Re: [EVDL] Stella Vie information for John.
I don't know why web sites that feature a technology do not create a standard table that shows the major specs. Looking at a number of Stella Vie websites, the best I can get for the specs for the Stella Vie (as opposed to Stella Lux) is: length: 16.5 feet width: 5.4 feet weight:827 lbs. battery:15.2 kWh (?) solar PV: 1.2 peak kW (?) 4 sq. meters On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 9:50 PM Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > https://solarteameindhoven.nl/stella-vie/ > Here is some info on the latest Stella car. Lawrence Rhodes > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181210/05ce298f/attachment.html > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181210/357e2028/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Stella has cup holders.
Stella has all the conveniences including cup holders spacious interior and infotainment. It also has advanced communication technology for vehicle to vehicle communication. I don't think a heat pump would be hard to add but I bet I'd kill the range. https://solarteameindhoven.nl/stella-vie/stella-lux/ Interior pictures show infotainment which includes a mute for the sound system when a siren is detected. Cup holders too. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181210/773da824/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Stella Vie information for John.
https://solarteameindhoven.nl/stella-vie/ Here is some info on the latest Stella car. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181210/05ce298f/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Musk walked-back on PV roof> its stupid
On 10 Dec 2018 at 11:47, Willie via EV wrote: > Perhaps you are not familiar with recent Model 3 sales figures? Correct, I wasn't, until I read your response and looked them up. >From July through August, Tesla sold 72,050 Model 3s in the US. (Or so they claim. Rather suspiciously, the sales numbers I found end in even zeroes for every month.) Assuming that's accurate, I have to admit, it's pretty impressive. Comparing those sales to those of a few mainstream ICE sedans: 18% fewer than 87,912 Toyota Corollas 35% fewer than 111,006 Toyota Camrys 29% fewer than 101,244 Honda Civics 29% fewer than 100,814 Honda Accords 112% more than 34,005 Hyundai Sonatas ... to a couple of other "green" vehicles: 148% more than 29,060 Toyota Prii 1,270% more than 5,261 Nissan Leaves ... and to a "brown" vehicle: 76% fewer than 298,288 Ford F-series pickups David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20181212
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Only-3-of-mechanics-uk-are-EV-qualified-tp4692098.html
EVLN: Only 3% of mechanics.uk are EV qualified
Only 3% of mechanics qualified to work on electric vehicles
07/12/2018
New figures have revealed there is a shortfall in the number of mechanics
who are qualified to work on electric vehicles. Tristan Shale-Hester, Auto
Express ...
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EVLN: Tesla EVs 2Detect Emergency Vehicles (polizei,ambulanza)
Tesla Cars Set to Detect Emergency Service Vehicles
Interesting Engineering-Dec 5, 2018
We're adding police car, fire truck & ambulance to the Tesla neural net in
coming ... on Tuesday they will sue the electric car company on behalf of
their client.
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FedEx adds 1K EVs to its fleet
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Tesla's updated app makes it easier than ever to supercharge your EV
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P100D. Not only was driving the car a futuristic experience, but so was
using the corresponding Tesla app ...
