[EVDL] EVLN: Freedom3 Electric Defender Released To The African Wilds
http://www.lro.com/news-reviews/2014/9/african-electric-defender-released-to-the-wild/ African Electric Defender Released To The Wild BY: Theo Ford-Sagers 02.09.2014 [image http://assets.bauer-wolke.co.uk/imagegen/cr/340/275/Assets/LRO/2014/09/02/21874/News_ElectricDefender2.jpg Range on the sandy tracks of Botswana is about 75 miles ] South African company Freedon Won has completed a its first electric game viewing vehicle in Botswana, based on a Land Rover Defender. African Electric Defender Released To The Wild Range on the sandy tracks of Botswana is about 75 miles Known as ‘Freedom3’, the Defender 130 is destined for the Chobe Game Lodge in Botswana’s Chobe National Park, where it will be driven two or three times every day, transporting guests around the reserve. Aside from the obvious environmental benefits of being electric, Freedom3 is also able to get closer to game wildlife, thanks to being silent when it’s stationary, with no noisy diesel engine ticking over. Driving the wheels is a 80kW permanent magnet motor, coupled directly to the original transfer case, delivering 442 lb ft (600Nm) of torque – that’s the same torque as a TDV6 Range Rover. High and low ratio, and diff lock, are both retained, so it should be as reliable in the rough stuff as regular ‘old-school’ Land Rover. It’s all pretty high-tech. Power comes from a 35kWh battery that delivers 580V to a high-tech inverter that manipulates the DC current into a ‘precision controlled variable frequency three-phase AC sign wave’ current. That super-high voltage allows for greater efficiency and helps preserve the lifespan of the expensive lithium cells (aside from giving a good excuse to put AC/DC on the stereo…). Keeping it all safe are double layers of insulation, and plenty of fuses and contactors that isolate the inverter when the vehicle is switched off. Charging from a dedicated Electric Vehicle parking bay, using a simple 30Amp 230V single phase power source, takes just two to three hours in most cases, but a full charge from empty will take 6 hours. Electricity comes from the Victoria Falls hydroelectric power scheme. Freedom3’s range on the sandy tracks of Botswana is about 75 miles (120km), but on the open road she’ll manage 93 miles (150km) if driven carefully. Not bad considering Land Rover’s own electric Defender 110 development vehicles fizzled out after 50 miles (although to be fair, that’s with a train on the back – see our Oct 2013 issue!). She’s the first of a number of electric vehicles planned to come out of the collaboration between Freedom Won and the Chobe Game Lodge. Freedom Won started developing electric conversions ten years ago. You can read more about their previous projects by visiting the Freedom Won Website. [© lro.com] ... http://www.lro.com/news-reviews/2014/9/african-electric-defender-released-to-the-wild/#http://freedomwon.co.za/freedomwon.html For EVLN posts use: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_pagenode=413529query=evlnsort=date http://www.torquenews.com/2250/lexus-proudly-persists-misleading-ev-attack-ad Lexus proudly persists with misleading anti-EV attack ad, again http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-electric-vehicle-sales-20140903-story.html Electrified car sales stall as buyers back away from hybrids ... http://www.plugincars.com/electric-car-sales-doing-fine-if-you-dont-count-hybrids-130081.html Electric Car Sales Doing Just Fine (If You Don't Count Hybrids) http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aeco/201409030019.aspx Hon Hai to develop $15k EVs in Shanxi, northern China ... http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Hon-Hai-Foxconn-talks-electric-cars-priced-under-US-15-000-tp4670242.html Hon-Hai/Foxconn talks electric cars priced under US$15k [2014/06/05] http://www.islingtongazette.co.uk/news/transport_2_3194/islington_council_stopping_us_going_green_says_highbury_businessman_1_3748275 Islington.uk blocking businesses from using public EVSE + EVLN: CA Initiatives Ca$h-in A Clunker Buy An EV {brucedp.150m.com} -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Freedom3-Electric-Defender-Released-To-The-African-Wilds-tp4671420.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Menacing Copper-Theives A 'Cut Steal'EVSEScourge
tomw via EV wrote: EVSE availability varies greatly with area of the country. That's for sure. Where we live, there's an EVSE at the Nissan dealer in St. Cloud MN (about 10 miles away). Beyond that, the next one is in Brooklyn Park MN, (65 miles away). When we test drove a Nissan Leaf, 2/3 of the charging stations they showed aren't actually present or available to the general public. None beyond the two I listed are within range of the Leaf. Pretty slim pickings! -- If you would not be forgotten When your body's dead and rotten Then write of great deeds worth the reading Or do these great deeds, worth repeating. -- Ben Franklin, from Poor Richard's Almanac -- Lee Hart's EV projects are at http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA Initiatives Ca$h-in A Clunker Buy An EV
On 6 Sep 2014 at 1:25, brucedp5 via EV wrote: Provision supposition $70+k buyers don't need financial incentives Among the provisions of the Charge Ahead California Initiative, or Senate Bill 1275, is one that funds vouchers specifically targeting lower-income Californians and communities of color. This is the sort of approach that plays well to many people. Heck, who's going to argue that already-wealthy folks should get handed cash to buy expensive cars? What's more, as I understand the FEDERAL tax credits (someone correct me if this is wrong), they actually DO benefit higher income folks more, because those people have higher taxes for the tax credits to balance out. They get their incentives faster. I'll probably get flamed for saying this, maybe with reason. But I think we have to consider - statistically speaking, who are the green buyers? Who are the people with education and genuine interest in EVs for what they are? Who are the folks who have GARAGES where they can charge EVs at home? I know, it doesn't look good to give incentives to folks who don't need them. But what is California trying to do here? If cleaner air is really what the state wants, IMO they should be glad you're considering an EV at all, and willing to help make it happen, regardless of your income level. ALL Californians breathe and benefit from the resulting cleaner air, no matter how much money they make, no? David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] National Drive Electric Week
