"It just requires people to share, and to value that efficiency enough to engage in collective collaborative activity."
Could refer to a public utility or a private one that is regulated well. That was what I meant, but I wanted to frame it broadly - a distributed utility functioning in the most efficient manner. However that actually would work... As far as knowledge, there is plenty if you seek it, I have done enough research into newer testing methods, and the design and application of Li ion cells, in many of their forms, that I do not need to make stuff up. I did not make faith based comments. There are already ways to get 10+ year life used in medical applications. The reasons for failure are unrelated to charge rates and current levels. You can extrapolate to larger size cells and test the larger cells in a reasonable length of time. Testing can now adequately describe the expected cycle life of cells and compare among them validly. Even to the level of detecting the effect of additions of small fractions of electrolyte additives. Design by the best people is now going to produce far better results than we are used to. It is now more of a design problem - but too few people are able to design properly, because they use old information based on inferior testing. On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 11:35 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV < [email protected]> wrote: > On 2 May 2015 at 23:00, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > > Distributed electrical utility is far more efficient than every little > node > > meeting peak demand. It just requires people to share, and to value that > > efficiency enough to engage in collective collaborative activity. > > > > To me, the idea of an electric cooperative has strong appeal. However, the > pessimist in me says that if such a movement ever really got going in a big > way, the commercial power producers would call in their lobbying chips and > have at it. If ISPs can get laws passed against cities developing internet > service, surely utilities can get laws passed against co-ops providing > electric service. > > > I DO believe that some Li ion cells can be operated to last at least 10 > > years, some types probably 20. There is science to back this up. New > > testing with good correlation to reality. > > > > Maybe you and I are just using different language for this, but we need > knowledge, not faith. We can get real knowledge of whether some (many?) > kinds of lithium batteries last 10-20 years. However, it'll take 10-20 > years. Accelerated life testing is useful, but it's not the final answer. > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > EVDL Administrator > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my > email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html> A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell [email protected] <[email protected]> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150503/744b584c/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
