Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

[Mike Nickerson via EV]

True.  I actually meant I've only seen 20A outlets in commercial installations. 
 My house is wired with 20A circuits and 15A outlets.

On October 20, 2015 10:36:44 PM MDT, EVDL Administrator via EV 
 wrote:
>On 20 Oct 2015 at 19:34, Mike Nickerson via EV wrote:
>
>>  I've seen 20A circuits, but only in commercial installations. 
>
>You'll see plenty of 20a branch circuits in homes - all newer homes are
>
>wired this way - but 20a receptacles on them are indeed pretty rare.  
>
>This is because the code has an exception allowing cheaper 15a-rated 
>receptacles on a 20a branch circuit, as long as there's more than one
>outlet 
>on the circuit.  If there's only one receptacle on the circuit, it must
>be a 
>20a-rated recept.  (Code experts argue over whether a duplex receptacle
>
>counts as one or two outlets.)
>
>IIRC, the code ALLOWS but doesn't REQUIRE 20a-rated receptacles on a 
>multiple-receptacle 20a branch circuit.  I installed 120v 20a recepts
>on the 
>branch circuit in my garage to allow for better EV charging, though I'm
>not 
>100% convinced that (once you're beyond the 50 cent bargain bin junk 
>receptacles) there's much difference between the guts of a 15a-rated
>recept 
>and those of a 20-a rated recept.
>
>One more note about this.  Because code limits sustained load on a
>branch 
>circuit to 80% of its maximum, you can charge at no more than 1920
>Watts 
>from a 120v 20a residential branch circuit.  If your EV gets 250 Wh/mi
>and 
>has a typical 80% charging efficiency, you gain just over 6 miles of
>range 
>per hour of charging.  If you sleep 8 hours and charge while you sleep,
>
>that's 48 miles you can drive per day.
>
>It could be more than that, since some switchmode chargers do better
>than 
>80% efficiency.  Also, staying below 80% SOC increases battery charging
>
>efficiency.  But that's a pretty good rule of thumb.
>
>You're much better off going with a 240v circuit and charger.  A 240v
>20a 
>circuit gives you 3840 Watts, for over 12 miles of range per hour of 
>charging - 96 miles overnight.
>
>A 50a range / welder circuit is an even better bet, as long as your
>charger 
>has the guts to use it.  That recept allows 9.6kW charging.  At that
>rate 
>the EV described above gains over 30 miles of range for each hour of 
>charging - about 245 miles overnight.
>
>David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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[EVDL] Another KillaJoule article, Business Insider

[Bill Dube via EV]

Yet another article on Eva and the KillaJoule in Business Insider. Lots 
of very nice pictures:

http://www.businessinsider.com/woman-who-built-worlds-fastest-motorcycle-2015-10

The article was picked up by Yahoo Autos, where is got some serious 
distribution:

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/news/meet-woman-invented-worlds-fastest-motorcycle-164236772.html

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

[Cor van de Water via EV]

David,
Everyone always mentions 8 hours of charging overnight, but most commute
cars sit much longer in the garage than that on normal weekdays, my EV
has about 15 hours of charging time if I let it stay plugged from the
moment I get home till I leave the next morning. So, even at the 12A rate
from my 120V outlet (my garage outlets are on a 20A breaker in the service
panel, but the outlets are 15A type and I am using a power strip as a
short extension cord with on/off switch to disconnect power before
unplugging) I am getting about 1.5kW max power so with 80% efficient
charging this is 1.2kW into the battery pack for 15 hours is 18kWh
which covers all that I can drive with the truck. And since I can also
plug in at work, I can drive even more in a day if I want to.
All from charging at level 1 which is more than 99% of my charging
till date - until I get time to install my JuiceBox. Or more accurately,
to install the 240V plug for my JuiceBox.

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate,DC 
Quick-Charging Matter

On 20 Oct 2015 at 19:34, Mike Nickerson via EV wrote:

>  I've seen 20A circuits, but only in commercial installations. 

You'll see plenty of 20a branch circuits in homes - all newer homes are wired 
this way - but 20a receptacles on them are indeed pretty rare.  

This is because the code has an exception allowing cheaper 15a-rated 
receptacles on a 20a branch circuit, as long as there's more than one outlet on 
the circuit.  If there's only one receptacle on the circuit, it must be a 
20a-rated recept.  (Code experts argue over whether a duplex receptacle counts 
as one or two outlets.)

IIRC, the code ALLOWS but doesn't REQUIRE 20a-rated receptacles on a 
multiple-receptacle 20a branch circuit.  I installed 120v 20a recepts on the 
branch circuit in my garage to allow for better EV charging, though I'm not 
100% convinced that (once you're beyond the 50 cent bargain bin junk
receptacles) there's much difference between the guts of a 15a-rated recept and 
those of a 20-a rated recept.

One more note about this.  Because code limits sustained load on a branch 
circuit to 80% of its maximum, you can charge at no more than 1920 Watts from a 
120v 20a residential branch circuit.  If your EV gets 250 Wh/mi and has a 
typical 80% charging efficiency, you gain just over 6 miles of range per hour 
of charging.  If you sleep 8 hours and charge while you sleep, that's 48 miles 
you can drive per day.

It could be more than that, since some switchmode chargers do better than 80% 
efficiency.  Also, staying below 80% SOC increases battery charging efficiency. 
 But that's a pretty good rule of thumb.

You're much better off going with a 240v circuit and charger.  A 240v 20a 
circuit gives you 3840 Watts, for over 12 miles of range per hour of charging - 
96 miles overnight.

A 50a range / welder circuit is an even better bet, as long as your charger has 
the guts to use it.  That recept allows 9.6kW charging.  At that rate the EV 
described above gains over 30 miles of range for each hour of charging - about 
245 miles overnight.

