[EVDL] LiFePO4 Thermal Imaging Opinions?

[Mr. Sharkey via EV]

Time to turn up the dial on the technical channel.

After converting my car to a lightly-used set of Thundersky 160's, 
I've finally gotten around to having some thermal images taken of the 
cells after running the car up to temperature. My purpose was to make 
sure that none of my cell interconnect wiring (copper strap stock) 
was heating up. What I found was somewhat unexpected. One of the 38 
cells was showing an elevated temperature from the rest.


First, the IR image of the right-hand half of the pack, taken from 
behind the car. the suspect cell is at the center cross-hairs:


http://www.westlanetv.org/~sharkey/evgfx/IR_0677.jpg

A close-up of the cell, looking from the front of the pack. It's been 
photoshopped to blend the IR image with the visible image to provide 
some perspective of the actual appearance:


http://www.westlanetv.org/~sharkey/evgfx/Hot_Cell_2.jpg

The car ran a 15 mile trip at about 55 MPH, pulling 100 - 125 amperes 
most of the way. A couple of 275 - 300 amp sprints pulling out into 
traffic, etc.  Photos were taken immediately thereafter.


All of the cells had been carefully (manually) balanced a few days 
before the photos were taken. During balancing, this cell was about 
15 ampere-hours lower than most of the rest of the pack, but not the 
lowest of the 8 cells that needed attention. It came right up with a 
balancing charge. None of the other cells showed any variance in 
temperature in this series of photos.


Questions for the list:

The cell isn't actually "hot" but it's obviously warmer than the 
rest. What's everyone's take on this one cell warming up? Can I just 
assume that it may have higher internal resistance, and therefore 
more heating under load? Is the heating indicative of a coming 
(perhaps spectacular) failure?


I've got about 1,600 miles on this new pack, and it seems to be 
performing well. I'd like to keep using it in this configuration, but 
if it seems risky to continue loading this one cell, it ~could~ be 
jumpered out of the pack (not my first choice).


Opinions or advice?

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Re: [EVDL] Keep it & tweak it: evalbum.com Website

[Mike C via EV]

Okay, since every single message both on and off list has said keep it going, 
the EV Album stays.  I have been doing a bit of data scrubbing on the back end 
and found a few entries that somehow never were posted.  Those have now posted. 
 I have also been working on links that didn’t link, mainly because the code 
does not recognize links that don’t start with http: a lot of them omitted it 
and some had the newer https.  At the moment I don’t have access to upload 
files but I am working on that.  Fortunately I do have a complete offline copy 
to work with for now.  My PHP skills are fairly limited and actually centered 
around ArcGIS automation but it is a start.  I will be reaching out for 
assistance when needed.

Thanks,

Mike Chancey
Webmaster
EV Photo Album
http://evalbum.com/5091

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Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 83, Issue 46

[Gail Lucas via EV]

Mark, I agree with you. Mike has been doing a great job for many, many 
years. I look at the Album off and on and wish I had included my EVs in it.


Mike, please continue with your excellent contribution to the EV 
community, and do it your way, as that has worked well over much time.


Gail

On 9/29/2019 5:05 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:

My rules:

- don’t fix what isn’t broken

- adjust when necessary

- don’t ever tell volunteers to change what they are doing just because you 
would do it differently unless they are creating a problem for you.

Thanks, Mike for what you are doing.

- Mark

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Re: [EVDL] Roland Wiench

[Ty Delaney via EV]

Rip Roland. I’m sorry for your loss and the loss to the community.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2019, at 12:31 PM, Peri Hartman via EV  wrote:
> 
> He would have been my favorite uncle, too :) Best of luck getting the car to 
> work and I hope you enjoy its uniqueness !
> Peri
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Tom Wilhelm via EV" 
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Cc: "Tom Wilhelm" 
> Sent: 28-Sep-19 9:40:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Roland Wiench
> 
>> Hello all,
>> I am Roland Wiench’s nephew and I live in Hood River, Oregon.  Roland was my
>> favorite Uncle and we worked on many projects together in my childhood.
>> Roland was an electrician at an the Montana Air National Gaurd and I got to
>> see a lot of industrial projects as a young kid. I was his helper on wiring
>> my parents home.  He also taught me rigging, welding and construction. He
>> was always kind about my mistakesIn 2006 he came out to visit and
>> insisted in tidying up my circuit breaker panels before the inspector came
>> to sign off. The inspector was at a loss for words at the neatness and
>> labeling of the wires. Said he thought he was looking at an airplane
>> component.   As an adult, I frequently called on him  regarding wiring
>> questions about size, voltage drop service entrance for my house, barn, also
>> a 3-phase to single phase conversion of a monarch 10ee lathe, building power
>> supplies for amplifiers, etc.  in March 2018 Roland had a slip and fall
>> causing an epidural hemorrhage in his brain resulting in a non-survivable
>> outcome.  I sorely miss my uncle despite some of his answers that started
>> at the electron.
>> 
>> Roland willed his car to me and it is sitting in my yard. I have driven
>> it about a mile after I picked it up. It took me a good hour to start it as
>> Roland
>> Had told me it would be difficult to steal due to the amount of switches.
>> The car
>> sat over the winter and the 12 volt battery (not main battery pack)
>> discharged
>> and now it won’t start despite a new battery. I believe the brain (hair ball
>> 2?) of the
>> system needs constant power to retain its programming.  My new shop will be
>> dried in this month and I hope to move the car in and sort out the system
>> and
>> get it running. I know he drove it every day rain or shine.  If it’s ok, i’d
>> like to ask some of you questions when the time comes about getting this car
>> up and running again.
>> 
>> Thanks so much for the kind words about Roland.
>> 
>> Tom Wilhelm
>> 
>> 
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Re: [EVDL] Roland Wiench

