBook. : IBM is supposed to have better, though I haven't tried their latest : models. Their older keyboards were better, but they were also : substantially thicker than the current models. I used an older IBM last summer, and even though it wasnt a fast computer, I did like the keyboard and display on it... it was arpox 300mhz, so its probably a few years old. nice key size, and action on the keys. the mousepad was decent too, but ive used better. I did find an averatec at staples, and like they key size, placement and action (except the puny space bar and hard to reach backspace). I found the mousepad way too far from the keyboard though... hard to use w/out completely taking your hands off the keys (ie using your thumb.) but other than that it was pretty nice, real light and thin, decent display. its kind of a small display, but then, its a small computer! Jamie : : ___ : EuG-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- ...Unix, MS-DOS, and Windows NT (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly). -- Matt Welsh ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]EFN mail questions...
Pat, Hey... so, I have 2 mail related questions Im also thinking anything with [big5] in the subject line I will want deleted... 1) Im tired of the spam :( so I would like the official delete spam filter for my .procmailrc 2) do I need to do anything to keep my efn mail? Jamie -- The linuX Files -- The Source is Out There. -- Sent in by Craig S. Bell, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:53:19AM -0500, Linux Rocks! wrote: : I have a hard time accepting that there is no extra charge given that the : choice then would be DVD+-RW, just as it would be for a desktop. (The : drives are getting cheaper on the desktop - cheaper enough that that IS : the standard choice for a new machine anymore.) dell didnt have much details in the dropdown menu list... but I think the DVDR(w?) was a very low end one, if you chose dvd/cdrw, it was fairly decent (like 8xDVD, 24x cdrw), and the plain cd was 48 or 52x). I wasnt really looking for DVD+-RW for the laptop... but that doesnt mean they arent out there, I was primarily looking at new laptops w/warrently under $1k. with a laptop that price, a USB DVD burner would be a decent option. For the same cost of the mac laptop (non-student price), Im sure you can find them with the burner built in, but havnt looked. Well, I can say that I've only used it twice, and have been near enough my G5 since getting it that I haven't been willing to wait (the G5's burner is a faster for writing and a lot faster for verifying), but if I need to write one in a pinch, it's nice to have. I guess the real reason for any mac was having the desktop apps for school without having to put up with windows to get them. The choice between a 12 iBook with combo drive and the (normally far more expensive) Powerbook came down to having the money for the Powerbook in one place at exactly the same moment as a limited supply of maxed out models became available at a price still unmatched elsewhere four months later, even though the model I bought is now obsolete (updated in September/October but anticipated in June when I bought the machine..) I used an older IBM last summer, and even though it wasnt a fast computer, I did like the keyboard and display on it... it was arpox 300mhz, so its probably a few years old. nice key size, and action on the keys. the mousepad was decent too, but ive used better. I prefer the stick on the even older IBMs. Back about 96 or so, IBM made a greyscale notebook - might have been a 486 or early Pentium designed for students. It was about the size of the average 12 notebook today, but it is 7 year old technology, so it's thick and heavy by modern standards. It had one thing going for it, though. I have only seen one notebook with a screen as sharp and crisp. The grayscale was very nicely lit and the lack of color allowed the screen to be very black when black or very white when white. Even some of the best three dot color screens today aren't that good, though the four dot color models may be. The problem is that the fourth dot is a white LED, so the things use a lot of power. Not many of them are likely to make it into notebooks until OLED becomes cheaper and replaces the white silicon LED dot. FWIW, the Samsung LCDs are some of the best for desktops - used both by Apple and a couple of other flat panel makers. They are the makers of the four dot LCDs, though that's what I have here. (I just have one serious backlight and a very dark black. As with all color LCDs though, black is only black when viewed from straight on. It tends to look more reddish and greenish from one side and more bluish and greenish from the other. Unless you use a black background, you don't notice. I did find an averatec at staples, and like they key size, placement and action (except the puny space bar and hard to reach backspace). I found the mousepad way too far from the keyboard though... hard to use w/out completely taking your hands off the keys (ie using your thumb.) I'd be interested in seeing one of these at some point, especially if they have a decent battery life. I was disappointed because the first serious-looking notebooks at that price point (the ones that you could get with Lindows on them) were using C3 processors (which are not exactly good performers, but are great on battery life) but still only had 2-3 hours battery life. The point of these machines is to be small and available when you don't have your desktop in front of you. It's reasonable to assume then that you should optimize for battery life and not for performance. Even if that means using embedded applications in place of full-featured ones, it'd be worth it. About the best you get on a single battery with most notebooks is 4 hours. (Note, with two battery slots, 7 hours seems more the average..) The goal though is to get 7 hours out of one battery and keep the weight below the 5lb mark. I was discussing Thursday night the prospect of a hypothetical subnotebook/PDA hybrid which would be about 3/8 thick and still have about 7 hours of battery life. Basically I've imagined the guts of a higher-end PDA in the form factor of a 12 notebook trimmed down too thin for the usual notebook ports (like ethernet..) May never actually get formally designed and less likely to get even a prototype built, but it has proven a fun
Re: [eug-lug]EFN mail questions...