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Re: [EVDL] Securing your portable L1 EVSE

[Jukka Järvinen via EV]

I have to wonder again how in earth have we survived so many decades
without those boxes? How many died or got a shock?

Luckily we are getting back to the easy life as the cables will be 'dumb'
again... all that smart stuff will be in the car and in the socket.

-Jukka
20.10.2015 17.24 "Bill Dube via EV"  kirjoitti:

> I latch the truck lid down on the cords in my Leaf, like the fellow with
> the Volt did in the video. Locks all the expensive charger bits in the car.
> You can also put it on the seat and run the window nearly closed, but that
> is not quite as secure. It is easier on the cords, however.
>
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

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On 20 Oct 2015 at 19:34, Mike Nickerson via EV wrote:

>  I've seen 20A circuits, but only in commercial installations. 

You'll see plenty of 20a branch circuits in homes - all newer homes are 
wired this way - but 20a receptacles on them are indeed pretty rare.  

This is because the code has an exception allowing cheaper 15a-rated 
receptacles on a 20a branch circuit, as long as there's more than one outlet 
on the circuit.  If there's only one receptacle on the circuit, it must be a 
20a-rated recept.  (Code experts argue over whether a duplex receptacle 
counts as one or two outlets.)

IIRC, the code ALLOWS but doesn't REQUIRE 20a-rated receptacles on a 
multiple-receptacle 20a branch circuit.  I installed 120v 20a recepts on the 
branch circuit in my garage to allow for better EV charging, though I'm not 
100% convinced that (once you're beyond the 50 cent bargain bin junk 
receptacles) there's much difference between the guts of a 15a-rated recept 
and those of a 20-a rated recept.

One more note about this.  Because code limits sustained load on a branch 
circuit to 80% of its maximum, you can charge at no more than 1920 Watts 
from a 120v 20a residential branch circuit.  If your EV gets 250 Wh/mi and 
has a typical 80% charging efficiency, you gain just over 6 miles of range 
per hour of charging.  If you sleep 8 hours and charge while you sleep, 
that's 48 miles you can drive per day.

It could be more than that, since some switchmode chargers do better than 
80% efficiency.  Also, staying below 80% SOC increases battery charging 
efficiency.  But that's a pretty good rule of thumb.

You're much better off going with a 240v circuit and charger.  A 240v 20a 
circuit gives you 3840 Watts, for over 12 miles of range per hour of 
charging - 96 miles overnight.

A 50a range / welder circuit is an even better bet, as long as your charger 
has the guts to use it.  That recept allows 9.6kW charging.  At that rate 
the EV described above gains over 30 miles of range for each hour of 
charging - about 245 miles overnight.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

[Mike Beem via EV]

I have a 30 amp 120 volt outlet under my house which is used for "shore
power" for my 5th wheel RV. That is the only application I have ever seen
it used in. I run a 10 gauge 3 wire "extension cord" out to the RV.
Michael B

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Mike Nickerson via EV 
wrote:

> Same experience in Idaho as David's in Ohio.  The entire garage is wired
> with one circuit, using 15A outlets.  I've seen 20A circuits, but only in
> commercial installations.  I've never seen a 30A outlet that was 120V.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On October 20, 2015 1:24:45 PM MDT, EVDL Administrator via EV <
> ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
> >On 20 Oct 2015 at 8:42, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
> >
> >> All the garages I'm familiar with have 30A circuits. Garages
> >typically get
> >> used for power equipment like saws that need heavy draws. If there's
> >a single
> >> 30A circuit in the entire house, it'll be in the garage.
> >
> >I'm confused here.  Are you still talking 120v?  If I'm not mistaken,
> >by the
> >NEC, a 30a 120v circuit would have to be a dedicated circuit with a
> >single
> >30a (NEMA 5-30 or 6-30) receptacle on it.
> >
> >Not that that's impossible to have such a circuit, but I can't imagine
> >what
> >normal domestic purpose it would serve.  Any home appliance that
> >requires
> >that kind of power is almost always a 240v appliance.
> >
> >I've NEVER seen a 30a 120v circuit in a garage here in Ohio.  Heck, I
> >don't
> >think I recall ever seeing one in a house, either, though I have seen
> >them
> >in commercial settings.
> >
> >However, I HAVE seen countless 30a 240v dryer receptacles and 50a range
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

[Mike Nickerson via EV]

Same experience in Idaho as David's in Ohio.  The entire garage is wired with 
one circuit, using 15A outlets.  I've seen 20A circuits, but only in commercial 
installations.  I've never seen a 30A outlet that was 120V.

Mike


On October 20, 2015 1:24:45 PM MDT, EVDL Administrator via EV 
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>On 20 Oct 2015 at 8:42, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
>
>> All the garages I'm familiar with have 30A circuits. Garages
>typically get
>> used for power equipment like saws that need heavy draws. If there's
>a single
>> 30A circuit in the entire house, it'll be in the garage.
>
>I'm confused here.  Are you still talking 120v?  If I'm not mistaken,
>by the 
>NEC, a 30a 120v circuit would have to be a dedicated circuit with a
>single 
>30a (NEMA 5-30 or 6-30) receptacle on it.  
>
>Not that that's impossible to have such a circuit, but I can't imagine
>what 
>normal domestic purpose it would serve.  Any home appliance that
>requires 
>that kind of power is almost always a 240v appliance.
>
>I've NEVER seen a 30a 120v circuit in a garage here in Ohio.  Heck, I
>don't 
>think I recall ever seeing one in a house, either, though I have seen
>them 
>in commercial settings.
>
>However, I HAVE seen countless 30a 240v dryer receptacles and 50a range

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

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On 20 Oct 2015 at 8:42, Ben Goren via EV wrote:

> All the garages I'm familiar with have 30A circuits. Garages typically get
> used for power equipment like saws that need heavy draws. If there's a single
> 30A circuit in the entire house, it'll be in the garage.