I hope everyone with an EV is planning to make it to a National Drive Electric Event within a couple of weeks. I'm helping out with and attending the one in Syracuse, NY: https://driveelectricweek.org/event.php?eventid=125 To find the event near you go to https://driveelectricweek.org/events.php Thanks. Greg ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Earth Drive-Electric Week
[ref http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/National-Drive-Electric-Week-tp4671425.html ] NY isn't the only EVent happening the week of Sept 15-21, looking at their EVent page https://driveelectricweek.org/events.php you can find one of these EVents near you. Also you can see by the map that there are EVents happening in Canada, and in Europe. So, really this celebration has grown beyond just the U.S. Perhaps it should be called an International or World Drive Electric Week. {brucedp.150m.com} -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/National-Drive-Electric-Week-tp4671425p4671427.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA Initiatives Ca$h-in A Clunker Buy An EV
Yes, tax credits are unavailble to people with little or no taxable income. On my PV array, I got a $1 tax credit from Uncle. The lovely state of North Carolina made the credit a little more at $10500. This particular credit allows you only 5 or 6 years to get it back. No problem getting it out of Uncle, but it may take 5 or 6 years with NC because the tax liability is much less. The savings from a PV array add up at a reasonable pace. It is also less likely a person with few resources could pay for the array or have sufficient credit to borrow for it. Where we are talking about cars that cost 3+ times more than a PV array, there are far fewer people are able to gain the incentive. The PV makes sense for me, but no current incentives would make a car worth considering - from an economic POV. If you can actually chuck out $3 or more for a car, then I guess this becomes interesting. I don't even want to insure such a thing. On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 2:34 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 6 Sep 2014 at 1:25, brucedp5 via EV wrote: Provision supposition $70+k buyers don't need financial incentives Among the provisions of the Charge Ahead California Initiative, or Senate Bill 1275, is one that funds vouchers specifically targeting lower-income Californians and communities of color. This is the sort of approach that plays well to many people. Heck, who's going to argue that already-wealthy folks should get handed cash to buy expensive cars? What's more, as I understand the FEDERAL tax credits (someone correct me if this is wrong), they actually DO benefit higher income folks more, because those people have higher taxes for the tax credits to balance out. They get their incentives faster. I'll probably get flamed for saying this, maybe with reason. But I think we have to consider - statistically speaking, who are the green buyers? Who are the people with education and genuine interest in EVs for what they are? Who are the folks who have GARAGES where they can charge EVs at home? I know, it doesn't look good to give incentives to folks who don't need them. But what is California trying to do here? If cleaner air is really what the state wants, IMO they should be glad you're considering an EV at all, and willing to help make it happen, regardless of your income level. ALL Californians breathe and benefit from the resulting cleaner air, no matter how much money they make, no? David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama * Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, The summer day. To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 550-2430 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell (919) 513-0418 Desk michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140906/fb22230d/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Earth Drive-Electric Week
Do not forget Mexico, We are having our 2nd 'International Plug In Day' event too. (In Hermosillo, Mexico) We dephased a week later since some friends from Tuson and Phoenix Az are joining us after NDEW. (Go for pictures) https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.619062318157439.1073741837.586181398112198type=3 Now having support from NISSAN Zero Emissions Mexico division. A very succsesfull and full of people event last year! (For some media and tv documentals) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wklkQ_c3CWM http://youtu.be/GAHbjmNLSJQ Marco Gaxiola Enviado desde mi iPhone El 06/09/2014, a las 01:28 p.m., brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org escribió: [ref http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/National-Drive-Electric-Week-tp4671425.html ] NY isn't the only EVent happening the week of Sept 15-21, looking at their EVent page https://driveelectricweek.org/events.php you can find one of these EVents near you. Also you can see by the map that there are EVents happening in Canada, and in Europe. So, really this celebration has grown beyond just the U.S. Perhaps it should be called an International or World Drive Electric Week. {brucedp.150m.com} -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/National-Drive-Electric-Week-tp4671425p4671427.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140906/486b95a9/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Radios for Natl Drive Electric Week!