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Ban plug-in hybrids from EV charging bays, says experts
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[EVDL] EVLN: Tesla EVs 2Detect Emergency Vehicles (polizei, ambulanza)
https://interestingengineering.com/tesla-cars-set-to-detect-emergency-service-vehicles Tesla Cars Set to Detect Emergency Service Vehicles December, 05th 2018 Jessica Miley [image https://static.interestingengineering.com/images/DECEMBER/sizes/cops_resize_md.jpg shares https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1069416551038640129 Jennifer @Jennerator211 · Dec 2, 2018 Semi off topic but started me thinking... could the UI differentiate police/emergency vehicles from other vehicles on the road. Is that possible to achieve? Elon Musk @elonmusk We’re adding police car, fire truck & ambulance to the Tesla neural net in coming months 8:22 PM - Dec 2, 2018 https://twitter.com/Jennerator211/status/1069415432010911744 Pranay Pathole @PPathole · Dec 2, 2018 Programming the car to recognize when there's a police car pulling it over and find a safe spot to stop seems like a pretty easy task, relatively speaking. Jennifer @Jennerator211 Semi off topic but started me thinking... could the UI differentiate police/emergency vehicles from other vehicles on the road. Is that possible to achieve? 8:18 PM - Dec 2, 2018 ] Musk has announced that the next update will update the neural net so cars will detect police and ambulances. Tesla Cars Set to Detect Emergency Service Vehicles Pxhere Tesla vehicles are set to get some serious autopilot upgrades including the ability for the car to recognise emergency service vehicles. Former CEO, Elon Musk tweeted, “We’re adding police car, fire truck & ambulance to the Tesla neural net in coming months.” The tweet came in response to a question about whether the Tesla user interface will be able to differentiate emergency vehicles from others on the road. Twitter user Jennifer (@jennerator211) asked “Semi off topic but started me thinking... could the UI differentiate police/emergency vehicles from other vehicles on the road. Is that possible to achieve?” Tesla driver appears to be unconscious while car travels at 70mph The conversation was spurred on by reports that a Tesla driver was pulled over by police after appearing to be unconscious. It was suspected the driver may have had autopilot on while under the influence of alcohol. The ABC13 report said spotted a man slumped behind the wheel of a gray Tesla Model 3 despite the car traveling at 70mph. A police car pulled in front of the Tesla to slow it down, it eventually pulled into a gas station where the driver was given a sobriety test and then arrested. Musk will investigate suspected DUI Musk says he is looking into what occurred during the incident. Musk has previously stated that autopilot will get a massive overhaul within the next six months when new production cars get an upgraded chip responsible for processing the information from the car's sensors. The new chip is expected to give the autopilot systems processing capability a 500 and 2,000-percent boost in operations per second. Customers with existing Tesla’s who paid for the ‘full self-driving’ package will get the chip retrofitted at no cost. Tesla to upgrade processing chip Drivers who didn’t opt into the package at the time of sale won’t be forgotten though, they can also buy the additional cash and receive the upgrade. It is worth noting the upgraded chip doesn’t actually give the car more self-driving features, rather it enhances the power of the cars neural net, which improves the existing autopilot features of the car and lays the way for more advanced features in the future. Tesla’s dedication to being a leader in self-driving production cars has come at a price. Florida driver sues for 'oversell' Several crashes involving Tesla’s have been blamed on the self-driving mode. News Musk: Change The World by 80 Hour Work Week Last month a Florida-based Tesla driver announced his intention to sue the company claiming the autopilot feature failed in his Model S causing him to slam into a stationary car on the Florida Turnpike. Law firm, Morgan & Morgan announced on Tuesday they will sue the electric car company on behalf of their client. According to the Ninth Judicial Circuit Court in Orange County, the Model S slammed into a stalled car after the autopilot feature failed, causing him severe injuries including a broken neck. Shawn Hudson of Winter Garden says the car's autopilot feature was the main attraction to buying a Tesla in the first place. Tesla’s owners manual is clear though stating “Traffic-Aware Cruise Control cannot detect all objects and may not brake/decelerate for stationary vehicles, especially in situations when you are driving over 50 mph (80 km/h) and a vehicle you are following moves out of your driving path and a stationary vehicle or object is in front of you instead.” We use cookies to ensure you get the best experience on our website. If you continue using our website, we'll assume that you are happy to receive all cookies on the Interesting Engineering website.
[EVDL] EVLN: Only 3% of mechanics.uk are EV qualified
https://www.bewiser.co.uk/news/car-insurance/only-3-mechanics-qualified-work-electric-vehicles
Only 3% of mechanics qualified to work on electric vehicles
07/12/2018
Only 3% of mechanics qualified to work on electric vehicles
New figures have revealed there is a shortfall in the number of mechanics
who are qualified to work on electric vehicles.