I'm confused here.  Are you still talking 120v?  If I'm not mistaken, by the 
NEC, a 30a 120v circuit would have to be a dedicated circuit with a single 
30a (NEMA 5-30 or 6-30) receptacle on it.  

Not that that's impossible to have such a circuit, but I can't imagine what 
normal domestic purpose it would serve.  Any home appliance that requires 
that kind of power is almost always a 240v appliance.

I've NEVER seen a 30a 120v circuit in a garage here in Ohio.  Heck, I don't 
think I recall ever seeing one in a house, either, though I have seen them 
in commercial settings.

However, I HAVE seen countless 30a 240v dryer receptacles and 50a range 
receptacles in homes and garages.  The latter are often used for an arc 
welder.  Maybe that's what you meant?

> Anything much older than [the Carter Administration] and it's going to
> have to be re-wired anyway to be brought up to code. 

Your building authority must be pretty strict there.  Around here, even the 
oldest houses are acceptable, no upgrades required at sale, as long as they 
met code when they were built. Heck, a guy I knew bought a house in the 
1980s; it still had the original 120v only, 2-wire service with 4 fuses in 
the panel!

Now, if you change something - even just moving a receptacle - THEN you have 
to bring that portion of the wiring up to code.  Depending on the situation, 
that can sometimes trigger a major wiring project.

FWIW, I've charged EVs at a home built many years before the Carter 
Administration (1959).  The main panel was rated 100 amps.  It had enough 
capacity to easily support an extra 240v 20a circuit.  

Even a 60a service would probably suffice for an EV if you didn't try to 
also use too many other large electric appliances (aircon, water heater, 
range, dryer).

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Re: [EVDL] Securing your portable L1 EVSE (park on it)

[Rush Dougherty via EV]

>From what my cable/cord vendors have told me, it is a not a good practice to 
>run
over, or put your tires on any kind of cord. It shortens their life. The action
of the tire rolling over the cord causes the wires inside to twist and adds to
failure, and the jacket of the cord is stressed so that it then fails sooner.

just my 2 micro amps worth...

Rush Dougherty
www.TucsonEV.com


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>
> If I use my converter cable to plug in, then I lay the cable(s) in front of my
tire and then drive
> forward so the wheel is on the cable(s) and it is not trivial to get away with
any piece.
>
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> Or just screw a small band of metal on the bottom which extends 6" or so.  You
can drive
> over the plate extension, locking the EVSE to the ground.
>
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> To: "Bill Dube" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
> ; "dovepa" 
> Sent: 20-Oct-15 8:22:45 AM
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> >I've been wanting to make a small wood box with open bottom that the
> >EVSE sits in and they you back the car wheel over it.  The car sits on
> >the box and no one can steal it.
> >
> >bob
> >
> >-Original Message-
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> >To: dovepa; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> >Subject: [EVDL] Securing your portable L1 EVSE
> >
> >I latch the truck lid down on the cords in my Leaf, like the fellow
> >with the Volt did in the video. Locks all the expensive charger bits in
> >the car.
> >You can also put it on the seat and run the window nearly closed, but
> >that is not quite as secure. It is easier on the cords, however.
> >
> >Bill D.
> >
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Re: [EVDL] Securing your portable L1 EVSE (park on it)

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If I use my converter cable to plug in, then I lay the cable(s) in front
of my tire and then drive forward so the wheel is on the cable(s)
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-Original Message-
From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 8:30 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Securing your portable L1 EVSE (park on it)

Or just screw a small band of metal on the bottom which extends 6" or so.  You 
can drive over the plate extension, locking the EVSE to the ground.

Peri

-- Original Message --
From: "Robert Bruninga via EV" 
To: "Bill Dube" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
; "dovepa" 
Sent: 20-Oct-15 8:22:45 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Securing your portable L1 EVSE (park on it)

>I've been wanting to make a small wood box with open bottom that the 
>EVSE sits in and they you back the car wheel over it.  The car sits on 
>the box and no one can steal it.
>
>bob
>
>-Original Message-
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>EV
>Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 10:24 AM
>To: dovepa; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
>Subject: [EVDL] Securing your portable L1 EVSE
>
>I latch the truck lid down on the cords in my Leaf, like the fellow 
>with the Volt did in the video. Locks all the expensive charger bits in 
>the car.
>You can also put it on the seat and run the window nearly closed, but 
>that is not quite as secure. It is easier on the cords, however.
>
>Bill D.
>
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

[Peri Hartman via EV]

You're in Phoenix.  There are many cities across the country with 
apartments built before cars were around or, at least, before a family 
owned more than one car.  Couple that with dense neighborhoods where 
people may own cars but don't use them on a daily basis.  Many people 
have cars without off-street parking.


As an example, in Brooklyn NY, I have a couple friends who both own 
cars.  I can assure you that they don't have any dedicated parking.  
They usually find a place within a block or two of their apartment.  
(Clearly, they aren't using their car everyday - it's primarily for 
weekend out-of-town trips.)  If they wanted to buy an EV, they would 
essentially require a level 3 location to get charged from time to time. 
 Many people in Brooklyn (or Queens, or...) have the same situation.


I'm in Seattle,  Most houses have room for one off street parking place; 
some apartments have off street parking but, overall, mostly rely on 
on-street parking.  Many people cannot charge where they park.


Same for Portland.  Same for many cities across the US.