For Natl Drive Electric Week, we need to get the word out to all EV drivers that they can all communicate car-to-car via any FRS walkie talkie. The national channel for EV-to-EV communications is channel 3 tone 5. This makes it easy to communicate with other EV's without having to carry ten thousand phone numbers. These radios are less than $15 each in pairs and every EV should carry one during events. See the page: http://aprs.org/EV-radio.html Bob Bruninga, WB4APR IEEE National Committee on Transportation and Aerospace EV Association of DC/MD -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140906/cdc70ae9/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA Initiatives Ca$h-in A Clunker Buy An EV
On Sep 6, 2014, at 1:25 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Provision supposition $70+k buyers don't need financial incentives Almost, but not quite. The current incentives to buy a ZEV will remain in place, so there is still an incentive to buy a ZEV. The new bill gives some real incentives to swap their older, higher polluting vehicle for the cleanest ones. One barrier to retiring older vehicles is that low income folks can't afford to replace the old and dirty with new and clean. The bill will be good for spurring the ZEV market at all price points, and with increased demand for ZEVs, ZEV costs will likely drop. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA Initiatives Ca$h-in A Clunker Buy An EV
I reread my post, and see it wasn't clear. Here it is again, hopefully clearer: Almost, but not quite. The current incentives for higher income people to buy a ZEV will remain in place, so there is still an incentive to buy a ZEV. The new bill gives some real incentives for low income people to swap their older, higher polluting vehicle for the cleanest ones. One barrier to retiring older vehicles is that low income folks can't afford to replace the old and dirty with new and clean. The bill will be good for spurring the ZEV market at all price points, and with increased demand for ZEVs, ZEV costs will likely drop. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 6, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Mark Abramowitz ma...@enviropolicy.com wrote: On Sep 6, 2014, at 1:25 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Provision supposition $70+k buyers don't need financial incentives Almost, but not quite. The current incentives to buy a ZEV will remain in place, so there is still an incentive to buy a ZEV. The new bill gives some real incentives to swap their older, higher polluting vehicle for the cleanest ones. One barrier to retiring older vehicles is that low income folks can't afford to replace the old and dirty with new and clean. The bill will be good for spurring the ZEV market at all price points, and with increased demand for ZEVs, ZEV costs will likely drop. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Earth Drive-Electric Week
On 6 Sep 2014 at 19:16, Rush Dougherty via EV wrote: Now here's a true supporter of EV's , he 'dephased' their event! Not to put words in his mouth, but I think he means rescheduled. As someone who's currently wrestling with learning another language (more of a challenge now than it was in my student days), I try to be open minded when folks who aren't native English speakers accidentally use the wrong English word. English is one of the world's more difficult languages. I'm also pleased to hear that EVs are gaining some traction (so to speak) in Mexico. I trust that you are too. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA Initiatives Ca$h-in A Clunker Buy An EV
We already do have incentives open to everyone, so not inconsistent with your view. Mostly it's not the high income folks that have the clunkers we want off the roads. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 6, 2014, at 11:34 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 6 Sep 2014 at 1:25, brucedp5 via EV wrote: Provision supposition $70+k buyers don't need financial incentives Among the provisions of the Charge Ahead California Initiative, or Senate Bill 1275, is one that funds vouchers specifically targeting lower-income Californians and communities of color. This is the sort of approach that plays well to many people. Heck, who's going to argue that already-wealthy folks should get handed cash to buy expensive cars? What's more, as I understand the FEDERAL tax credits (someone correct me if this is wrong), they actually DO benefit higher income folks more, because those people have higher taxes for the tax credits to balance out. They get their incentives faster. I'll probably get flamed for saying this, maybe with reason. But I think we have to consider - statistically speaking, who are the green buyers? Who are the people with education and genuine interest in EVs for what they are? Who are the folks who have GARAGES where they can charge EVs at home? I know, it doesn't look good to give incentives to folks who don't need them. But what is California trying to do here? If cleaner air is really what the state wants, IMO they should be glad you're considering an EV at all, and willing to help make it happen, regardless of your income level. ALL Californians breathe and benefit from the resulting cleaner air, no matter how much money they make, no? David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA Initiatives Ca$h-in A Clunker Buy An EV
On Sep 6, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Ed Blackmond via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Call me cynical, Cynical. :-) but based on the results of California's various incentive programs, the intent seems to be to make the carpool lanes as congested as possible, by allowing people who can afford the cost, to use them. Not the intent, as you put it, at all. By results, are you referring to sone specific data, or just personal observation? A number have made those observations about toll lanes, but that's a different issue. Certainly the new bill will allow more who can't afford ZEVs be able to afford them. If the carpool lanes are filled with single occupancy vehicles to the point where legitimate carpool users stop using them, are emissions really being reduced? Is traffic congestion reduced? Is the air cleaner? Certainly good questions. As far as emissions being reduced, I know there is data on that, though I don't have it handy. But a carpool might cut emissions in half (not exactly, as there are other factors like number of cold starts that impact those numbers), while a ZEV cuts by more than that. It also has an impact of providing an incentive for buyers who see a value. Can't have the air clean without ZEVs. As far as congestion, it's been too many years since I looked at any data, but SCAG and other regional planning agencies still see carpool lanes as a congestion reduction measure. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)