[EVDL] EVLN: AK EV drivers say no cold/winter-weather problems
https://www.alaskapublic.org/2020/06/11/do-electric-vehicles-work-at-40-below-alaska-owners-say-yes/ Do electric vehicles work at 40 below? Alaska owners say ‘yes’ June 11, 2020 ... “It’s just totally blown all expectations and hopes out of the water,” said longtime Denali area innkeeper and guide Kurt Martakis. He says he drives his Chevy Bolt EV year-round. “I’ve been driving this thing for three years, three winters, including this last one. We don’t have a garage for it; it’s outside in the cold all the time. It is by far my number one vehicle to drive,” ... Weflen of Fairbanks also has a Chevy Bolt he powers with his own solar farm ... https://www.alaskapublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/PEVs-charging-in-NREL-garage-via-NREL-database.jpg + https://electriccarsreport.com/2020/06/new-electric-powered-shuttles-to-start-service-in-south-sacramento/ New electric-powered shuttles to start service in south Sacramento June 14, 2020 The first of three new GreenPower EV Star shuttles will be put into service beginning Monday, June 15, 2020 as part of Electrify America’s more than $40 million Green Cities investments in Sacramento-CA ... https://electriccarsreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/GreenPower-EV-Star-shuttle.jpg?dc5f61&dc5f61 For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: Austin-TX Cybertruck gigafactory> (eyed/considered)
[ref http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Don-t-mess-w-Musk-uproot-HQ-move2-TX-Final-straw-he-s-ticked-tp4697295.html ] https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/68-million-tax-breaks-may-go-to-put-Tesla-plant-15350682.php $68 million tax breaks may go to put Tesla plant to Austin June 18, 2020 AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - An Austin-area school district is considering offering more than $60 million in tax incentives to attract a proposed Tesla "gigafactory" to Central Texas, Tesla revealed Thursday ... https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/tesla-eyes-texas-us-cybertruck-factory Tesla eyes Texas for U.S. Cybertruck factory June 18, 2020 Tesla is zeroing in on an area in southeast Austin, Texas, for the electric-car maker’s second U.S. auto factory as Elon Musk ... https://www.altoonamirror.com/uncategorized/2020/06/tax-breaks-may-go-to-tesla-plant/ Tax breaks may go to Tesla plant Jun 19, 2020 The Del Valle Independent School District proposal was made public in a Tesla tax application filed Thursday with the Texas comptroller’s office. The proposal would offer Tesla $68 million in property ... https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/tesla-picks-texas-austin-for-second-us-plant-where-cybertrucks-will-be-made/ar-BB15H6lh Tesla picks Texas' Austin for second US plant, where Cybertrucks will be made Jun 19, 2020 The 4 to 5 million-square-foot plant would employee 5,000 workers and become Tesla’s fourth for vehicle assembly ... https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/tesla-edges-toward-austin-texas-for-cybertruck-gigafactory/ Tesla edges toward Austin, Texas for Cybertruck Gigafactory June 19, 2020 Tesla appears to be close to inking a deal with Texas to build a Gigafactory for its Cybertruck pickup ... + https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-autopilot-lawsuit-germany-misleading-advertising/ Tesla Autopilot gets flak in Germany over alleged ‘misleading advertising’ June 18, 2020 As Gigafactory Berlin’s construction hits its stride, Tesla appears to be facing some pressure from a German regional trial court over the company’s use of “Autopilot” to describe its advanced driver assist suite, which comes standard with every new vehicle purchase today. A suit against the electric car maker was filed by the Wettbewerbszentrale (Competition Center), which is now being handled by a Munich Regional Court ... https://www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/nav-on-autopilot.jpg For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20200622
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-AK-EV-drivers-say-no-cold-winter-weather-problems-tp4697836.html EVLN: AK EV drivers say no cold/winter-weather problems Do electric vehicles work at 40 below? Alaska owners say ‘yes’ June 11, 2020 ... Martakis says he drives his Chevy Bolt EV year-round. “I’ve been driving this thing for three years, three winters, including this last one. We don’t have a garage for it; it’s outside in the cold all the time. It is by far my number one vehicle to drive,” ... Weflen of Fairbanks also has a Chevy Bolt he powers with his own solar farm ... https://www.alaskapublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/PEVs-charging-in-NREL-garage-via-NREL-database.jpg http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Austin-TX-Cybertruck-gigafactory-eyed-considered-tp4697837.html EVLN: Austin-TX Cybertruck gigafactory> (eyed/considered) Tesla edges toward Austin, Texas for Cybertruck Gigafactory June 19, 2020 Tesla appears to be close to inking a deal with Texas to build a Gigafactory for its Cybertruck pickup ... The 4 to 5 million-square-foot plant would employee 5,000 workers and become Tesla’s fourth for vehicle assembly ... + New electric-shuttles start service in south Sacramento-CA Tesla Autopilot gets alleged misleading-advertising .de flak EV2Home (V2H) connection= EV powers house during blackout http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVs-bring-10-000-in-life-saving-benefits-tp4697811.html EVs bring $10,000 in life-saving benefits New study: Every electric car brings $10,000 in life-saving benefits Jun. 3rd 2020 ... Converting all cars and SUVs in the area into electric vehicles would cause 313 fewer deaths per year, an estimated social benefit of $2.4 billion -Converting all transport trucks to more efficient models would cause 275 fewer deaths, an estimated social benefit of $2.1 billion -Converting all transit systems to electric buses would cause 143 fewer deaths, an estimated social benefit of $1.1 billion ... https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/06/toronto-ev-health.jpg For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Green license plates for EVs
[ref http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/UK-Electric-Cars-To-Get-Green-Number-Plates-tp4697783.html ] https://www.google.com/search?q=green+license+plate+electric Green number plates planned for electric cars - BBC News www.bbc.com › news › business-50122268 Oct 22, 2019 - Drivers of electric cars across the UK may soon be using special green number plates under new plans. The aim is to make it possible for local ... Green light and green license plates to electric cars - Medium medium.com › green-light-and-green-license-plates-to-electric-cars-7... Aug 19, 2019 - Green license plate in Quebec. The first step to comply Ukrainian legislation with the best European and world practices in the field of electric ... China Issues Green License Plates For Electric Cars ... insideevs.com › News › General Apr 24, 2016 - China's traffic management authority has announced that new-energy vehicles (mostly plug-in electric cars) will get a special green license ... [dated] http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/uk-green-EV-lic-plates-a-target4-cloning-crooks-tp4696332.html .uk green EV lic. plates> a target4 cloning-crooks Department for Transport green number plate electric cars concept 03 February 2020 James Allen .. Feb 05 2020 http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-10k-DIY-Miata-MX-5-red-convertible-120V-Optimas-Warp9-r-35km-ts-110kph-tp4687571.html EVLN: $10k DIY Miata MX-5 red convertible 120V-Optimas Warp9 r:35km ts:110kph ...Seven years and many hundreds of hours of tinkering later, DeVuyst became the proud owner this summer of a street-legal, fully electric, 1990 Mazda Miata MX-5 convertible with the official green licence plate ... Aug 05, 2017 http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Enough-with-the-sanctimonious-green-car-license-plates-already-tp4675350.html EVLN: 'Enough with the sanctimonious green car license plates already' 'We know your car is green & superior to us in every imaginable way' Dear Tesla and Prius owners, enough with the sanctimonious license plates Technically... May 05, 2015 For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Chevy Bolt EV towing capacity NOT!