[Peri Hartman via EV]

He would have been my favorite uncle, too :) Best of luck getting the 
car to work and I hope you enjoy its uniqueness !

Peri

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To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Cc: "Tom Wilhelm" 
Sent: 28-Sep-19 9:40:48 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Roland Wiench


Hello all,
I am Roland Wiench’s nephew and I live in Hood River, Oregon.  Roland was my
favorite Uncle and we worked on many projects together in my childhood.
Roland was an electrician at an the Montana Air National Gaurd and I got to
see a lot of industrial projects as a young kid. I was his helper on wiring
my parents home.  He also taught me rigging, welding and construction. He
was always kind about my mistakesIn 2006 he came out to visit and
insisted in tidying up my circuit breaker panels before the inspector came
to sign off. The inspector was at a loss for words at the neatness and
labeling of the wires. Said he thought he was looking at an airplane
component.   As an adult, I frequently called on him  regarding wiring
questions about size, voltage drop service entrance for my house, barn, also
a 3-phase to single phase conversion of a monarch 10ee lathe, building power
supplies for amplifiers, etc.  in March 2018 Roland had a slip and fall
causing an epidural hemorrhage in his brain resulting in a non-survivable
outcome.  I sorely miss my uncle despite some of his answers that started
at the electron.

Roland willed his car to me and it is sitting in my yard. I have driven
it about a mile after I picked it up. It took me a good hour to start it as
Roland
Had told me it would be difficult to steal due to the amount of switches.
The car
sat over the winter and the 12 volt battery (not main battery pack)
discharged
and now it won’t start despite a new battery. I believe the brain (hair ball
2?) of the
system needs constant power to retain its programming.  My new shop will be
dried in this month and I hope to move the car in and sort out the system
and
get it running. I know he drove it every day rain or shine.  If it’s ok, i’d
like to ask some of you questions when the time comes about getting this car
up and running again.

Thanks so much for the kind words about Roland.

Tom Wilhelm


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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Canoo e-van volume maximization> subscription-only r:402km

[Peri Hartman via EV]

Interesting. But why the rounded back. From my understanding, you gain 
little aerodynamically by doing so and loose potential cargo space.


I'd like to see this in a cargo-passenger configurable model.

Peri

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Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: Canoo e-van volume maximization> subscription-only 
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https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2019/09/this-startups-electric-van-is-a-packaging-triumph/
This Startup's Electric Van Is A Packaging Triumph
Sep 27, 2019  Jason Torchinsky and Jalopnik

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One of the biggest advantages of electric vehicles is that they can
potentially have far more packaging flexibility than combustion-engine cars.
Companies have been taking advantage of this, as you can see in Tesla’s
twin-trunk designs and Volkswagen’s volume-maximising reborn electric
Microbus. A startup called Canoo is taking a similar approach as VW, with an
EV that’s a clever study in the maximisation of interior volume. You know, a
van.

Though it’s not autonomous, though the company says they’re working on that,
the room-on-wheels design is exactly what future autonomous vehicles should
be (there may be a book out that says just that) and even in its current,
human-driven form, the design looks incredibly flexible and usable.

The Canoo was designed by Richard Kim, the designer behind BMW’s very
innovative i3 and the sleek i8, and while there are clear similarities to
Kim’s earlier designs, the Canoo shows a much purer design, an unashamed,
streamlined, heavily-windowed box on a skateboard, an envelope that
surrounds a very versatile and appealing interior.

The front and rear profiles of the Canoo are just about identical; were it
not for the position of the rear-view mirrors and colours of the lights, it
would be hard to tell which end was front and which was the rear. It’s sort
of like a very modernised VW Bus, or perhaps even an enlarged and updated
Zündapp Janus.