For us early adopters, we have charging solutions that work.  For now, 
we can ignore the denser neighborhoods and focus on getting 
home-charging installed in suburban aparments.  But the next big wave - 
consisting of urban car owners  - will be stymied if they have to rely 
on charging at home.


Peri

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Sent: 20-Oct-15 8:38:26 AM
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Quick-Charging Matter



On Oct 19, 2015, at 2:24 PM, Jim Walls  wrote:

 I've never lived in an apartment, but I know people who often have to 
park blocks from home because that's the closest parking.


It might be a zoning thing here, but every apartment complex in the 
Phoenix area is pretty much guaranteed to have at least one and often 
more on-site parking spots for every dwelling. Typical (but not 
universal) is one or two designated covered spots per dwelling and 
about as many uncovered spots for guests.


The same applies for commercial spaces. Designated employee spots 
sufficient for all employees, plus "enough" (based on some formula) 
spots for customers.


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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

[Robert Bruninga via EV]

The ultimate L1 charging is a simple retractable standard 120v cord from
the car with the EVSE inside the car.  Just like a vacuum cleaner.  The
three prong 120v plug on the other end of an EVSE is indistinguishable from
the 3 prong plug on the end of a retractible cord (and the EVSSE circuitry
is inside the car) so you cannot argue that it is unsafe.  No more unsafe
than plugging in a vacuum cleaner.



See how we added a retractible cord from Home Depot to a Leaf:



http://aprs.org/charging-DIY.html



Bob, WB4aPR



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*Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2015 7:32 PM
*To:* Robert Bruninga; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
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Quick-Charging Matter



On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV 
wrote:

It is unsustainable to expect that people without EV charging at home or
at work (both can be 115 volt) will be happy to leave their cars for hours
every day somewhewre else every single day.  Or that there will ever be
enough such public chargers.

No, the only practical answer remains (for the dail commuter), to provide
provisions for people to plug in while parked at home.  Even if this means
on-street parking having outlets.



​I'm getting more used to the idea of L1 charging being pretty useful, but
I have one remaining objection to it - L1 chargers.  Currently, using L1
charging means carrying your OEM EVSE with you and plugging it in.  You
can't always expect to have an outlet right at your parking spot, so you
also need an extension cord.  That's a significant inconvenience.  I
wouldn't mind it so much, but that could be enough for John Q. Public to
say, "What a pain.  I'm getting a gas car."



Not only that, but you're plugging in your OEM EVSE​



​and leaving it where anyone can walk away with it.  At ~$300​ a pop,
that's a significant risk.  I will likely end up with L1 charging where I
work, but with my i-MiEV's rear-fender charging port I can run an extension
cord to the outlet, leave my EVSE in the trunk, plug the charging head into
the port and lock my trunk using a latch extender (that I'll have to make)
to leave a gap for the cords.  I don't know if I'd charge in a public place
if I couldn't do that.



The longer-term solution is probably permanently-installed L1 charger cords
with the charging head attached.  Fixes both the convenience and theft
problems, but costs $200 instead of $5.
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

[Ben Goren via EV]

All the garages I'm familiar with have 30A circuits. Garages typically get used 
for power equipment like saws that need heavy draws. If there's a single 30A 
circuit in the entire house, it'll be in the garage.

...and that's the case with houses built as far back as the Carter 
administration. Anything much older than that and it's going to have to be 
re-wired anyway to be brought up to code.

b&

On Oct 20, 2015, at 7:28 AM, tomw via EV  wrote:

> "If you figure 3 miles per kWh for a typical EV, you'll recharge at about 10
> MPH from a standard 110 circuit."
> 
> Charging at 3.3kW would indeed permit about 10 mph charging rate but I think
> you won't find many 120V rms outlets that will supply the required 28A rms
> current or 30A at 110V.  You may find some dedicated 120V outlets that will
> supply 20A rms, or about 2.4 kW, which would permit a charging rate of 7.2
> mph, and many will be limited to 15A or 5.4 mph charging rate.
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

[Ben Goren via EV]

On Oct 19, 2015, at 2:24 PM, Jim Walls  wrote:

> I've never lived in an apartment, but I know people who often have to park 
> blocks from home because that's the closest parking.

It might be a zoning thing here, but every apartment complex in the Phoenix 
area is pretty much guaranteed to have at least one and often more on-site 
parking spots for every dwelling. Typical (but not universal) is one or two 
designated covered spots per dwelling and about as many uncovered spots for 
guests.

The same applies for commercial spaces. Designated employee spots sufficient 
for all employees, plus "enough" (based on some formula) spots for customers.

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Re: [EVDL] Securing your portable L1 EVSE (park on it)

[Peri Hartman via EV]

Or just screw a small band of metal on the bottom which extends 6" or 
so.  You can drive over the plate extension, locking the EVSE to the 
ground.


Peri

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To: "Bill Dube" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion 
List" ; "dovepa" 

Sent: 20-Oct-15 8:22:45 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Securing your portable L1 EVSE (park on it)

I've been wanting to make a small wood box with open bottom that the 
EVSE
sits in and they you back the car wheel over it.  The car sits on the 
box

and no one can steal it.

bob

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EV

Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 10:24 AM
To: dovepa; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: [EVDL] Securing your portable L1 EVSE

I latch the truck lid down on the cords in my Leaf, like the fellow 
with

the Volt did in the video. Locks all the expensive charger bits in the
car.
You can also put it on the seat and run the window nearly closed, but 
that

is not quite as secure. It is easier on the cords, however.

Bill D.