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:38:28PM -0500, Linux Rocks! wrote: Pat, Hey... so, I have 2 mail related questions Im also thinking anything with [big5] in the subject line I will want deleted... 1) Im tired of the spam :( so I would like the official delete spam filter for my .procmailrc :0 * ^X-Spam-Level:.*\*\*\*\* /dev/null Note at least one of my mail providers uses @'s instead of *'s, and while I don't believe efn is the one that does, you might want that rule as well: 0 * ^X-Spam-Level:.*@ /dev/null ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]EFN mail questions...
actually on our system it's the recipe is :0 H * ^X-Spam-Status: [Yy][Ee][Ss] /dev/null although I would recommend keeping spam around for a week or so; spamassassin works about as well as swatting mosquitoes with an axe. On Sunday, November 16, 2003, at 01:33 PM, T. Joseph Carter wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:38:28PM -0500, Linux Rocks! wrote: Pat, Hey... so, I have 2 mail related questions Im also thinking anything with [big5] in the subject line I will want deleted... 1) Im tired of the spam :( so I would like the official delete spam filter for my .procmailrc :0 * ^X-Spam-Level:.*\*\*\*\* /dev/null Note at least one of my mail providers uses @'s instead of *'s, and while I don't believe efn is the one that does, you might want that rule as well: 0 * ^X-Spam-Level:.*@ /dev/null ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- You are the eventuality of an anomaly , which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. -The Architect Microsoft has resolved this issue. We have put processes in place to ensure there is no recurrence of this eventuality. -Microsoft ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]EFN mail questions...
Arg a quandry! I finally got a message that looks legitimate, but was tagged by spam assasin. I do get a lot of spam to my efn account, and am more than a little tired of deleting the stuff. SA seem to flag about 80% of the spam atleast, and this is the first time Ive noticed it flaggin a legitimate message (well, not positive its legit, but its from a legit company, and doesnt look forged or anything (or using yahoo,msn, aol, ...) Saving the spiced ham to a temp folder is an option, but I still would hve to go through and delete all (or nearly all) anyway! Jamie Thanks for the filter Larry, I think Ill dev null my spiced ham anyway Jamie On Sunday 16 November 2003 04:42 pm, Larry Price wrote: : actually on our system it's the recipe is : : :0 H : : * ^X-Spam-Status: [Yy][Ee][Ss] : /dev/null : : although I would recommend keeping spam around for a week or so; : spamassassin works about as well as swatting mosquitoes with an axe. : : On Sunday, November 16, 2003, at 01:33 PM, T. Joseph Carter wrote: : On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:38:28PM -0500, Linux Rocks! wrote: : Pat, : Hey... so, I have 2 mail related questions Im also thinking : anything with : [big5] in the subject line I will want deleted... : : 1) Im tired of the spam :( so I would like the official delete spam : filter for : my .procmailrc : : :0 : : * ^X-Spam-Level:.*\*\*\*\* : /dev/null : : Note at least one of my mail providers uses @'s instead of *'s, and : while : I don't believe efn is the one that does, you might want that rule as : well: : : 0 : * ^X-Spam-Level:.*@ : /dev/null : : ___ : EuG-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug : : -- : You are the eventuality of an anomaly , which despite my sincerest : efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a : harmony : of mathematical precision. -The Architect : Microsoft has resolved this issue. We have put processes in place to : ensure there is no recurrence of this eventuality. -Microsoft : : ___ : EuG-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- By the way, I can hardly feel sorry for you... All last night I had to listen to her tears, so great they were redirected to a stream. What? Of _course_ you didn't know. You and your little group no longer have any permissions around here. She changed her .lock files, too. -- Kevin M. Bealer, commenting on the private life of a Linux nerd ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]EFN mail questions...