The rear of the vehicle has a U-shaped bench seat, with what appears to be
seat belts for three passengers. There’s also some flip-down jump seats
behind the front seats as well, adding two more places to sit:

If there are seat belts provided for the side-mounted seats, you could have
five on the rear bench, plus the two jump seats, plus the front seats, for a
total of nine seats, which seems about right.

There are some cubbies under the rear seats and in the doors, but it looks
like there are no strictly-designated cargo areas, though there is certainly
room for plenty of cargo on the large, flat floor area.

It also appears that the rear bench can fold to make room for bulky cargo,
like that dude’s asphalt-coloured surfboard, and it looks like there are two
little modules in the side panel there, one containing a clock and the other
having what I think is a small planter?

It also appears that the front seats can rotate, Captian’s Chair-style,
which is always a good thing for a van. There’s also plenty of windows in
the roof as well, and the whole interior feels incredibly airy and open. It
looks like it has lots of camping potential as well, and while I haven’t
actually touched any of the interior materials, these pictures do make it
look like they could be fairly hard-wearing and hopefully easily washable.

The Canoo uses conventional hinged doors instead of a more van-like sliding
door, which is sort of a curious choice, but not necessarily a bad one. The
only really glaring bad choice I can see here is in the driver’s controls,
with a steering wheel that’s not a wheel at all, but a square frame:

Visibility looks great, sure, with that extra low window below the beltline,
but does anyone actually like driving with a rectangle?

The centre of the not-wheel has an airbag with a lot of text I’m pretty sure
you don’t need to have so constant and prominent, while the instrumentation
appears to be on the 

Re: [EVDL] EV Album Website

[Peri Hartman via EV]

My opinions:

To stay relevant, the EV album needs to morph. I believe the audience is 
changing. In the past, people have contributed and searched who were 
primarily looking for a way to have an EV when nothing that suits them 
was available commercially. That is still partially true.


In the future, I foresee a bigger segment of people converting antique 
"old metal" into EVs. As battery technology improves, this will be more 
and more practical with more flexibility on where to locate the battery, 
or even how to retofit an old Tesla battery into something. I envision 
people wanting to convert some of the land yachts from the 60's to BEV, 
or even some of the older classics. I know this is already a part of the 
album, but I think it will become the main part.


Perhaps not much needs to be done to make this happen. The biggest part 
is to make the album more prominant in search results so that people 
find it. This new wave of people probably won't search for "converting 
car to EV" but more likely "restore classic car with electric motor".


At this point, I don't want to argue about whether pusher trailers, etc. 
should be included. I think it's more important to make sure the 
resource is relevant and functioning.


As a temporary fix to the feedback, would it be easy to add messaging in 
the right places to encourage people to provide feedback via EVDL ?


Peri

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From: "Mr. Sharkey via EV" 
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Cc: "Mr. Sharkey" 
Sent: 29-Sep-19 7:52:41 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Album Website


While I can see how it might be appealing to try and purify the EV Album to 
only display BEV's, those calling for that action should consider the epic 
amount of work you would be tossing at Mike Chancey. Every one of the 5400+ 
registered vehicles would need to be reviewed, and a value judgement passed on 
each. Some might be simple, others not so much.

For instance, if you intend on excluding production EV's. Mike's own 2013 Leaf 
would get the boot, ( http://www.evalbum.com/5091 ) as well as his Razor 
electric scooter ( http://www.evalbum.com/1013 ).

But wait! If only BEV's are allowed, Mike's Honda Pusher trailer needs to get 
the axe, also ( http://www.evalbum.com/753 ).

Mike's an understanding guy, he'll get over having to delete his own entries, 
right? What about other users who have both production EV's and conversions? 
Are they going to be as charitable?

What is being suggested is taking away from the album, rather than adding to it. In the 
long picture, will this help or hurt the overall health and popularity of the album? 
Unless there is an issue with server space, hosting costs, overall maintenance, etc, my 
preference would be to perhaps allow those who have already registered 
(production/hybrid) vehicles to maintain those album entries, while limiting the addition 
of new ones that don't particularly meet the "new criteria". This might mean 
that new entries have to pass a review/authorization process (again, lots of work).

I fully agree that Mike should be offered some assistance with the site no 
matter how it moves forward in the future. I would perhaps be interested in 
helping figure out how/why the feedback form isn't working. I do have some PHP 
and database experience.

