Re: [EVDL] MIT: Why the electric-car revolution may take a lot longer than expected

2019-11-20 Thread Paul Compton via EV
The materials in a Lead acid battery are up to 98% recyclable. That is not same as 98% of Lead acid batteries being recycled. On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 21:57, Bill Dube via EV wrote: > > The ~50% recycled percentage is steady-state. Same for 80% of raw > lead going into battery production.

Re: [EVDL] MIT: Why the electric-car revolution may take a lot longer than expected

2019-11-20 Thread Bill Dube via EV
    The ~50% recycled percentage is steady-state. Same for 80% of raw lead going into battery production. These percentages have not changed substantially for 50 years. (The percentage of raw lead going into battery production has actually grown to more than 85% in recent years.)     In order

Re: [EVDL] MIT: Why the electric-car revolution may take a lot longer than expected

2019-11-20 Thread Mr. Sharkey via EV
> More to the point, lead-acid batteries are not recycled at "nearly 100%" as > claimed. If you look at the numbers provided by the lead industry itself, at > _least_ 30% of them escape the recycling stream Hopefully, whoever does this sort of bean counting took into account the number of

Re: [EVDL] MIT: Why the electric-car revolution may take a lot longer than expected

2019-11-19 Thread jkenny23 via EV
Does this article also ignore that there will be scaling efficiencies for even the raw material procurement/mining? Mines and foundries selling materials for Li-Ion batteries would certainly want to scale to meet the larger demand, and will probably find cheaper ways to make/procure materials,

Re: [EVDL] MIT: Why the electric-car revolution may take a lot longer than expected

2019-11-19 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
This report ignores the fact that EVs are mechanically much simpler than ICEVs. A motor, controller, and single-speed transaxle should cost less than an ICE, ECU, and automatic transaxle, once the development costs are amortized. Also, with battery leasing, it's also possible to shift the

[EVDL] MIT: Why the electric-car revolution may take a lot longer than expected

2019-11-19 Thread moskowitz via EV
Why the electric-car revolution may take a lot longer than expected An MIT analysis finds that steady declines in battery costs will stall in the next few years. by James Temple Nov 19, 2019 Don’t expect electric cars and trucks to get as cheap as their gas-powered rivals anytime soon. A new