Well, it worked. Now I should only get ONE copy. Thanks, Jamie PS: Got work? At 02:00 PM 11/16/2003, you wrote: Arg a quandry! I finally got a message that looks legitimate, but was tagged by spam assasin. I do get a lot of spam to my efn account, and am more than a little tired of deleting the stuff. SA seem to flag about 80% of the spam atleast, and this is the first time Ive noticed it flaggin a legitimate message (well, not positive its legit, but its from a legit company, and doesnt look forged or anything (or using yahoo,msn, aol, ...) Saving the spiced ham to a temp folder is an option, but I still would hve to go through and delete all (or nearly all) anyway! Jamie Thanks for the filter Larry, I think Ill dev null my spiced ham anyway Jamie On Sunday 16 November 2003 04:42 pm, Larry Price wrote: : actually on our system it's the recipe is : : :0 H : : * ^X-Spam-Status: [Yy][Ee][Ss] : /dev/null : : although I would recommend keeping spam around for a week or so; : spamassassin works about as well as swatting mosquitoes with an axe. : : On Sunday, November 16, 2003, at 01:33 PM, T. Joseph Carter wrote: : On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:38:28PM -0500, Linux Rocks! wrote: : Pat, : Hey... so, I have 2 mail related questions Im also thinking : anything with : [big5] in the subject line I will want deleted... : : 1) Im tired of the spam :( so I would like the official delete spam : filter for : my .procmailrc : : :0 : : * ^X-Spam-Level:.*\*\*\*\* : /dev/null : : Note at least one of my mail providers uses @'s instead of *'s, and : while : I don't believe efn is the one that does, you might want that rule as : well: : : 0 : * ^X-Spam-Level:.*@ : /dev/null : : ___ : EuG-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug : : -- : You are the eventuality of an anomaly , which despite my sincerest : efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a : harmony : of mathematical precision. -The Architect : Microsoft has resolved this issue. We have put processes in place to : ensure there is no recurrence of this eventuality. -Microsoft : : ___ : EuG-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- By the way, I can hardly feel sorry for you... All last night I had to listen to her tears, so great they were redirected to a stream. What? Of _course_ you didn't know. You and your little group no longer have any permissions around here. She changed her .lock files, too. -- Kevin M. Bealer, commenting on the private life of a Linux nerd ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.538 / Virus Database: 333 - Release Date: 11/10/2003 Jim Darrough, ARS KI7AY [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country John F. Kennedy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.538 / Virus Database: 333 - Release Date: 11/10/2003 ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]EFN mail questions...
On Sunday 16 November 2003 05:14 pm, Jim Darrough wrote: : Well, it worked. Now I should only get ONE copy. Cool... if theres a problem, let me know, I can remove/modify accounts. : : Thanks, Jamie : : PS: Got work? Never enough! Ive recently moved to the DC area... looking for part time work right now... something in the admin/website/graphics would be best, but not too picky right now! Jamie : : At 02:00 PM 11/16/2003, you wrote: : Arg a quandry! I finally got a message that looks legitimate, but was : tagged by spam assasin. I do get a lot of spam to my efn account, and am : more than a little tired of deleting the stuff. SA seem to flag about 80% : of the spam atleast, and this is the first time Ive noticed it flaggin a : legitimate message (well, not positive its legit, but its from a legit : company, and doesnt look forged or anything (or using yahoo,msn, aol, : ...) : : Saving the spiced ham to a temp folder is an option, but I still would hve : to go through and delete all (or nearly all) anyway! : : Jamie : : Thanks for the filter Larry, I think Ill dev null my spiced ham anyway : : Jamie : : On Sunday 16 November 2003 04:42 pm, Larry Price wrote: : : actually on our system it's the recipe is : : : : :0 H : : : : * ^X-Spam-Status: [Yy][Ee][Ss] : : /dev/null : : : : although I would recommend keeping spam around for a week or so; : : spamassassin works about as well as swatting mosquitoes with an axe. : : : : On Sunday, November 16, 2003, at 01:33 PM, T. Joseph Carter wrote: : : On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:38:28PM -0500, Linux Rocks! wrote: : : Pat, : : Hey... so, I have 2 mail related questions Im also thinking : : anything with : : [big5] in the subject line I will want deleted... : : : : 1) Im tired of the spam :( so I would like the official delete spam : : filter for : : my .procmailrc : : : : :0 : : : : * ^X-Spam-Level:.*\*\*\*\* : : /dev/null : : : : Note at least one of my mail providers uses @'s instead of *'s, and : : while : : I don't believe efn is the one that does, you might want that rule as : : well: : : : : 0 : : * ^X-Spam-Level:.*@ : : /dev/null : : : : ___ : : EuG-LUG mailing list : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug : : : : -- : : You are the eventuality of an anomaly , which despite my sincerest : : efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a : : harmony : : of mathematical precision. -The Architect : : Microsoft has resolved this issue. We have put processes in place to : : ensure there is no recurrence of this eventuality. -Microsoft : : : : ___ : : EuG-LUG mailing list : : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug : : -- : By the way, I can hardly feel sorry for you... All last night I had to : listen to her tears, so great they were redirected to a stream. What? : Of _course_ you didn't know. You and your little group no longer have : any permissions around here. She changed her .lock files, too. : -- Kevin M. Bealer, commenting on the private life of a Linux : nerd : : ___ : EuG-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug : : : --- : Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. : Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). : Version: 6.0.538 / Virus Database: 333 - Release Date: 11/10/2003 : : Jim Darrough, ARS KI7AY : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your : country John F. Kennedy -- The only intuitive interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned. -- Bruce Ediger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], on X interfaces ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]EFN mail questions...