Hi Folks, I saw a 5200 lb towing capacity emailed out so I googled the operators manual for a 2020 Bolt, Page 230 that says NO towing capacity. So don't see any EV (except a unaffordable pricey Tesla X) to tow my 1600lb alum boat. Maybe compromise with a hybrid, but more attracted complexity than just keeping my old Ford Ranger. Trailer Towing General Towing Information {Warning Never tow a trailer with your vehicle. It was not designed or intended to tow a trailer. Have a renewable energy day, Mark Mark E. Hanson 184 Vista Lane Fincastle, VA 24090 540-473-1248 phone & FAX, 540-816-0812 cell REEVA: community service RE & EV project club Website: www.REEVAdiy.org (See Project Gallery) UL Certified PV Installer My RE&EV Circuits: www.EVDL.org/lib/mh REEVA Demo: <http://youtu.be/4kqWn2H-rA0> http://youtu.be/4kqWn2H-rA0 <https://www.weatherlink.com/embeddablePage/show/a88920376f864ecabaed843dd89 75b8d/signature> Fincastle Solar Weather Station -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200621/59a6e0ff/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Chevy Bolt EV towing capacity NOT!
On 6/21/20 7:58 AM, mark hanson via EV wrote: Hi Folks, I saw a 5200 lb towing capacity emailed out so I googled the operators manual for a 2020 Bolt, Page 230 that says NO towing capacity. So don't see any EV (except a unaffordable pricey Tesla X) to tow my 1600lb alum boat. Maybe compromise with a hybrid, but more attracted complexity than just keeping my old Ford Ranger. It really depends on your anal retentiveness or how risk averse you are. The lack of stated towing capacities has more to do with the manufacturer's high level of risk avoidance and the perils of liability. I imagine that if a car is "rated for towing", it can be expected to pull that load ALWAYS and never be operated without a loaded trailer. IMHO, ANY modern car should be capable of pulling at least a 2000 lb trailer if equipped with a proper hitch. Thousands of 2000 lb hitches have been sold for imievs, Leafs, Model Ss, Model 3s, etc. OTOH, if your boat weighs 1600 lb, then the loaded trailer may well be pushing the arbitrary 2000 lb threshold. I will point out that it is not likely that an ICE manufacturer has ever condoned a conversion to electric. So, most here will likely take manufacturer's recommendations, or lack, with a large dose of salt. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Chevy Bolt EV towing capacity NOT!
Model 3 can tow https://electrek.co/2019/05/08/tesla-model-3-tow-hitch/ Model Y can tow https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/tesla-model-y-tow-hitch Model S can tow https://torkliftcentral.com/2012-2016-tesla-model-s-ecohitch-stealth (An early, used Model S in good condition can be bought for $25-30k) Barry On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 8:59 AM mark hanson via EV wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I saw a 5200 lb towing capacity emailed out so I googled the operators > manual for a 2020 Bolt, Page 230 that says NO towing capacity. So don't > see > any EV (except a unaffordable pricey Tesla X) to tow my 1600lb alum boat. > Maybe compromise with a hybrid, but more attracted complexity than just > keeping my old Ford Ranger. > > > > Trailer Towing > > General Towing > > Information > > {Warning > > Never tow a trailer with your > > vehicle. It was not designed or > > intended to tow a trailer. > > > > Have a renewable energy day, > > > > Mark > > > > Mark E. Hanson > > 184 Vista Lane > > Fincastle, VA 24090 > > 540-473-1248 phone & FAX, 540-816-0812 cell > > REEVA: community service RE & EV project club > > Website: www.REEVAdiy.org (See Project Gallery) > > UL Certified PV Installer > > My RE&EV Circuits: www.EVDL.org/lib/mh > > REEVA Demo: <http://youtu.be/4kqWn2H-rA0> http://youtu.be/4kqWn2H-rA0 > > > < > https://www.weatherlink.com/embeddablePage/show/a88920376f864ecabaed843dd89 > 75b8d/signature > <https://www.weatherlink.com/embeddablePage/show/a88920376f864ecabaed843dd8975b8d/signature>> > Fincastle Solar Weather Station > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200621/59a6e0ff/attachment.html > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200621/6048f104/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Chevy Bolt EV towing capacity NOT!
On 21 Jun 2020 at 8:25, Willie via EV wrote: > It really depends on your anal retentiveness or how risk averse you are. And on whether you're willing to discard the warranty on a $30K+ vehicle. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Chevy Bolt EV towing capacity NOT!