Tristan Shale-Hester, Auto Express, reports:
Only three per cent of mechanics are qualified to work on electric vehicles
(EVs), according to new research.
The data, which came from an Institute of the Motor Industry (IMI) analysis
of vehicle technician certification, also showed that the vast majority of
the mechanics who are qualified to work on EVs are employed by
manufacturers’ franchised dealerships.
The IMI also revealed Clean Air Zones across the country are failing to meet
their targets for EV uptake, with an average of eight electric cars per
charging point in the UK. The organisation claims London is the only British
city that is currently meeting its targets for EV adoption.
According to Department for Transport figures, the number of alternatively
fuelled vehicles (AFVs) – including EVs and plug-in hybrids – on the UK’s
roads is expected to exceed one million by 2020, but there are currently
only 18,000 charging points across 6,500 locations.
The IMI believes the Government needs to focus its attention not just on
improving infrastructure, but on addressing what it describes as a “serious
shortfall” in the number of mechanics qualified to work on EVs.
The findings have prompted the IMI to work with the Government to establish
national standards that comply with the Health and Safety Executive’s
requirements and meet employer responsibilities under Electricity at Work
Regulations.
IMI chief executive Steve Nash said the latest sales figures for AFVs
“demonstrate that drivers are rapidly making the transition away from pure
petrol/diesel engines”, adding: “It’s vital that government recognises the
new skills requirements needed to underpin the successful move to this new
technology – which is entirely different to the skills required to service
and repair internal combustion engines.”
Nash went on to say: “Without appropriate training, vehicle technicians are
at risk of serious harm or even death.”
He called on the Government to “incentivise and support businesses to invest
in the training of their staff” in order to provide them with “the knowledge
and skills to safely work on or around high voltage vehicle systems and
technology”.
The data highlights that despite the ambitious targets from the Government
to reduce emissions, there are serious steps to be taken to ensure the
nation’s infrastructure is prepared for the transition to electric. Although
this involves installing enough charging points, not upskilling the current
industry workforce leaves a serious gap in the sector.
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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-boringcompany-com-road-legal-auton-tunnel-e-pods-tp4692095.html
EVLN: boringcompany.com road-legal auton tunnel e-pods
Elon Musk’s Boring Company to unveil ‘fully road legal autonomous transport
cars’
Dec. 6th 2018 Will include modded but fully road legal autonomous transport
cars & ground to ... the Boring Company planned to use Tesla's electric
powertrain, but it sounds ...
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EVLN: Rivian tech in Lamborghini-fighting Pininfarina PF1 superEV
Pininfarina to launch electric super-SUV using Rivian tech
December 7, 2018 However, Autocar India has confirmed that Automobili
Pininfarina will partner with Rivian, an electric vehicle maker and
automotive technology company based ...
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https://electrek.co/2018/12/04/tesla-semi-electric-truck-test-drive-customer/
Tesla Semi: important new customer is getting an electric semi test drive
2018-12-04 Now, the company is giving an electric semi truck test drive to
an important new ... Tomorrow, Tesla is giving them a “demo” of the vehicle
and they will let ...
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http://www.awaken.com/2018/12/rivian-debuts-new-us-made-electric-truck-and-suv-with-400-mile-range/
Rivian Debuts New US-Made Electric Truck And SUV With 400-Mile Range
December 6, 2018 (Both prices are after the $7,500 IRS tax credit.) Both
are ground-up designs, sharing a skateboard platform (common to most ...