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 03:38:28PM -0500, Linux Rocks ! wrote: Pat, Hey... so, I have 2 mail related questions Im also thinking anything with [big5] in the subject line I will want deleted... 1) Im tired of the spam :( so I would like the official delete spam filter for my .procmailrc I think Larry already posted about the X-Spam-Status: header. Note that this needs to be in the .procmailrc on pop.efn.org, not the legacy .procmailrc in your shell account home directory. You can FTP to pop.efn.org to modify your production .procmailrc. 2) do I need to do anything to keep my efn mail? No; mail originating inside efn.org is automatically whitelisted. -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]RPM Woes
Don't worry. I'm not defecting. This episode just confirmed for me that Slackware is still the best distribution for servers out there. This stupid Redhat glibc snafoo that sent me out there doesn't happen with Slack. I'v updated a few Slack 8.0 to 9.1 without this kind of issue. Yes. The system started whining about not finding glibc version just like Redhat did but it didn't die. I reboot them once or twice during the upgrade just to be sure the startup scripts still work. Some of them change. But Slack doesn't die. Redhat should make a good workstation if you have the extra hardware to drive it. You've seen that Slack is faster on the same hardware. Redhat 9.0's hardware detection is pretty good. It comes on 3 CDs and you will use all 3. Redhat has an Add/Remove Programs utility that makes it easy to adjust what you have installed from the CDs. I'm guessing there is a way to tell it where you want to install from but I haven't put much effort into finding where that is. So it doesn't do me much good here when the server is over there. Linux Rocks ! ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Traitor! hehe... just teasing... so... how is redhat 9? would you use it on your computer? Jamie On Saturday 15 November 2003 11:07 pm, Bob Crandell wrote: : Hi, : : Just thought I'd let you know, at least the ones who care (if there are : any), that reinstalling Redhat on a clean system went well. There were : only a couple of boo boos cause I can't tpye. I still stubbornly refuse to : like Redhat. : : Thanks for responding even if it wasn't what I wanted to hear/read. : : Bob : : -- : Assured Computing : When you need to be sure. : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.assuredcomp.com : Voice - 541-868-0331 : FAX - 541-463-1627 : Eugene, Oregon : : : ___ : EuG-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Assured Computing When you need to be sure. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.assuredcomp.com Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 Eugene, Oregon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]EFN mail questions...
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:42:50PM -0800, Larry Price wrote: actually on our system it's the recipe is :0 H * ^X-Spam-Status: [Yy][Ee][Ss] /dev/null although I would recommend keeping spam around for a week or so; spamassassin works about as well as swatting mosquitoes with an axe. I've decided that a rating of five is spam, regardless of the setting on the host, hence my usage of the *'s. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]EFN mail questions...
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 04:04:13PM -0800, Patrick R. Wade wrote: 2) do I need to do anything to keep my efn mail? No; mail originating inside efn.org is automatically whitelisted. |From: Ima Scamartiste [EMAIL PROTECTED] |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: B U 5 1 N E 5 5 0 P P 0 R T U N 1 T Y | |Dear Sir or Madam, | |I am Ima Scamartiste, the wife of the late Dr. Fallfura Scamartiste. My |husband ... ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:34:44PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: The thing is, the PC ecosystem is broad, deep and complex. There are five vendors competing for every niche in it, from CPU to video card to case to the little screws that hold the PCI cards in. The Mac ecosystem is single source from top to bottom, exactly three products at any time, cleverly positioned so that only the top product has all the useful features. When Apple screws up -- ships a faulty/unreliable product, can't meet demand, or misses a development schedule, Mac users have no alternative. PC users just buy another brand. One is rain forest, the other is parking lot. The other thing is, the Mac has a closed, proprietary software architecture. Just like Windows. More so, in fact, since Apple owns it from the apps to the chips. The PC, especially with Linux or *BSD, is infinitely diverse. You always have choices, including the choice to rewrite it your way. (That's why we're FOSS zealots, after all.) Not exactly part of the Mac ecosystem, but there is http://pegasosppc.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