On 6/21/20 9:06 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: On 21 Jun 2020 at 8:25, Willie via EV wrote: It really depends on your anal retentiveness or how risk averse you are. And on whether you're willing to discard the warranty on a $30K+ vehicle. Agreed. The risk averse should not install a trailer hitch on a car whose maker prohibits towing. The less risk averse realize that installation of the hitch does not automatically void all aspects of the warranty. An anecdote: I had a new 2006 Hyundai with 12 miles on the odometer converted understanding I would have no Hyundai warranty. I did not suffer from lack of warranty. Though I was surprised when a Hyundai dealer refused to perform a state safety inspection on the converted car. I have had no warranty problems with three Teslas on which I installed trailer hitches though Tesla Service Centers refuse to install hitches. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Chevy Bolt EV towing capacity NOT!
The I-MiEV says not to pull a trailer because the brakes aren’t rated for it. However, I know lots of people doing it. Not sure I would tow a boat with it. With regenerative braking people rarely use the brakes. Mine is 8 years old and the pads still look new. Sent from my iPad > On Jun 21, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Willie via EV wrote: > > > >> On 6/21/20 7:58 AM, mark hanson via EV wrote: >> Hi Folks, >> I saw a 5200 lb towing capacity emailed out so I googled the operators >> manual for a 2020 Bolt, Page 230 that says NO towing capacity. So don't see >> any EV (except a unaffordable pricey Tesla X) to tow my 1600lb alum boat. >> Maybe compromise with a hybrid, but more attracted complexity than just >> keeping my old Ford Ranger. > > It really depends on your anal retentiveness or how risk averse you are. The > lack of stated towing capacities has more to do with the manufacturer's high > level of risk avoidance and the perils of liability. > > I imagine that if a car is "rated for towing", it can be expected to pull > that load ALWAYS and never be operated without a loaded trailer. > > IMHO, ANY modern car should be capable of pulling at least a 2000 lb trailer > if equipped with a proper hitch. Thousands of 2000 lb hitches have been sold > for imievs, Leafs, Model Ss, Model 3s, etc. > > OTOH, if your boat weighs 1600 lb, then the loaded trailer may well be > pushing the arbitrary 2000 lb threshold. > > I will point out that it is not likely that an ICE manufacturer has ever > condoned a conversion to electric. So, most here will likely take > manufacturer's recommendations, or lack, with a large dose of salt. > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Chevy Bolt EV towing capacity NOT!
On 6/21/20 9:27 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote: The I-MiEV says not to pull a trailer because the brakes aren’t rated for it. However, I know lots of people doing it. Not sure I would tow a boat with it. With regenerative braking people rarely use the brakes. Mine is 8 years old and the pads still look new. The imiev is the most obxiously ICEcentric EV I have driven! Though I love mine for several reasons. The not optional creep. The three levels of very weak and lagging regen. The odd "twist key against a spring" starting procedure. Perhaps justifiably, EV makers want to put bigger brakes on tow rated EVs. Only in the relatively rare situations of a full or cold battery are bigger brakes needed. Permit me a digression. Last year, our local Tesla group was joined by a new Model 3 owner. He complained vociferously about regen. He recommended to Tesla that, if they wanted to make it a mass market car, they would HAVE make it drive like a Prius. His other car was a Prius and they (he and his wife) were used getting on the brake as soon as the throttle was lifted; they always abruptly lifted the throttle and were irritated by the resultant rapid slowing. Thankfully for the sanity of the group, they finally came to terms with "one pedal driving". And grew to love it. When driving an imiev, I am constantly irritated by the lag in regen. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Chevy Bolt EV towing capacity NOT!
Willie via EV wrote: It really depends on your anal retentiveness or how risk averse you are. EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: And on whether you're willing to discard the warranty on a $30K+ vehicle. Willie via EV wrote: Agreed. The risk averse should not install a trailer hitch on a car whose maker prohibits towing. The less risk averse realize that installation of the hitch does not automatically void all aspects of the warranty. The physics of the matter is that towing increases the strain on the batteries, controller, motor, and brakes. Manufacturers prefer to skimp on them to save cost. Towing just might put some part a little above its maximum design limit. Thus, towing increases the chances of a failure during warranty. But of course, how you drive and how often you tow makes a huge difference. Do you do it often? Do you still drive at 80 mph with a trailer? In the mountains? But if you drive very gently when towing, the strain on the drive train can actually be less than the "stop light racers" who drive like the accellerator and brake pedal are on/off switches. So it's easy for the dealer and manufacturer to say "no towing". If it breaks during warranty, they can use the hitch as evidence and deny any coverage. Even if you have never in fact towed anything, they win; you lose! Me; I tow with older vehicles that don't have any warranty anyway. And, I'm a very conservative driver. I've never had any problems due to towing. Lee Hart -- If happiness is on your mind, here's a daily list to find: - something to do - something to look forward to - someone to love - someone to take good care of - and misbehave, just a little -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Chevy Bolt EV towing capacity NOT!