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Re: [EVDL] Securing your portable L1 EVSE (park on it)

[Robert Bruninga via EV]

I've been wanting to make a small wood box with open bottom that the EVSE
sits in and they you back the car wheel over it.  The car sits on the box
and no one can steal it.

bob

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Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 10:24 AM
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Subject: [EVDL] Securing your portable L1 EVSE

I latch the truck lid down on the cords in my Leaf, like the fellow with
the Volt did in the video. Locks all the expensive charger bits in the
car.
You can also put it on the seat and run the window nearly closed, but that
is not quite as secure. It is easier on the cords, however.

Bill D.


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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

[tomw via EV]

"If you figure 3 miles per kWh for a typical EV, you'll recharge at about 10
MPH from a standard 110 circuit."

Charging at 3.3kW would indeed permit about 10 mph charging rate but I think
you won't find many 120V rms outlets that will supply the required 28A rms
current or 30A at 110V.  You may find some dedicated 120V outlets that will
supply 20A rms, or about 2.4 kW, which would permit a charging rate of 7.2
mph, and many will be limited to 15A or 5.4 mph charging rate.

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[EVDL] Securing your portable L1 EVSE

[Bill Dube via EV]

I latch the truck lid down on the cords in my Leaf, like the fellow with 
the Volt did in the video. Locks all the expensive charger bits in the car.
You can also put it on the seat and run the window nearly closed, but 
that is not quite as secure. It is easier on the cords, however.


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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC Quick-Charging Matter

[dovepa via EV]

I leave the charger in the vehicle and run the extension cord out the window.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message 
From: Chris Tromley via EV  Date: 10/19/2015  6:32 
PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Robert Bruninga , Electric Vehicle 
Discussion List  Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An 
Electric Car: Why Charging Rate,
  DC Quick-Charging Matter 
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV 
wrote:

> It is unsustainable to expect that people without EV charging at home or
> at work (both can be 115 volt) will be happy to leave their cars for hours
> every day somewhewre else every single day.  Or that there will ever be
> enough such public chargers.
>
> No, the only practical answer remains (for the dail commuter), to provide
> provisions for people to plug in while parked at home.  Even if this means
> on-street parking having outlets.
>

​I'm getting more used to the idea of L1 charging being pretty useful, but
I have one remaining objection to it - L1 chargers.  Currently, using L1
charging means carrying your OEM EVSE with you and plugging it in.  You
can't always expect to have an outlet right at your parking spot, so you
also need an extension cord.  That's a significant inconvenience.  I
wouldn't mind it so much, but that could be enough for John Q. Public to
say, "What a pain.  I'm getting a gas car."

Not only that, but you're plugging in your OEM EVSE​

​and leaving it where anyone can walk away with it.  At ~$300​ a pop,
that's a significant risk.  I will likely end up with L1 charging where I
work, but with my i-MiEV's rear-fender charging port I can run an extension
cord to the outlet, leave my EVSE in the trunk, plug the charging head into
the port and lock my trunk using a latch extender (that I'll have to make)
to leave a gap for the cords.  I don't know if I'd charge in a public place
if I couldn't do that.

The longer-term solution is probably permanently-installed L1 charger cords
with the charging head attached.  Fixes both the convenience and theft
problems, but costs $200 instead of $5.
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[EVDL] Securing your portable L1 EVSE

[brucedp5 via EV]

[ref
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-Buying-An-Electric-Car-Why-Charging-Rate-DC-Quick-Charging-Matter-tp4678177p4678188.html

>'Leaving the L1 EVSE where anyone can walk away with it at ~$300​ a pop
...'<
]

Like Chris' approach to secure his portable L1 EVSE, there are many
discussions on this in various plugin forums. Here are a couple links to
explore:

How To Protect Your Nissan LEAF Level 1 Charger From ...
http://insideevs.com/protect-nissan-leaf-level-1-charger-theft-video/
Oct 1, 2014 - Ever had your Nissan LEAF L1 charging cord stolen? ...
probably aware that the locking mechanism to secure your L1 charging unit
is, well…a little flimsy. ... Finally, the method Franck has adopted, to the
EVSE crossed in the ... We're just lucky that most thieves don't know the
value of the portable EVSE

Volt Quick Tips #0050 - Securing Your EVSE (portable ...
Video for secure lock portable evse l1▶ 5:38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb_pCrxbM0g
Oct 27, 2013 - Uploaded by Les Gainous
Volt Quick Tips #0050 - Securing Your EVSE (portable charger) ... (portable
charger) from both theft and ...




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[EVDL] EVent: EV rides @Experience Electric 10a-4p 10/24 Treasure_Island-CA

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://news.sys-con.com/node/3510727
Free Electric Vehicle Test-Drives Return to Bay Area
By PR Newswire  October 19, 2015

"Experience Electric" at Treasure Island Flea Oct. 24

SAN FRANCISCO, Oct. 19, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- The Metropolitan Transportation
Commission (MTC), the Bay Area Air Quality Management District and the
Center for Sustainable Energy this month kick off a new series of public
test-drive events through their "Experience Electric — #The Better Ride" 
campaign. The initiative is designed to spur electric vehicle adoption by
offering thousands of free test drives at public venues around the Bay Area.

The first public Experience Electric test-drive event for this year will be
on Saturday, Oct. 24, from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. at Treasure Island Flea on
Treasure Island in San Francisco. The next test-drive will be held Nov. 23
and Nov. 24 in conjunction with PG&E at the San Francisco Chronicle 58th
Annual International Auto Show at the Moscone Center, 747 Howard Street in
San Francisco.

The Experience Electric campaign features the latest electric vehicles (EVs)
from a variety of manufacturers, including BMW, Ford, General Motors, Nissan
and smart (subject to change). Licensed drivers can test vehicles free of
charge in a festive setting with no sales pressure. The campaign's goal is
to accelerate EV adoption through purchase, leasing and car-sharing
programs. In 2014, Experience Electric hosted more than 4,250 EV test drives
at 21 community events around the Bay Area.

