Re: [EVDL] Tesla plugs into new market with home battery system (backup foolishness)

2015-05-03 Thread Michael Ross via EV
It just requires people to share, and to value that efficiency enough to engage in collective collaborative activity. Could refer to a public utility or a private one that is regulated well. That was what I meant, but I wanted to frame it broadly - a distributed utility functioning in the most

Re: [EVDL] Tesla plugs into new market with home battery system (backup foolishness)

2015-05-02 Thread Michael Ross via EV
One issue with LFP is the process to apply the LiFePO4 is the conductor has to take place in a noble atmosphere - as opposed to most of the others that can simply be done in air that is clean. I have heard EM say that Ni is the costliest part of Ni containing cells, even more than CO or Mn

Re: [EVDL] Tesla plugs into new market with home battery system

2015-05-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 1, 2015, at 6:24 PM, jim via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Regarding possible life of a lead acid battery system, we are on our 3rd lead acid battery for our wind and solar home power system. Might you be willing to spare a few more details? Specifically...things like how the array is

Re: [EVDL] Tesla plugs into new market with home battery system (backup foolishness)

2015-05-02 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Lee Hart wrote: $6k of golf cart batteries is about 60 of them; that's around 80 KWH of storage! Who on earth needs that much for a home. Robert Bruninga wrote: My solar panels produce typically 60 to 70 kWH every sunny day. If I do not use every bit of it every day, then I am wasting my

[EVDL] Tesla plugs into new market with home battery system

2015-05-01 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
http://www.seattletimes.com/business/tesla-expanding-battery-technology-to-homes-businesses/ The CEO of electric car maker Tesla Motors hopes to park hundreds of millions of large, solar panel-connected batteries in homes and businesses so the world can disconnect from power plants — and he

Re: [EVDL] Tesla plugs into new market with home battery system

2015-05-01 Thread len moskowitz via EV
www.teslamotors.com/powerwall The $3k pack is rated at 7 kWhr and the $3.5k pack is rated at 10k kWhr. It doesn't include an inverter. Len Moskowitz  - On Fri, May 01, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

Re: [EVDL] Tesla plugs into new market with home battery system

2015-05-01 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 1, 2015, at 9:34 AM, via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: While Lithium batteries make a lot of sense for vehicles where energy density to weight is a big deal, I'm not sure of the advantage for stationary installations. Cost for Lithium is still a big issue. An ~40kWh pack of deep

Re: [EVDL] Tesla plugs into new market with home battery system

2015-05-01 Thread via EV
always use the 40kWh in my conversion to dump charge my stationary batteries. Can't do that with the Model S yet. Barry -Original Message- From: len moskowitz via EV Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 11:44 AM To: Peri Hartman Cc: evdl Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla plugs into new market with home

Re: [EVDL] Tesla plugs into new market with home battery system

2015-05-01 Thread via EV
: [EVDL] Tesla plugs into new market with home battery system On May 1, 2015, at 9:34 AM, via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: While Lithium batteries make a lot of sense for vehicles where energy density to weight is a big deal, I'm not sure of the advantage for stationary installations. Cost

Re: [EVDL] Tesla plugs into new market with home battery system

2015-05-01 Thread Lee Hart via EV
An ~40kWh pack of deep cycle, lead acid batteries that provide battery backup for my house costs ~$5k. Lev Lvovsky via EV wrote: Wait, really?!? I’m completely new to the area of home backup, but this announcement is in-line with the time that I’m researching solar for our home (on-grid). It