Tesla supports towing on the Model Y. A Class II hitch with 3500 pound capacity is a $1,000 option on the US order page. I've heard others say that Tesla supports towing on the Model 3 also, but don't see it on the order page or aftermarket shop. Supposedly, it has 2000 pound towing capacity. One thing I've noticed is that Tesla sometimes supports towing in other countries, but not the US. I've heard that was true of the Model S too. Mike -Original Message- From: EV On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 12:43 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Lee Hart Subject: Re: [EVDL] Chevy Bolt EV towing capacity NOT! Willie via EV wrote: >>> It really depends on your anal retentiveness or how risk averse you are. EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: >> And on whether you're willing to discard the warranty on a $30K+ vehicle. Willie via EV wrote: > Agreed. The risk averse should not install a trailer hitch on a car > whose maker prohibits towing. The less risk averse realize that > installation of the hitch does not automatically void all aspects of > the warranty. The physics of the matter is that towing increases the strain on the batteries, controller, motor, and brakes. Manufacturers prefer to skimp on them to save cost. Towing just might put some part a little above its maximum design limit. Thus, towing increases the chances of a failure during warranty. But of course, how you drive and how often you tow makes a huge difference. Do you do it often? Do you still drive at 80 mph with a trailer? In the mountains? But if you drive very gently when towing, the strain on the drive train can actually be less than the "stop light racers" who drive like the accellerator and brake pedal are on/off switches. So it's easy for the dealer and manufacturer to say "no towing". If it breaks during warranty, they can use the hitch as evidence and deny any coverage. Even if you have never in fact towed anything, they win; you lose! Me; I tow with older vehicles that don't have any warranty anyway. And, I'm a very conservative driver. I've never had any problems due to towing. Lee Hart -- If happiness is on your mind, here's a daily list to find: - something to do - something to look forward to - someone to love - someone to take good care of - and misbehave, just a little -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: 80kW/96hp 48V in&outboard boat e-motors in production
https://plugboats.com/new-48-volt-electric-boat-motor-now-production/ New 48 volt electric boat motor now in production June 17, 2020 A new 48 volt electric boat motor with peak power of 80kW (96 hp) and nominal power of 50kW (65hp) is going into serial production and can be ordered now for delivery in December 2020. The motor, from Germany company Volabo, uses a technology called ISCAD: Intelligent Stator CAge Drive – to create a virtual gearbox that changes the speed and torque of the motor by altering the pairing of magnetic poles in the stator cage ... https://i1.wp.com/plugboats.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/volabo-electric-boat-motor-configurations-f.jpg + (?Remember when ?experts? said r:50mi was more than enough?) https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/success/tesla-model-s-long-range-400-miles/index.html Tesla's new Model S can get 400 miles on a charge. Here's why that may not matter June 17, 2020 ... A number of electric vehicles already on the market get more than 200 miles of range, which many experts feel is enough to give car shoppers sufficient comfort ... For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: Candela7 hydrofoil speed e-boat r:92km/50mi @37kph/20knots (v)
https://www.electrive.com/2020/06/14/candela-seven-all-electric-hydrofoil-with-92-km-range-video/ Candela 7: all-electric hydrofoil with 92 km range (video) Jun 14, 2020 This Swedish electric speedboat "flies" above water and is still available in limited numbers ... an electric range of 92 km (50 nautical miles) in 20 knots (37 kph), on par with combustion engine boats ... https://youtu.be/Oa63izfR26s + https://electrek.co/2020/06/17/lucid-motors-production-air-electric-car-pricing-specs-sept-9/ Lucid Motors to unveil production Air electric car with pricing 2020/06/17 ... Lucid Motors announced today that it's going to unveil the production version of its Air electric car with pricing and specs on September 9 ... https://i1.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/06/Lucid-Beta-Prototypes_Return-to-Action-copy-e1592424440183.jpg?w=1500&quality=82&strip=all&ssl=1 For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20200623
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-80kW-96hp-48V-in-outboard-boat-e-motors-in-production-tp4697849.html EVLN: 80kW/96hp 48V in&outboard boat e-motors in production New 48 volt electric boat motor now in production June 17, 2020 A new 48 volt electric boat motor with peak power of 80kW (96 hp) and nominal power of 50kW (65hp) is going into serial production and can be ordered now for delivery in December 2020. The motor, from Germany company Volabo, uses a technology called ISCAD: Intelligent Stator CAge Drive – to create a virtual gearbox that changes the speed and torque of the motor by altering the pairing of magnetic poles in the stator cage ... https://i1.wp.com/plugboats.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/volabo-electric-boat-motor-configurations-f.jpg http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Candela7-hydrofoil-speed-e-boat-r-92km-50mi-37kph-20knots-v-tp4697850.html EVLN: Candela7 hydrofoil speed e-boat r:92km/50mi @37kph/20knots (v) Candela 7: all-electric hydrofoil with 92 km range (video) Jun 14, 2020 This Swedish electric speedboat "flies" above water and is still available in limited numbers ... an electric range of 92 km (50 nautical miles) in 20 knots (37 kph), on par with combustion engine boats ... https://youtu.be/Oa63izfR26s + Remember when ?experts? said r:50mi was more than enough? Lucid Air EV pricing &specs on September 9, 2020 Bamboo EV wins award http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-1-732-2020-Changli-Nemeca-Cheapest-60V-cn-nEV-ts-32kph-v-tp4697647p4697708.html PKR349,320/$2130 Pakistan can import Changli Nameca .cn nEV Pakistanis can Now Order World’s Cheapest Electric Car Jun 11, 2020 ... Pakistanis can import the China-made Changli Nameca car through Alibaba ... You can get this car for only $930 (PKR152,520), but this price is without a battery pack. To get the pack, you will need to pay $1200 (PKR196,800), which we think is not bad at all in this price range. Furthermore, it is an excellent deal for local consumers as the government slashed 25-50% customs duty on electric cars last year ... Its biggest positive is its price ... https://static.pakwheels.com/2020/06/interior-1.jpg For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Car-size fire-blanket smothers EV li-ion fire reignitions
https://insideevs.com/news/429647/giant-fire-blanket-cuts-reignition-ev-blazes/ Giant Fire Blanket Helps Cut Battery Reignition In Electric Car Blazes Jun 19, 2020 ... there is no fire without oxygen ... with a giant fire blanket ... https://youtu.be/yO8cVWOqZcg For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: Waydoo Flyer1> ultimate water-sport flying