"As an EV driver myself, I believe giving people a chance to see for
themselves just how quick, responsive and fun it is to drive an electric
vehicle can lead to more people buying or leasing EVs," said Santa Clara
County Supervisor and MTC Chair Dave Cortese. "And boosting EV adoption is a
great way to help the Bay Area improve air quality and meet its state
targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions. Plus, you get unlimited
access to freeway carpool lanes."

"There already are more all-electric vehicles in the Bay Area than any other
region in the state," added Berkeley Mayor Tom Bates, who also serves as an
MTC Commissioner and Air District Director. "We want to build on this
leadership and make the Bay Area the EV capital of the nation. The way to do
it is to get drivers to actually experience an EV in a fun, no-pressure
setting."

Noting that MTC and the Air District aim to boost the number of EVs in the
region to 100,000 or more, Bates said, "We're confident consumers will go
electric when they actually try the vehicles and hear from friends who have
tried them. EVs offer a fabulously smooth ride and are wonderfully quiet –
in addition to the terrific fuel savings and environmental benefits."

In California, EVs are more than 75 percent cleaner than the average
gasoline-powered vehicle, even after accounting for emissions from
electrical power plants. For drivers who have solar-generated power at home
or other "clean" power options, driving an EV can be nearly carbon-free.

MTC, in partnership with the Air District, led the development of the
Experience Electric strategy. MTC then selected the Center for Sustainable
Energy to conduct the campaign. For event details and to learn more about
Experience Electric and future Bay Area ride-and-drive events, visit
Facebook.com/TheBetterRide or energycenter.org/ExperienceElectric.

MTC is the transportation planning, financing and coordinating agency for
the nine-county San Francisco Bay Area. The Bay Area Air Quality Management
District is the regional agency chartered with protecting air quality in the
Bay Area. The Center for Sustainable Energy (CSE) is a national nonprofit
organization that helps consumers, businesses, governments and others adopt
energy efficiency, renewable energy and clean transportation.

Note to Editors: Reporters and editors interested in learning more about EVs
are encouraged to visit energycenter.org/ExperienceElectric. Media and
consumers are invited to join the conversation and to learn about events in
their communities online at Facebook.com/TheBetterRide or the campaign's
Twitter or Instagram accounts. EV experts and owners will be on hand for
interviews at all events.

PR
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[EVDL] Penchant-for-speed ebike-riding in India on abysmal potholed roads

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http://www.bangaloremirror.com/bangalore/others/Electric-city/articleshow/49387992.cms
Electric city
By Vidya Iyengar | Oct 16, 2015

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Tarun Kumar and Saraswathi ride their electric bikes to work every day
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They may be a handful, but Bengalureans are waking up to the advantages of
electric bikes to conserve natural resources

Bengalureans on bikes have a well-known penchant for speeding - even over
our city's abysmal roads and numerous potholes. But Shankar R Chugani aka
Shunky isn't one of them. In fact, he often finds himself being honked at by
impatient vehicles behind him. But he isn't about to budge. After all,
riding his Go GreenBOV electric bike at 40 km/ hour conserves the battery
charge. And given the state of our roads and the maddening traffic, it's not
like going any faster is a safe option anyway. "I'm choosing to ride an
electric bike to reduce the carbon footprint. So I don't bother," he says.
Chugani is one of the few Bengalureans who rides an electric bike on a daily
basis.

But it wasn't always so. Chugani (he lives in Murgeshpalya and works at
Jagriti in Whitefield) used to cycle or ride a Bajaj Pulsar [ice motorcycle]
to work. Then, in August 2014, when Jagdish Raja, founder of Jagriti Theatre
bought the vehicle for the theatre, he suggested that Chugani make use of
it. In the last one-and-a-half years, he has been riding 18 km back and
forth to work, and comes to MG Road, Indiranagar, Koramangala and Ulsoor
four times a week for open mic sessions. And he quickly realised that going
at over 40 km/hr would drain the battery. "Though the pace at which I ride
used to be a joke initially among friends, they now know that I'll be there
15 minutes after they've reached," he says.

There are a few challenges - "The initial pick up is a bit slow. Also since
I ride slowly to conserve charge, vehicles behind me are constantly honking.
Considering the state of the roads, I just can't ram into the potholes.
Neither can I always be completely on the left, since there are several bad
patches," he says. But the pros far outweigh the cons. Like the fact that
his monthly expense on transport is less than Rs 1,000. "It's not only
conserving resources but it's also a low-maintenance bike. I get it serviced
only four times a year," he says.

For others, like 29-year-old Tarun Kumar and his mother Saraswathi, the
biggest plus is the feeling of contributing to the environmental cause. They
own two bikes - a Hero Electric and Go GreenBOV- and have been using them to
get to work since 2012. "My mother used to ride a Kinetic Honda [ice
scooter], but decided to give it up. We felt that we're already taking up so
many natural resources. This is our way of conserving nature," he says.

Like Chugani, he's had a fair share of encounters with curious onlookers. He
recalls how two people - one in a Scorpio and another on an Activa [ice
scooters] - asked him the speed of the vehicle at a signal. "When I told
them that on an average it's 30 km/hr they laughed and sped away. I was
slightly embarrassed. But then I found them at two consecutive signals after
that. That's when I smiled and told them that thanks to the condition of the
roads, the average speed of any vehicle is between 25 and 35 km. And when I
pointed out that all of us ended up waiting at the same signal anyway, they
had no answer," Kumar says.

