Re: [EuroPython] conference length

2014-04-16 Thread Tom Viner
For those who prefer a shorter Python conference, may I recommend the excellent PyConUK in September (and presumably other "national" conferences - in quotes because there's a good spread of nationalities present in my experience). See http://2013.pyconuk.org/#Agenda for an idea of the schedule fro

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-16 Thread Valerio Maggio
Hi everyone. On 15 Apr 2014, at 16:03, Stefan Scherfke wrote: > > Am 2014-04-15 um 15:07 schrieb Hynek Schlawack : > >> - Having speakers have 3 slots is ridiculous, 2 should be a very rare >> exception. So ask them which talk is more important and there you have some >> free slots. > > I w

Re: [EuroPython] R: Re: conference length

2014-04-16 Thread John Pinner
Hello All, On 15 April 2014 20:46, roberto.polli wrote: > Right time to discuss: no. > Right Place to discuss: probably yes. In fact : NO! The correct place to discuss this is the europython-improve list, which was established specifically to discuss improving EuroPython, keeping the EP list fr

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks - a fix for EP14?

2014-04-16 Thread Roberto Polli
The thread is forking fastly: I suggest to move proposed patches to a new thread (this one?) and continue general discussion on the old one. We could even create a single thread for each of the following patch. A list follows. Peace, R. # Reopening C4P imho it's unfair against people who did t

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks - a fix for EP14?

2014-04-16 Thread Markus Zapke-Gründemann
The most important and urgent thing to do is IMHO to open the CfP again and to reach out to the communities than can help to get a more diverse program. Lynn proposed to get in touch with the global PyLadies organization for example. All the other things can be discussed later. Regards Markus _

[EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Filip Kłębczyk
Hello, I have two points: 1. I'm curious what are stats regarding nationality/country of attendees. 2. I've noticed that together with this year edition there are 13 EuroPythons, where: * 2 of them were located in former Eastern Bloc countries * 11 of them were located in Western Countries Hav

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Nicholas H.Tollervey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16/04/14 10:56, Filip K??bczyk wrote: > Hello, > > I have two points: 1. I'm curious what are stats regarding > nationality/country of attendees. 2. I've noticed that together > with this year edition there are 13 EuroPythons, where: * 2 of them >

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Nicholas H.Tollervey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16/04/14 11:43, Andreas Jung wrote: > > Am 16.04.2014 um 06:41 schrieb Nicholas H.Tollervey > : > >> >> >> I was wondering the same. Diversity in a cultural and geographic >> sense is important. Especially in such a cosmopolitan & >> multicultur

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Andreas Jung
Am 16.04.2014 um 06:41 schrieb Nicholas H.Tollervey : > > > I was wondering the same. Diversity in a cultural and geographic sense > is important. Especially in such a cosmopolitan & multicultural place > like Europe. > Diversity (where women are one part of the medal) is a process and can n

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-16 Thread Martijn Faassen
On 04/16/2014 01:24 AM, Laura Creighton wrote: In a message of Wed, 16 Apr 2014 00:26:59 +0200, Martijn Faassen writes: * Considering whether we want a self-selected democracy for anonymously selecting talks based on individual merits, or whether we want to involve other methods too. Say a small

Re: [EuroPython] R: Re: conference length

2014-04-16 Thread Martijn Faassen
On 04/16/2014 11:12 AM, John Pinner wrote: Hello All, On 15 April 2014 20:46, roberto.polli wrote: Right time to discuss: no. Right Place to discuss: probably yes. In fact : NO! The correct place to discuss this is the europython-improve list, which was established specifically to discuss i

Re: [EuroPython] conference length

2014-04-16 Thread Martijn Faassen
On 04/16/2014 10:24 AM, Tom Viner wrote: For those who prefer a shorter Python conference, may I recommend the excellent PyConUK in September (and presumably other "national" conferences - in quotes because there's a good spread of nationalities present in my experience). See http://2013.pyconuk.

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On 04/16/2014 11:56 AM, Filip Kłębczyk wrote: > Having in mind that there is gap disproportion between wealth level of > Western and Eastern Europe I'm curious if EPS or anybody feeling > responsible for EuroPython thinks about addressing that problem in future? You're suggesting active o

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Andreas Jung
Am 16.04.2014 um 08:27 schrieb Martijn Faassen : > Hey, > > On 04/16/2014 11:56 AM, Filip Kłębczyk wrote: > > Having in mind that there is gap disproportion between wealth level of > > Western and Eastern Europe I'm curious if EPS or anybody feeling > > responsible for EuroPython thinks about ad

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-16 Thread holger krekel
Hi Lynn, i am just one member of the programme committee of EP2014 but would like to share some information and my own perspective on the discussion and issues. We hopefully can arrange a committee meeting soon and can conclude on the path forward, also taking your suggestions into account. So th

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Aistė Kesminaitė-Jankauskienė
As far as I remember (and it's been a while) there was a lack of proposals in general at least in the beginning. So whoever was serious about organising EP could do it. Has this changed over the past years and is there any reason to believe that proposals are being approved or rejected according t

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Filip Kłębczyk
W dniu 16.04.2014 14:43, Andreas Jung pisze: The selection process has been always open afaik. Then where are all the proposals shown that were sent for 2014 and 2015 hosting? Where are the criteria that decided German proposal was better than the one from Belgium. In my opinion process is no

Re: [EuroPython] Lack of diversity within selected talks

2014-04-16 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey Holger, Thanks for your answer, it certainly helped clear up things for me about what was going on with talk selection - that as much as 50 slots were remaining was not clear, for instance. I also agree that the double blind selection process does not fit the goals of EuroPython so much --

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Filip Kłębczyk
W dniu 16.04.2014 15:34, Aistė Kesminaitė-Jankauskienė pisze: As far as I remember (and it's been a while) there was a lack of proposals in general at least in the beginning. Then read this mail: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2013-January/008195.html Learn a bit how process was

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Aistė Kesminaitė-Jankauskienė
Filip, what are you trying to achieve? I see a lot of negativity and pointing fingers. My email clearly said - in the begining. What is your point with all this, please tell. On 16 Apr 2014 16:59, "Filip Kłębczyk" wrote: > W dniu 16.04.2014 15:34, Aistė Kesminaitė-Jankauskienė pisze: > >> As far

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Filip Kłębczyk
W dniu 16.04.2014 16:16, Aistė Kesminaitė-Jankauskienė pisze: Filip, what are you trying to achieve? I see a lot of negativity and pointing fingers. My email clearly said - in the begining. What is your point with all this, please tell. The topic was about future EuroPythons and that maybe more

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Troy Howard
I recently organized a conference in Budapest (Write The Docs EU). I can confirm that it's a great city to hold a conference in. Cheap lodging/food, lots of fun local culture outside of the conference, and easy to get to from all over Europe. Also, I felt safe and welcomed there as a native English

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Andreas Jung
Am 16.04.2014 um 09:52 schrieb Filip Kłębczyk : > W dniu 16.04.2014 14:43, Andreas Jung pisze: >> The selection process has been always open afaik. > > Then where are all the proposals shown that were sent for 2014 and 2015 > hosting? Where are the criteria that decided German proposal was bett

Re: [EuroPython] Diversity of attendees

2014-04-16 Thread Steve Barnes
On 16/04/14 18:22, Troy Howard wrote: I recently organized a conference in Budapest (Write The Docs EU). I can confirm that it's a great city to hold a conference in. Cheap lodging/food, lots of fun local culture outside of the conference, and easy to get to from all over Europe. Also, I felt s