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/waydoo-flyer-one-brings-accessible-luxury-to-water-sports-145041.html Waydoo Flyer One Brings Accessible Luxury to Water Sports 19 Jun 2020 The electric revolution is coming for the world of water sports, and a first step in that ... Fast, quiet, and emission-free, the Flyer ONE creates the ultimate flying ... https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/waydoo-flyer-one-brings-accessible-luxury-to-water-sports_1.jpg ... http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=413529&query=Waydoo&days=0 + https://uk.news.yahoo.com/vauxhall-launches-electric-vivaro-e-09735.html Vauxhall launches electric Vivaro-e Life people carrier 18 June 2020 Vauxhall has revealed the new all-electric Vivaro-e Life people carrier, which will go on sale this summer ... https://media.zenfs.com/en/motor1_uk_340/3fdad22b0d8a1620b54dc3422184020c ... http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=413529&query=Vivaro For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: Leaf-pr> faster than a speeding .th kite-surfer (v)
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/nissan-leaf-outpaces-wind-fire-00540.html 18 June 2020 Using a Pyrotechnician’s ‘fire-line’ and a champion kite surfer, testers wants to see who makes it to the finish line the fastest ... to break ... perception that electric vehicles are not exciting. The Nissan LEAF, with its rapid acceleration of 100 km/h in 7.9 seconds, raced ahead of its elemental rivals ... https://youtu.be/xyDUQMJtx8k + (vw-pr) https://jalopnik.com/here-is-volkswagens-new-id-4-cross-ev-production-model-1844067856 Here Is Volkswagen's New ID.4 Cross EV Production Model Before They Wanted You To See It 2020/06/17 ... While we've already seen concept and pre-production versions of Volkswagen's upcoming electric, MEB-based SUV, the ID.4 Cross, VW wasn't quite ready to ... https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_1600/cczqbtz49xthln6jbke9.png For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20200624
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Waydoo-Flyer1-ultimate-water-sport-flying-tp4697853.html EVLN: Waydoo Flyer1> ultimate water-sport flying Waydoo Flyer One Brings Accessible Luxury to Water Sports 19 Jun 2020 The electric revolution is coming for the world of water sports, and a first step in that ... Fast, quiet, and emission-free, the Flyer ONE creates the ultimate flying ... https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/waydoo-flyer-one-brings-accessible-luxury-to-water-sports_1.jpg http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Leaf-pr-faster-than-a-speeding-th-kite-surfer-v-tp4697854.html EVLN: Leaf-pr> faster than a speeding .th kite-surfer (v) 18 June 2020 Using a Pyrotechnician’s ‘fire-line’ and a champion kite surfer, testers wants to see who makes it to the finish line the fastest ... to break ... perception that electric vehicles are not exciting. The Nissan LEAF, with its rapid acceleration of 100 km/h in 7.9 seconds, raced ahead of its elemental rivals ... https://youtu.be/xyDUQMJtx8k + vw-pr> ID.4 Cross EV Production Model details Vauxhall-pr> electric Vivaro-e Life people carrier http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/What-the-great-Google-god-sez-about-EV-towing-capacities-tp4697831.html What the great-Google-god sez about EV towing capacities http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/dead-2012-Nissan-Leaf-available-in-Boston-area-tp4697715p4697719.html dead,Boston-MA road-rusted,tow-away leaf seeks new owner For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: Tesla,GM,FMC Self-Driving Race details
https://observer.com/2020/06/tesla-gm-ford-electric-vehicle-self-driving-autopilot-update/ The Self-Driving Car Race Between Tesla, GM and Ford Takes a Big Turn 06/20/20 ... Both Ford’s and GM’s driving assist features rely on a “lidar” (a radar using light instead of radio waves) system that pre-maps an entire area in which a car is expected to move around. A driver can then select a route on that map and direct the car to move itself along it. Tesla’s Autopilot operates in a completely different method. Instead of pre-mapping the roads, Tesla uses eight in-car cameras to capture a 360-degree view around the vehicle at any moment. Real-time footages caught by these cameras are then parsed by machine-learning algorithms to guide motion ... https://observer.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/06/GettyImages-1199703559.jpg + (Beta Tech Alia's e-vtol transported) Brawn over brains: How Beta’s new electric aircraft made its first flight ... June 19, 2020 ... Burlington, Vermont-based electric aviation startup Beta Technologies revealed its striking new aircraft, an all-white electric vertical take-off and landing (eVTOL) beauty code-named Alia ... https://youtu.be/L2yJdzP6YBA For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: Audi e-tron S 3 e-motor on Nürburgring .de track (v)
https://electrek.co/2020/06/19/audi-e-tron-s-tri-motor-electric-car-video-nurburgring-track/ Watch Audi e-tron S tri-motor electric car burn rubber on Nürburgring track Jun. 19th 2020 ... An Audi e-tron S prototype, with a tri-motor electric powertrain ... spotted testing its performance on the Nürburgring racetrack ... achieves a 0 to 100 km/h (62.1 mph) acceleration in 4.5s ... not where the e-tron S shines ... https://youtu.be/Rbk2mEABzfE + (Aerodynamic Audi e-turd S) https://carbuzz.com/news/check-out-the-advanced-aerodynamics-of-the-audi-e-tron-s Check Out The Advanced Aerodynamics Of The Audi e-tron S 2020-06-20 Audi is diving headfirst into the electric vehicle market, with a lot of new models ... These trims add 0.9 inches of width on either side of the car compared to the ... https://cdn.carbuzz.com/gallery-images/840x560/721000/500/721532.jpg ... http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/2013-VW-Golf-Blue-E-motion-EV-Audi-e-Tron-excrement-tp3208437.html For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20200625
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Tesla-GM-FMC-Self-Driving-Race-details-tp4697856.html EVLN: Tesla,GM,FMC Self-Driving Race details The Self-Driving Car Race Between Tesla, GM and Ford Takes a Big Turn 06/20/20 ... Both Ford’s and GM’s driving assist features rely on a “lidar” (a radar using light instead of radio waves) system that pre-maps an entire area in which a car is expected to move around. A driver can then select a route on that map and direct the car to move itself along it. Tesla’s Autopilot operates in a completely different method. Instead of pre-mapping the roads, Tesla uses eight in-car cameras to capture a 360-degree view around the vehicle at any moment. Real-time footages caught by these cameras are then parsed by machine-learning algorithms to guide motion ... https://observer.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/06/GettyImages-1199703559.jpg http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Audi-e-tron-S-3-e-motor-on-Nurburgring-de-track-v-tp4697857.html EVLN: Audi e-tron S 3 e-motor on Nürburgring .de track (v) Watch Audi e-tron S tri-motor electric car burn rubber on Nürburgring track Jun. 19th 2020 ... An Audi e-tron S prototype, with a tri-motor electric powertrain ... spotted testing its performance on the Nürburgring racetrack ... achieves a 0 to 100 km/h (62.1 mph) acceleration in 4.5s ... not where the e-tron S shines ... https://youtu.be/Rbk2mEABzfE + Beta Tech Alia's e-vtol transported Aerodynamic Audi e-turd S http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/George-s-farm-truck-van-EV-project-tp4697746.html George's farm truck/van EV project For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: gm double deals> won't pay back $60M in tax incentives