The structural engineer, who conducts several site visits in a week, rarely
takes out his car. On the other hand, his mother is completely dependent on
the electric vehicle. While he mostly does short trips in and around
Basavanagudi, he's even ridden to Hoskote on the electric vehicle. Since he
gets it serviced only twice a year, Kumar says that the vehicle he bought
for Rs 39,000 doesn't require much maintenance. "And safety is not a concern
since the vehicle goes at a manageable speed," he says. Kumar charges the
vehicle 20 times a month and has saved Rs 300 on fuel.

Chugani on the other hand charges the bike four times a week for six hours
every time. And he appreciates the fact that it does not make as much of a
noise while revving as his Pulsar [ice motorcycle] would. He recalls how a
couple of years ago when he used to return home late on his Pulsar, the
stray dogs in his locality would get startled, bark and chase him. "But now,
not even one dog wakes up when I get back home," he says.

The testimonials are heartening for Dhivik Reddy, founder and CEO of Go
GreenBOV, who says it was his father who came up with the idea, which the
son then translated into action. At present there are between 14,000 to
16,000 electric bikes they've sold, on the road. "But the problem is the
lack of awareness. There has to be a collective effort to promote this as an
alternate mode of transport," says Reddy, who manufactures around 1,800
electric bikes a month."We've got mileages over the four mode

[EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-S P85D at-risk street-racing in Mexico (v)

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http://www.carscoops.com/2015/10/tesla-p85d-caught-taking-its.html
Tesla P85D Caught Taking Its Shenanigans To Mexico
October 15, 2015 | Sergiu Tudose

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video
https://youtu.be/e93jQJ2F98M
Tesla P85D Racing in Mexico!
Tesla Racing Channel Oct 14, 2015
Took the Tesla P85D down to Mexico for some action! Couple lucky people went
on a wild ride.
]

Even though street racing should never be encouraged, this video does offer
some very interesting footage in terms of how the Model S P85D matches up
with a wide range of rivals, on four wheels as well as two.

The downside of racing in the street is the fact that it's very dangerous.
Speed limits exist for a reason and by breaking the law in such a way you
not only put yourself at risk but others around you as well. Thankfully
these guys only got on the throttle in a straight line and didn't weave
through traffic 'Fast & Furious' style.

Right off the bat, the Model S P85D is at a disadvantage since people didn't
seem all that interested in racing from a stand still. That meant that the
Tesla's instant torque advantage was canceled and when you're going up
against the likes of the C7 Corvette Z06.

On the other hand, cars like the Mitsubishi Lancer EVO X don't really stand
a chance against the P85D, regardless of what type of start you do - case in
point near the end of the video.

Same thing with the MINI Cooper and the supercharged Mustang, it wasn't even
close - but there are plenty of "battles" that you'll need to see for
yourself in order to find out how the Tesla did.

As for the 600cc bikes, well, some seemed perfectly capable of accelerating
just as fast as the car, others not so much. It wouldn't be fair to call the
P85D as being quicker than a motorcycle, especially since these weren't
really the fastest bikes one could come across.

Also, since Insane Mode has recently made way for Ludicrous Mode [
http://www.carscoops.com/2015/10/p90d-ludicrous-vs-p85d-insane-mode-does.html
], we should expect plenty of new clips where Model S owners are going to
take revenge against petrol-powered cars that previously might have defeated
their ultra-quick EV.
[© carscoops.com]
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This Tesla Model S P85D Went Down To "Mexico" For A Bit Of Street Racing
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[EVDL] EVLN: 35yrold loves a manual transmission thrill, but owns a Leaf

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The shift from manual: Why the demise of stick shift is accelerating
NEIL VORANO  Oct. 15, 2015

No one wants a manual gearbox in a Ford Fusion or a Chevrolet Equinox [ice],
and pounding a clutch back and forth in rush-hour traffic is a special kind
of hell for many commuters.

The percentage of cars that offer a manual transmission in Canada has fallen
to just 9 per cent, down from 35 per cent in 1980, according to IHS
Automotive. You can’t call a stick shift “standard” any more, when an
automatic is usually the only option ...

“The technology has gotten to the point where an automatic, CVT
(continuously variable transmission) or DSG [direct-shift gearbox] is more
economical than a manual,” he says. “It works more efficiently than a
manual, and it’s the quickest way around a race track.”

Andy Schonberger is one such study in the tidal shift.

The 35-year-old consultant loves the thrill of a manual transmission ride,
but owns a Nissan Leaf, an electric vehicle without either a manual or
automatic transmission – it employs a single-speed reduction gear.

“I grew up in Niagara on a fruit farm, and I used to take every opportunity
I could get to drive the farm cars with a manual,” says Schonberger. “It was
more fun.”

So why did he ditch his sporty stick-shift Subaru WRX?

“I tried when I had my WRX to teach my wife how to drive standard, but I
couldn’t handle the smell of the burning clutch,” Schonberger says. “After
an hour, she said, ‘I don’t want to do this to your car, I’m just not
driving this.’

“I had a chance to get a Nissan Leaf, and I loved it,” he says. “It’s like
driving a go-kart. It’s still quick with the instant torque, but you’re not
doing a lot of speed. To get all those benefits of a next-gen powertrain,
the manual is old-tech.”

Schonberger and his wife are part of an overwhelming move away from
clutch-pedal manual transmission.

“If the point of the car is for your own personal enjoyment, that’s what
trumps all of those positives,” Karwell says. “Unfortunately, all of those
positives are the reasons that the manual is disappearing.” ...

There’s something about the process of shifting gears, this choreographed
jig at speed, even the difficult-but-infinitely-satisfying heel-and-toe
brake and downshift. Yes, it is a purist way to look at it, and thankfully
some auto makers are supplying cars that still satisfy this need.