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Koch-paid Tobacco-Defenders escalate to Kill EV Tax Credit
Kochs Fund Study to Kill Electric Vehicle Tax Credit Via Same Group That
Defended Tobacco Industry
December 6, 2018 When Koch Industries needs a study to cast doubt on the
benefits of electric vehicles (EVs), where does it turn? Unsurprisingly, to
an industry-funded study mill ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: Rivian tech in Lamborghini-fighting Pininfarina PF1 superEV
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/pininfarina-launch-electric-super-suv-using-rivian-tech
Pininfarina to launch electric super-SUV using Rivian tech
December 7, 2018
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Rivian will provide its electric 'skateboard' platform to Pininfarina
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Automobili Pininfarina's upcoming SUV could produce over 1000bhp and will
use an 800V charging system
Automobili Pininfarina will follow its electric hypercar, the PF0, with
three SUVs, of which the most powerful one - codenamed PF1 - will rival the
Lamborghini Urus.
As first reported by our sister site Autocar India, development work on the
PF1 SUV has already begun back in the Mahindra-owned car maker’s
headquarters in Munich. “Work has started on the PF1 and right now, we are
in the process of finalising the design, which again is being done by
Pininfarina,” said Pawan Goenka, MD of the Mahindra and Mahindra group.
Pininfarina had previously confirmed that it will use powertrain and battery
technology supplied by electric hypercar maker Rimac in the PF0. However,
Autocar India has confirmed that Automobili Pininfarina will partner with
Rivian, an electric vehicle maker and automotive technology company based in
the US, for the underpinnings of its SUVs. Rivian Automotive will provide
the ‘skateboard’ platform for the company’s all-electric SUV models that
will follow the PF0.
Rivian, which has been making EV platforms for several years, recently
launched its first production models at the LA motor show - the R1S SUV and
R1T pick-up truck. Rivian officials at the show did not confirm the news
about its partnership with Pininfarina but did state that the company had
been in talks with Mahindra.
The Rivian R1S and R1T are designed to be capable on- and off-road and
develop around 750bhp from electric motors at each wheel. The company says
the vehicles will be semi-autonomous and will be offered with three battery
packs delivering differing driving ranges, with the maximum being around
640km.
Rivian’s skateboard platform is developed to offer electric vehicle
technology that combines brisk pace and long range along with off-road
capability. The platform combines features such as Dynamic Roll Control and
air suspension with a battery with maximised energy density. Both Rivian
models will be capable of a 0-60mph (0-100kph) time of around 3sec.
While it is not known if PF1 SUV will have the same off-road credentials as
the Rivian SUV, the Pininfarina model is being developed to be blisteringly
quick. It will be equipped with a 135Kwh battery pack (larger than the PF0’s
120 Kwh) and will have an 800V system for fast charging. With 200kW at each
wheel, the PF1 might weigh around 2,300-2,400kg and could produce up to
800kW – equivalent to 1,074bhp.
Founded in 2009 by RJ Scaringe, Rivian recently secured USD 200 million from
Standard Chartered, bringing its overall financing to USD 450 million,
having already secured funds from the investment arm of Saudi Arabia-based
Abdul Latif Jameel and Sumitomo Corporation of Americas.
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Pininfarina Developing 1,000-HP Electric SUV To Fight The Lamborghini Urus
December 9, 2018 While the PF0 will use powertrain and battery technology
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December 6, 2018 (Both prices are after the $7,500 IRS tax credit.) Both
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[EVDL] EVLN: boringcompany.com road-legal auton tunnel e-pods
https://electrek.co/2018/12/06/elon-musk-boring-company-fully-road-legal-autonomous-transport-cars/
Elon Musk’s Boring Company to unveil ‘fully road legal autonomous transport
cars’
Dec. 6th 2018 Frederic Lambert
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Elon Musk @elonmusk
Boring Company product launch on Dec 18. More than a tunnel opening. Will
include modded but fully road legal autonomous transport cars & ground to
tunnel car elevators.
6:18 PM - Dec 6, 2018
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Elon Musk’s Boring Company has slightly delayed the launch of its first
tunnel, but Musk said that it will also include the unveiling of ‘fully road
legal autonomous transport cars’.