https://www.vindy.com/opinion/editorials/2020/06/gm-must-fulfill-promises-to-state-valley/ GM must fulfill promises to state, Valley Jun 21, 2020 Ohio should hold General Motors accountable to pay back the $60 million in tax incentives it had received before shuttering the local assembly and stamping plants in Lordstown ... GM disputes the demand and instead is asking to be spared from repaying the state in the “spirit of economic development” and the company’s “significant manufacturing presence” in the state and the Mahoning Valley ... https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/double-dealing + (gm-pr> .cn-only EV touts hidden tray= big-whoop) https://gmauthority.com/blog/2020/06/2020-chevrolet-menlo-ev-gets-this-one-cool-cargo-feature/ 2020 Chevrolet Menlo EV Gets This One Cool Cargo Feature Jun 20, 2020 The feature in question is found in the Chevrolet Menlo EV’s sizable rear hatch. Underneath the rear hatch cargo floor, there’s a segmented tray, which can easily hold a number of different items safely and out of sight ... Looking over the official picture provided by Chevrolet, the cargo tray can hold things like a bag, the battery charging cord, some rope, and other things ... https://gmauthority.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/2020-Chevrolet-Menlo-EV-China-interior-006.jpg For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: 1939 Skoda Beer-delivery e-Truck
https://www.carscoops.com/2020/06/skodas-first-electric-vehicle-was-a-1939-beer-truck/ Skoda’s First Electric Vehicle Was A 1939 Beer Truck June 20, 2020 ... in 1938, on the brink of WWII, oil imports were under threat and Skoda needed to find a way to keep supplies flowing. Thus, they built an electric beer truck that could deliver the product from the factory in Pilsen to the town’s bars and restaurants. It had a bank of rechargeable lead acid batteries mounted within the ladder chassis and could haul up to 6,614 lbs (3 tons) of beer. The truck delivered beer for many years, according to factory records ... https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/webp/2020/06/1939-skoda-ev.webp + https://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/news/18529784.self-drive-electric-motorboats-available-lake-windermere/ Self-drive electric motorboats available again on Lake Windermere 19th June 2020 ... SELF-DRIVE motorboats will once again be available to hire from Bowness from this Saturday. The online booking system is now live, and bookings can be made up to seven days in advance. The 49-strong fleet of Windermere Lake Cruises electric boats have been out of action for more than 12 weeks during lockdown ... https://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/resources/images/11501995.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=responsive-gallery For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20200626
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-gm-double-deals-won-t-pay-back-60M-in-tax-incentives-tp4697859.html EVLN: gm double deals> won't pay back $60M in tax incentives GM must fulfill promises to state, Valley Jun 21, 2020 Ohio should hold General Motors accountable to pay back the $60 million in tax incentives it had received before shuttering the local assembly and stamping plants in Lordstown ... GM disputes the demand and instead is asking to be spared from repaying the state in the “spirit of economic development” and the company’s “significant manufacturing presence” in the state and the Mahoning Valley ... https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/double-dealing http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-1939-Skoda-Beer-delivery-e-Truck-tp4697860.html EVLN: 1939 Skoda Beer-delivery e-Truck Skoda’s First Electric Vehicle Was A 1939 Beer Truck June 20, 2020 ... in 1938, on the brink of WWII, oil imports were under threat and Skoda needed to find a way to keep supplies flowing. Thus, they built an electric beer truck that could deliver the product from the factory in Pilsen to the town’s bars and restaurants. It had a bank of rechargeable lead acid batteries mounted within the ladder chassis and could haul up to 6,614 lbs (3 tons) of beer. The truck delivered beer for many years, according to factory records ... https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/webp/2020/06/1939-skoda-ev.webp + gm-pr> .cn-only EV touts hidden tray= big-whoop Self-drive e-motorboats available again on Lake_Windermere .uk http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Hybrid-buses-instead-of-electric-for-PSTA-in-Pinellas-County-Evidence-for-commissioners-tp4697767p4697792.html e-Buses vs he-Buses for PSTA Pinellas_County-FL bus routes For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Newswires: Tesla III crash and enclosed motorcycle.
https://www.gizmochina.com/2020/06/18/tesla-model-3-suddenly-picks-up-speed-uncontrollably-crashed-and-caught-fire/ Tesla Model 3 suddenly picked up speed uncontrollably, crashed and caught fire in China Jun 18, 2020 ... Tesla Model 3 accident occurred in Jiangxi after the car suddenly accelerated to 127 km/h while the owner was driving. All efforts to reduce the speed proved abortive as the brakes failed. The car then crashed and burst in flame ... https://www.gizmochina.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/tesla-model-3.png The driver was trying to stop the car with the accelerator pedal? + (render, ?vaporware?) https://electrek.co/2020/05/29/this-odd-looking-vehicle-is-reportedly-lightnings-enclosed-electric-motorcycle/ This odd-looking vehicle is reportedly Lightning?s enclosed electric motorcycle May. 29th 2020 ... Lightning Motorcycles is ... working on an enclosed electric motorcycle ... The crash safety ratings are determined by a vehicle hitting an immovable object. https://i1.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/05/Screen-Shot-2020-05-29-at-1.12.10-PM.png The Peraves Monotracer did this a decade ago and won the X-Prize. https://inhabitat.com/zippy-peraves-monotracer-electric-mte-150-motorbike-hits-the-market-with-350-mpge/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200621/0bed989e/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: .ru EVs> Zetta,Marussia,KamAZ,Muravey,Kalashnikov, +