“There are really only three parts of the industry where manuals are
relevant and have a life,” says Karwell. “Low-priced thrifty cars found in
subcompact and compact segments, fun-driving cars and muscle cars in the
sports segment, and luxury sports cars.” ...

Volkswagen’s GTI and Golf R have both a six-speed manual and a DSG
available, and both split sales at around 50:50. Subaru also offers a manual
in much of its lineup, selling 15.8 per cent overall, though its WRX STI can
only be had with a stick shift. And while the Fiesta, Focus and Mustang are
the only Ford cars offered with both a manual and automatic, the performance
versions of each – Fiesta ST, Focus ST, and various Mustang models – can
only be had with a stick shift. Roughly 70 per cent of Toyota FR-S and up to
90 per cent of Subaru BRZ purchasers opt for a manual. Even the Jeep
Wrangler wouldn’t be the same to many enthusiasts without a stick shift,
making up about 25 per cent of sales this past year ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: Renault, Dongfeng Electric Fluence-Based Car For Chinese Market

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Renault And Dongfeng Will Produce Electric Fluence-Based Car For Chinese
Market
[20151016]  by Mark Kane

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Renault Fluence Z.E.

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Renault Fluence Z.E. original concept
]

Renault, together with Dongfeng, will both build and sell in China a new
electric car, based on Fluence Z.E.

Production is scheduled for 2017 by the Dongfeng Renault Automotive Company
(DRAC) from its Wuhan plant.

The Fluence Z.E., after being withdrawn from Europe (after the Better Place
collapse) is also available in South Korea as the SM3 Z.E. by Samsung
Motors.

At the current stage, Renault didn’t specify whether we are talking about an
all-new model, or just a rebadged, slightly different Fluence Z.E.

Dongfeng is currently partnered with Nissan, producing in China the LEAF as
Venucia e30.

“On the occasion of the visit of ZHU Yangfeng, Chairman of Dongfeng
Group, at the Renault R&D center, Dongfeng Renault Automotive Company (DRAC)
announces the production of its first electric vehicle in China.

As part of the Joint Venture between Dongfeng and Renault, DRAC will
produce an electric vehicle that is based on the Fluence Z.E. The electric
car will be produced at the Wuhan plant in 2017 and will be commercialized
under a local Dongfeng brand for the Chinese market only.

The agreement is part of the will of both the Renault Group and the
Dongfeng Group to propose mobility solutions for sustainable development.
Jacques Daniel, CEO of DRAC, confirmed: ‘’This EV agreement illustrates
Renault’s engagement as partner of COP 21.’’
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[EVDL] EVLN: Shanghai.cn Electric Car Rental Service Now Available

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http://english.cri.cn/12394/2015/10/19/4081s900122.htm
Electric Car Rental Service Available in Shanghai
2015-10-19  Meng Xue

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(e-taxis)
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Shanghai launches electric car rental service. [File Photo: qidongnews.com]

A new scheme for an electric car rental service has been launched in
Shanghai.

Under the scheme, people can book an electric car via a smartphone app,
after signing up for the service with a driver's license.

The rental fee costs 15 yuan, or around 2.5 U.S. dollars, for the first 30
minutes of every trip, then 0.5 yuan for each extra minute.

The maximum daily charge is 180 yuan.

One local citizen gives his reaction to the trail run.

"Renting the car is cheaper than calling a taxi. Also, sometimes it's very
hard to find a taxi in downtown, but I can easily book one electric car via
the app, and the car will be ready for me. It's really convenient."

Currently, the service is already available in Shanghai's downtown and
several suburban districts to attract more users.

So far, 200 outlets have been set up in Shanghai and offering 220 electric
cars for use.

The service provider says the number will be doubled by the end of this
year.
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http://www.tnledger.com/editorial/Article.aspx?id=84681
Companies make big electric vehicle promises in California
Oct 15, 2015

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Corporate and government leaders gathered Thursday in Los
Angeles to announce that hundreds more electric vehicles will be coming to
California roads — and they'll have hundreds more places to charge up.

Navy and Marine Corps bases in the state will get 450 of the zero-pollution
vehicles, while several major utilities will add hundreds more vehicles or
charging stations. Large businesses including Coca-Cola also announced
similar commitments.

Californians have been early adopters of electric vehicles, and their
elected leaders have set policies to get 1 million zero- or low-emission
vehicles on the road.

Mary Nichols, the chairwoman of the California Air Resources Board, hailed
the promise to increase charging stations, saying that the concern an
electric vehicle will run out of juice is a major barrier to widespread
adoption of the vehicles.
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...
http://www.t3.com/news/california-makes-huge-commitment-to-electric-vehicles
California makes huge commitment to electric vehicles
By Jamie Hinks  Oct 15, 2015
...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/companies-make-big-electric-vehicle-promises-california-34509877
Companies Make Big Electric Vehicle Promises in California
By The Associated Press  LOS ANGELES — Oct 15, 2015
http://poststar.com/business/companies-make-big-electric-vehicle-promises-in-california/article_4afd5890-4303-501b-a126-f03e8b06acdd.html
...
http://billingsgazette.com/news/national/companies-make-big-electric-vehicle-promises-in-california/article_f8660d34-6c53-5cb3-8f5c-db8b178d48a9.html
Companies make big electric vehicle promises in California
Oct 15, 2015  AP
http://phys.org/news/2015-10-companies-big-electric-vehicle-california.html?
...
http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_28979033/companies-pledge-more-electric-vehicle-charging-stations-california
Companies pledge more electric vehicle charging stations in California
Associated Press  Oct 15, 2015
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97kDwI0QcBs
Coca Cola Kiss Happiness Commercial 2015 - 0:40
May 21, 2015 - Coca Cola Kiss Happiness Commercial 2015 ...
...
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Coca-Cola slogans - 
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