The company said that it expects its first full system demonstration will be
a short new tunnel and ‘loop’ to get to Dodger Stadium in 4 minutes.
But it also has another tunnel under Hawthorn, which they plan to use as a
proof-of-concept.
Last month, Musk released a video of the Boring Company breaking through the
other end of the tunnel.
At the time, he announced that the company will launch the tunnel on
December 10 and they will offer the first public test ride with the electric
transport system inside the tunnel.
Now Musk says that the launch has been delayed by a week, but it will also
include a ‘fully road legal autonomous transport cars’:
The Boring Company has been talking about launching autonomous and electric
“pods”, which Musk previously said would be made by Tesla.
He said during a presentation about the Boring Company’s Chicago project:
“The high-speed pods that will travel in the tunnels will be made by
Tesla.”
Musk had previously said that the Boring Company planned to use Tesla’s
electric powertrain, but it sounds like Tesla could also build the whole
pods pictured above.
He added that Tesla already had the best electric propulsion and autonomous
driving systems and that driving inside a tunnel would be much simpler for a
driverless system.
Earlier this year, Tesla disclosed that it plans to sell $400,000 worth of
‘electric motors and batteries’ to the Boring Company.
They have also been using Tesla vehicles directly in the tunnels. They
released a video of a Tesla Model X accelerating on rails inside a Boring
Company tunnel.
Electrek’s Take
I assume that we are still talking about the same electric pods made by
Tesla, but I’d like to know more about what he means by them being “road
legal”.
Musk also said that it is a “modded vehicle”. Maybe he means that it’s a
modded, road legal Tesla vehicles that can be used autonomously inside the
tunnel.
That would make more sense, but we have also seen low-speed autonomous
shuttles being road legal.
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Tesla Semi: important new customer is getting an electric semi test drive
2018-12-04 Now, the company is giving an electric semi truck test drive to
an important new ... Tomorrow, Tesla is giving them a “demo” of the vehicle
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https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/105449/ban-plug-in-hybrids-from-ev-charging-bays-say-experts
Ban plug-in hybrids from EV charging bays, say experts
10 Dec, 2018 Tristan Shale-Hester
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Report argues plug-in hybrids take too long to recharge and block
all-electric cars with rapid charging capabilities from using bays
Plug-in hybrid vehicles (PHEVs) should be banned from using electric vehicle
(EV) charging bays, freeing them up for use by ‘pure’ EVs, according to a
new report.
Most PHEVs on sale today are limited in the charge rate they can accept to
around 3.7kW, yet the fastest rapid chargers deliver at least 50kW, a rate
accepted by most pure EVs. That means it generally takes around five minutes
for an EV to receive 15 miles worth of charge, while a PHEV would take an
hour to receive the same range.
EV charging infrastructure expert Harold Dermott argues that – until PHEVs
“have both a greater electric-only range and can accept electricity at
faster rate” – they should be banned from using charging bays at motorway
services areas ...
Writing in a report for the RAC Foundation entitled Development of the UK
Public Chargepoint Network, Dermott expresses concern that if PHEVs continue
to block EVs from using rapid charging bays, the charge points will “never
be available for their essential purpose of charging BEVs [battery electric
vehicles]” and the income of network operators will “collapse”.
The study also notes there has been an improvement in the reliability of
public charge points – with a reduction in out of service units from 14.8
per cent to 8.3 per cent – but says this is still too high a proportion.
In addition, two types of recharging behaviour are identified in Dermott’s
report – journey charging, where the primary purpose of being at the charge
point is to “fill up with electricity” – and destination charging, where
recharging is secondary to other activities, such as shopping, visiting a
leisure centre or parking at a railway station.
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The report calls for charge point locations – especially larger hubs – to
offer the same services and facilities one would expect at a typical fuel
station, such as protection from the weather, food and drink, toilets and
lighting.