https://www.rbth.com/science-and-tech/332346-top-7-russian-electric-vehicles Top 7 Russian electric cars (PHOTOS) June 20 2020 In May 2019, KB Spektr signed an agreement with Novosibirsk State Technical University to build an electric vehicle based on the Marussia supercar ... https://cdni.rbth.com/rbthmedia/images/2020.06/article/5eee03fd85600a6f9a358cef.jpg + https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/06/20200619-transdev.html Transdev Canada purchasing 27 new electric Lion school buses 19 June 2020 Transdev Canada is investing close to CAD$4.5 million in its fleet of electric school buses with the Québec company Lion, ... https://bioage.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c4fbe53ef0264e2e38889200d-500wi For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-S EV> r-epa:402mi, & $5000 reduced price
https://chargedevs.com/newswire/tesla-used-a-variety-of-technical-advances-to-increase-model-s-range-to-400-miles/ Tesla used a variety of technical advances to increase Model S range to 400 miles June 21, 2020 The company recently announced that all North American Model S Long Range Plus vehicles now have an official EPA-rated range of 402 miles—an increase of almost 20% compared to a 2019 model with the same battery pack design ... Tesla also recently reduced Model S Long Range Plus price by $5,000 ... https://468y981o84o43v2wo2600a0gcj-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Tesla-Model-S-Bill-Abbott-CC-BY-SA-2.0.jpg + https://thenewswheel.com/ford-mustang-mach-e-free-electrify-america-charging/ Mustang Mach-E Customers Get Free Electrify America Fast-Charging June 21, 2020 Mustang Mach-E includes 250 kWh of complimentary fast-charging from Electrify America ... Mach-E can charge up to 61 miles of range in around 10 minutes and go from 10-80 percent battery in 45 minutes ... https://thenewswheel.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2021-Ford-Mustang-Mach-E-Electrify-America-fast-charging-station-1000x686.jpg For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20200627
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-ru-EVs-Zetta-Marussia-KamAZ-Muravey-Kalashnikov-tp4697863.html EVLN: .ru EVs> Zetta,Marussia,KamAZ,Muravey,Kalashnikov, + Top 7 Russian electric cars (PHOTOS) June 20 2020 In May 2019, KB Spektr signed an agreement with Novosibirsk State Technical University to build an electric vehicle based on the Marussia supercar ... https://cdni.rbth.com/rbthmedia/images/2020.06/article/5eee03fd85600a6f9a358cef.jpg http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Tesla-S-EV-r-epa-402mi-5000-reduced-price-tp4697864.html EVLN: Tesla-S EV> r-epa:402mi, & $5000 reduced price Tesla used a variety of technical advances to increase Model S range to 400 miles June 21, 2020 The company recently announced that all North American Model S Long Range Plus vehicles now have an official EPA-rated range of 402 miles—an increase of almost 20% compared to a 2019 model with the same battery pack design ... Tesla also recently reduced Model S Long Range Plus price by $5,000 ... https://468y981o84o43v2wo2600a0gcj-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Tesla-Model-S-Bill-Abbott-CC-BY-SA-2.0.jpg + Transdev Canada purchased 27 new Lion school e-buses Mustang Mach-E Customers Get Free e-America Fast-Charging (render, ?vaporware?) Lightning’s enclosed e-motorcycle http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/cn-Tesla-3-suddenly-uncontrollably-accelerated-crashed-fire-tp4697835.html .cn Tesla-3 suddenly uncontrollably accelerated,crashed &fire Tesla Model 3 suddenly picked up speed uncontrollably, crashed and caught fire in China Jun 18, 2020 ... Tesla Model 3 accident occurred in Jiangxi after the car suddenly accelerated to 127 km/h while the owner was driving. All efforts to reduce the speed proved abortive as the brakes failed. The car then crashed and burst in flame ... https://www.gizmochina.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/tesla-model-3.png For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: CityQ’s enclosed e-Car/e-Bike> taking pre-orders
https://electrek.co/2020/06/19/cityqs-enclosed-electric-car-ebike-begins-taking-pre-orders/ CityQ’s enclosed electric Car-eBike begins taking pre-orders Jun. 19th 2020 ... riders aren’t protected from the weather, be it heavy rain or the glaring sun ... And now the Oslo-based company has opened pre-orders for its Car-eBike as it prepares for 2021 deliveries ... https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/06/104096167_256449559137559_2256503365219059746_n.jpg + https://carbuzz.com/news/new-electric-buick-previews-chevrolet-bolt-crossover New Electric Buick Previews Chevrolet Bolt Crossover 2020-06-20 China's Buick Velite 7 previews the upcoming Chevrolet Bolt crossover. Compared to the regular Bolt, the new EUV (electric utility vehicle) will be around five or six inches longer, while the wheelbase is expected to increase by three inches to increase the cabin space for rear passengers ... Buick Velite 7 Electric offers an electric range of up to 500 kilometers (310 miles) based on the NEDC ... http://cdn.carbuzz.com/gallery-images/1600/722000/100/722172.jpg For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: ICat solarCat pv-powered .hr e-boat> sustainable eco-transport
https://www.croatiaweek.com/solar-powered-electric-boat-solarcat-presented-on-zagrebs-lake-jarun/ Solar-powered electric boat ‘solarCat’ presented on Zagreb’s Lake Jarun ZAGREB, 13 JUNE 2020 – The President of Croatia Zoran Milanovi? has participated in the presentation and promotional ride of the solar-powered electric boat ... ICat ... “solarCat” as an example of a sustainable and environmentally friendly mode of transport that is already used in Croatia for tourism ... https://www.croatiaweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/solarcat3.jpg + https://www.power-eng.com/2020/06/17/i-5-clean-energy-corridor-needs-freight-level-ev-charging-every-50-miles-and-850m-utilities-say/#gref I-5 Clean Energy Corridor needs freight-level EV charging 2020/06/17 ... An ambitious build-out of electric charging infrastructure for freight carriers along the West Coast I-5 corridor will need a major buy-in from utilities, customers, ... https://www.power-eng.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2020/06/I-5-Map.png For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20200628
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-CityQ-s-enclosed-e-Car-e-Bike-taking-pre-orders-tp4697866.html EVLN: CityQ’s enclosed e-Car/e-Bike> taking pre-orders CityQ’s enclosed electric Car-eBike begins taking pre-orders Jun. 19th 2020 ... riders aren’t protected from the weather, be it heavy rain or the glaring sun ... And now the Oslo-based company has opened pre-orders for its Car-eBike as it prepares for 2021 deliveries ... https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/06/104096167_256449559137559_2256503365219059746_n.jpg http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-ICat-solarCat-pv-powered-hr-e-boat-sustainable-eco-transport-tp4697867.html EVLN: ICat solarCat pv-powered .hr e-boat> sustainable eco-transport Solar-powered electric boat ‘solarCat’ presented on Zagreb’s Lake Jarun ZAGREB, 13 JUNE 2020 – The President of Croatia Zoran Milanovi? has participated in the presentation and promotional ride of the solar-powered electric boat ... ICat ... “solarCat” as an example of a sustainable and environmentally friendly mode of transport that is already used in Croatia for tourism ... https://www.croatiaweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/solarcat3.jpg + .cn Buick Velite 7 previews upcoming GM Bolt crossover EV I-5 Clean Energy Corridor needs freight-level EV charging http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Car-size-fire-blanket-smothers-EV-li-ion-fire-reignitions-tp4697852.html Car-size fire-blanket smothers EV li-ion fire reignitions Giant Fire Blanket Helps Cut Battery Reignition In Electric Car Blazes Jun 19, 2020 ... there is no fire without oxygen ... with a giant fire blanket ... https://youtu.be/yO8cVWOqZcg For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Car-size fire-blanket smothers EV li-ion fire reignitions
This might work, but the fact is that nearly all EVs have metal-oxide (ie cobalt) li-ion cells than make their own oxygen internally. Basically a fire blanket is useless in an EV fire, and might even exacerbate an EV fire by holding in the heat. What works is water applied liberally and continuously to the battery pack to keep the undamaged cells in the pack cool. Thermal management, rather than oxygen starvation (which is impossible.) Bill D. On 6/22/2020 8:41 AM, evln via EV wrote: https://insideevs.com/news/429647/giant-fire-blanket-cuts-reignition-ev-blazes/ Giant Fire Blanket Helps Cut Battery Reignition In Electric Car Blazes Jun 19, 2020 ... there is no fire without oxygen ... with a giant fire blanket ... https://youtu.be/yO8cVWOqZcg For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html {brucedp.neocities.org} -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Car-size fire-blanket smothers EV li-ion fire reignitions
I had an idea once. Dump the electrolyte in a fire. That stops the battery reaction and stops the fire. I'd bet you could make a heat sensitive relief valve (at the bottom) and as the battery heats up, it would dump the electrolyte (which is getting hot anyway and would eitherpour via gravity or perhaps boil out the relief valve). It would make a mess...but I bet it would work. -- If we don't halt population growth with justice and compassion, it will be done for us by nature, brutally and without pity - and will leave a ravaged world. Nobel Laureate Dr. Henry W. Kendall On Sunday, June 21, 2020, 4:15:34 PM PDT, Bill Dube via EV wrote: This might work, but the fact is that nearly all EVs have metal-oxide (ie cobalt) li-ion cells than make their own oxygen internally. Basically a fire blanket is useless in an EV fire, and might even exacerbate an EV fire by holding in the heat. What works is water applied liberally and continuously to the battery pack to keep the undamaged cells in the pack cool. Thermal management, rather than oxygen starvation (which is impossible.) Bill D. On 6/22/2020 8:41 AM, evln via EV wrote: > > https://insideevs.com/news/429647/giant-fire-blanket-cuts-reignition-ev-blazes/ > Giant Fire Blanket Helps Cut Battery Reignition In Electric Car Blazes > Jun 19, 2020 ... there is no fire without oxygen ... with a giant fire > blanket ... > https://youtu.be/yO8cVWOqZcg > > > > > For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: > http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html > > > {brucedp.neocities.org} > > -- > Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200621/7caf9132/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Car-size fire-blanket smothers EV li-ion fire reignitions
I’m not buying it. LiCoO2 batteries have their own oxygen source that it why the Dreamliner Halon system didn’t work when they had battery fires. If they left it that battery would have continued to burn. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 21, 2020, at 3:41 PM, evln via EV wrote: > > > > https://insideevs.com/news/429647/giant-fire-blanket-cuts-reignition-ev-blazes/ > Giant Fire Blanket Helps Cut Battery Reignition In Electric Car Blazes > Jun 19, 2020 ... there is no fire without oxygen ... with a giant fire > blanket ... > https://youtu.be/yO8cVWOqZcg > > > > > For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: > http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html > > > {brucedp.neocities.org} > > -- > Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Car-size fire-blanket smothers EV li-ion fire reignitions
The "Triangle of Fire" shows that there are 3 things necessary to sustain a (traditional/house) fire: Fuel, Oxygen and Heat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_triangle Obviously, in a chemical fire this can change but the idea of fire extinguishing stays the same: Remove *ONE* element of the triangle to stop the fire. In this case of electrolyte producing both Fuel and Oxygen, the only element that you can remove is the necessary Heat to sustain the combustion. So, that is what firefighters are doing - even on electrical fires in EV battery boxes. Cor. On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 7:08 PM Lawrence Winiarski via EV wrote: > > I had an idea once. Dump the electrolyte in a fire. That stops the > battery reaction and stops the fire. I'd bet you could make a > heat sensitive relief valve (at the bottom) and as the battery heats up, it > would dump the electrolyte (which is getting hot anyway and would eitherpour > via gravity or perhaps boil out the relief valve). It would make a mess...but > I bet it would work. > > > -- If we don't halt population growth with justice and compassion, it will be > done for us by nature, brutally and without pity - and will leave a ravaged > world. Nobel Laureate Dr. Henry W. Kendall > > > On Sunday, June 21, 2020, 4:15:34 PM PDT, Bill Dube via EV > wrote: > > This might work, but the fact is that nearly all EVs have metal-oxide > (ie cobalt) li-ion cells than make their own oxygen internally. > Basically a fire blanket is useless in an EV fire, and might even > exacerbate an EV fire by holding in the heat. > > What works is water applied liberally and continuously to the battery > pack to keep the undamaged cells in the pack cool. > Thermal management, rather than oxygen starvation (which is impossible.) > > Bill D. > > On 6/22/2020 8:41 AM, evln via EV wrote: > > > > https://insideevs.com/news/429647/giant-fire-blanket-cuts-reignition-ev-blazes/ > > Giant Fire Blanket Helps Cut Battery Reignition In Electric Car Blazes > > Jun 19, 2020 ... there is no fire without oxygen ... with a giant fire > > blanket ... > > https://youtu.be/yO8cVWOqZcg > > > > > > > > > > For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: > > http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > > https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html > > > > > > {brucedp.neocities.org} > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ > > ___ > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200621/7caf9132/attachment.html> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)