RAC Foundation director Steve Gooding warned that if cars can only be
recharged at a limited rate, then installing “ever-faster and more powerful”
charge points will “waste money”, adding that it’s “key” for cars and
chargers to be compatible.
Gooding emphasised the “fundamental” need for all parties involved in the
industry to communicate with each other, as “policy, technology and the
market are almost falling over themselves”.
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Musk walked-back on PV roof> its stupid
There isn't just one road to alternative transportation, just like theirs not just one source of alternative energy ! Theirs room for all. The more choices we have the better. Jeff On Monday, December 10, 2018, 6:53:15 AM PST, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > I can only say that my attempts of education here have failed. Because its irrelevant to selling EV's to the masses which is what we must do to protect our air. > Every time I talk to my friends at Tesla about solar vehicles they shut up > like clams. Because it is a stupid idea and they are being nice to not just roll their eyes... > Higher ups at Tesla are solar team alums [and] know what it takes... And they also understand it is totally unmarketable to the American public. > I hope ... everyone will realize that solar vehicles are indeed possible > technically. Of course they are, but totally lacking in a business model to sell enough to change the word which MUST happen. And Yes, I BUILT one. I added 220 watts on my solar prius, but I tell people that it was fun but less than 0.001 economically practical! I have 100 times more solar area on my roof at home AND the large format solar panels coast one TENTH those on the prius for a net economic stupidity of 1000 to 1. All this fluff over making solar cars is just distracting people from the need to buy EVs NOW. We are ten years since EV's were good enough, and now they are better, faster, cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to maintain. ALL WE NEED is an educated public and less fluff and chasing at windmills to distract them. Lets put our effort into educating the public about the 45 EVs we have now and the 250 planned over the next 7 years and stop distracting them with fluff... Bob ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181210/8b29d8f4/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Musk walked-back on PV roof> its stupid
On 12/10/18 11:23 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: I think there might be a reasonable market for a Stella-like vehicle, except without the solar panels. Blasphemous, I know :) With a relatively small battery and basic interior finishes, could the retail price be around $15K? If so, it could be really tempting to a whole new market sector. And, a more expensive model could be sold with solar panels for those who want to have infinite range. A GREAT idea! Though I think a PVless Stella might find a market with a higher price, perhaps $25k. Even more if our tax credit survives. I recall what great values imievs were at $15k-$25k before incentives. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Musk walked-back on PV roof> its stupid
On 12/10/18 11:17 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: A niche of a niche, because even today EVs themselves are still a niche item, and IMO will only become a true mass market product with continued Perhaps you are not familiar with recent Model 3 sales figures? By my definition of "niche", EVs, especially Tesla, have moved well beyond. Will demand disappear as income tax credits disappear? Possible, but I think not. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Musk walked-back on PV roof> its stupid
I think there might be a reasonable market for a Stella-like vehicle, except without the solar panels. Blasphemous, I know :) But, imagine a family sized car that goes 400 miles per charge for practically no cost. Yes, it needs A/C, heat, good music system, cup holders. Those will obviously reduce the range somewhat. But the biggest factor will be the full safety system. Side air bags, door reinforcement, crumple zone. Maybe the Stella already accommodates these, I don't know. With a relatively small battery and basic interior finishes, could the retail price be around $15K? If so, it could be really tempting to a whole new market sector. And, a more expensive model could be sold with solar panels for those who want to have infinite range. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "EVDL Administrator via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "EVDL Administrator" Sent: 10-Dec-18 9:17:11 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Musk walked-back on PV roof> its stupid On 10 Dec 2018 at 9:22, Willie via EV wrote: they will be a niche market and very unlikely to expand beyond the niche category. A niche of a niche, because even today EVs themselves are still a niche item, and IMO will only become a true mass market product with continued strong promotion from activist governments. Keep your fingers crossed for educated, forward-looking voters and legislators in Asia and Europe! Pushing even further into that niche corner with onboard solar EVs (OBSEVs, if you like) may indeed waste valuable resources that we could be spending to further promote EVs and stationary, offboard solar charging. That said ... It's no secret here that I have my own personal concerns with Tesla's cars. But think about it. We're all at a place where I can say "I want a commercial EV, but I don't want to buy a Tesla." We have EV CHOICE! Twenty years ago, who would have expected it? For that, we can give a great deal of credit to Musk and Tesla for showing drivers AND GOVERNMENTS what was possible with EVs. Good thing he didn't listen to the EV-naysayers 15 years ago, and give up commercializing the original Roadster. I'm skeptical that Stella and other similar OBSEV efforts are going to pay off in the mass (or even niche) market any time soon, if ever. I guess that makes me an OBSEV naysayer today. So, Stella team, don't listen to me and the other cynics! Go for it. You won't know if you're the next Tesla unless you try. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Musk walked-back on PV roof> its stupid
On 10 Dec 2018 at 9:22, Willie via EV wrote: > they will be a niche market and very unlikely to expand beyond the > niche category. A niche of a niche, because even today EVs themselves are still a niche item, and IMO will only become a true mass market product with continued strong promotion from activist governments. Keep your fingers crossed for educated, forward-looking voters and legislators in Asia and Europe! Pushing even further into that niche corner with onboard solar EVs (OBSEVs, if you like) may indeed waste valuable resources that we could be spending to further promote EVs and stationary, offboard solar charging. That said ... It's no secret here that I have my own personal concerns with Tesla's cars. But think about it. We're all at a place where I can say "I want a commercial EV, but I don't want to buy a Tesla." We have EV CHOICE! Twenty years ago, who would have expected it? For that, we can give a great deal of credit to Musk and Tesla for showing drivers AND GOVERNMENTS what was possible with EVs. Good thing he didn't listen to the EV-naysayers 15 years ago, and give up commercializing the original Roadster. I'm skeptical that Stella and other similar OBSEV efforts are going to pay off in the mass (or even niche) market any time soon, if ever. I guess that makes me an OBSEV naysayer today. So, Stella team, don't listen to me and the other cynics! Go for it. You won't know if you're the next Tesla unless you try. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Musk walked-back on PV roof> its stupid
On 12/10/18 8:53 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: Lets put our effort into educating the public about the 45 EVs we have now and the 250 planned over the next 7 years and stop distracting them with fluff... Bob, of course most of what you say is true. But, I don't see solar cars as distracting. Obviously, as you point out, they will be a niche market and very unlikely to expand beyond the niche category. But I wish to encourage development. I was in the market for an early Leaf. And for an early Tesla. And for a Model 3. I am in the market for a solar car and will buy one if compelling. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Musk walked-back on PV roof> its stupid
> I can only say that my attempts of education here have failed. Because its irrelevant to selling EV's to the masses which is what we must do to protect our air. > Every time I talk to my friends at Tesla about solar vehicles they shut up > like clams. Because it is a stupid idea and they are being nice to not just roll their eyes... > Higher ups at Tesla are solar team alums [and] know what it takes... And they also understand it is totally unmarketable to the American public. > I hope ... everyone will realize that solar vehicles are indeed possible > technically. Of course they are, but totally lacking in a business model to sell enough to change the word which MUST happen. And Yes, I BUILT one. I added 220 watts on my solar prius, but I tell people that it was fun but less than 0.001 economically practical! I have 100 times more solar area on my roof at home AND the large format solar panels coast one TENTH those on the prius for a net economic stupidity of 1000 to 1. All this fluff over making solar cars is just distracting people from the need to buy EVs NOW. We are ten years since EV's were good enough, and now they are better, faster, cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to maintain. ALL WE NEED is an educated public and less fluff and chasing at windmills to distract them. Lets put our effort into educating the public about the 45 EVs we have now and the 250 planned over the next 7 years and stop distracting them with fluff... Bob ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