In the interest of full disclosure, I wouldn't be affected by the proposed 
changes to the album:

http://www.evalbum.com/79
http://www.evalbum.com/91
http://www.evalbum.com/253

(much, that is)

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[EVDL] BigOil wants a piece of th action> Valvoline EV Fluids

[brucedp5 via EV]

https://www.aftermarketnews.com/valvoline-announces-product-line-for-electric-vehicles/
Valvoline Announces Product Line For Electric Vehicles
September 26, 2019  

Valvoline today announced the first of its electric vehicle-specific product
and service offerings with the introduction of Valvoline EV Performance
Fluids. The global product line — which includes Valvoline EV Heat Transfer
Fluid, Valvoline EV Drive System Fluid, Valvoline EV Brake Fluid and
Valvoline EV Grease — is designed for the distinct needs of the expanding
number of EVs on the road today.

Valvoline has produced widely used EV fluids for years, however additional
EV products and services will be unveiled in coming weeks.

“Our technical team has consistently developed products to meet the needs of
changing vehicle technology,” said Heidi Matheys, Valvoline chief marketing
officer. “Valvoline’s latest products — combined with upcoming news about
additional EV offerings — are indicative of the commitment we have to both
our customers and our 150-year tradition of innovation.”

U.S.-based EV registrations doubled from 2017 to 2018 — with an estimated
1.1 million EVs expected to be sold nationwide by 2025, according to an
April 2019 IHS Markit report. Globally, electric cars on the road surpassed
3 million in 2017, an increase of over 50 percent from the previous year,
according to the International Energy Agency’s 2018 Global EV Outlook.

Valvoline will continue to evaluate product and service line extensions as
technology evolves so that drivers’ needs are always being met.

“Valvoline has continually invested in products and services for vehicles of
the future during our long history, and this has remained true for new EV
technologies,” said Craig Moughler, Valvoline chief supply chain officer and
leader of the company’s EV strategy team. “We have maintained a very close
technical and commercial relationship with many of the innovative OEM’s in
the EV world, ultimately leading to the launch of this new product offering
that helps to ensure optimum vehicle performance as EV technologies rapidly
evolve.”

Product Line Addresses Unique Needs of EVs

Valvoline EV Performance Fluids are engineered to extend battery life and
other vehicle components, contributing to a longer vehicle lifespan.

“We’ve researched, tested and proven this line’s capabilities in our own
labs and using real-time data in real-world conditions,” said Fran Lockwood,
Valvoline chief technology officer. “That rigorous testing process from our
technical team ensures that each EV Performance Fluid meets the highest
standards of this rapidly advancing category.”

Valvoline’s new product line works to solve common EV issues surrounding
battery temperature variations, powertrain performance and both brake system
corrosion and seal bearing failure, among others.

Valvoline EV Heat Transfer Fluids: The products are carefully designed to
help the vehicle maintain the optimized operational temperature, which in
turn helps to achieve preferred performance and sustained battery life —
including lithium batteries and aluminum components. Formulations include
heat transfer fluids for Battery Applications (BA), Fuel Cell Low
Conductivity Fluid (FC), Low Solids (LS) and Charging Application (CA).

Valvoline EV Drive System Fluids: To meet the evolving needs of multi-speed
EV transmissions, these products provide anti-corrosion, churning loss
reduction and electric motor cooling across four formulas: EV, a full
synthetic; Ultra Low Viscosity, providing long vehicle range and increased
efficiency for multi-speed transmissions; Ultra EV, a thermally stable fluid
with superior low-temperature performance; and EV Traction, recommended for
EVs with traction drive systems.

Valvoline EV Brake Fluid: The formulations provide for high boiling points
(both wet and dry), noise elimination, brake fade reduction and low
viscosity at low temperatures for today’s advanced Anti-lock Brake Systems
(ABS), Electronic Stability Programs (ESP) and Advance Driver Assistance
Systems (ADAS).

Valvoline EV Grease: These products are designed for EV motors and seal
bearings to control electric conductivity. 
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EV lubricant product line from Mobil Oil(?)


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Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 83, Issue 46

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

My rules:

- don’t fix what isn’t broken

- adjust when necessary

- don’t ever tell volunteers to change what they are doing just because you 
would do it differently unless they are creating a problem for you.

Thanks, Mike for what you are doing.

- Mark

Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2019, at 4:35 PM, Mark Laity-Snyder via EV  
> wrote:
> 
> I totally agree with Bruce. It makes sense for the EVAlbum to be unique 
> conversion BEVs. All other EVs are not needed on the list or can be put in 
> other forums. 
> 
> Thanks Bruce and Mike for all you do.
> 
> Bruce said "To keep Mike from being inundated with the avalanche of new 
> production 
> EV drivers everyone can see IS coming, changes should be made to let Mike 
> handle the work load, and make passing evalbum.com on to the next/younger
> caretaker, not an albatross/cross to bear that it currently is. 
> IMO, evalbum.com should be for EVs-only (ones that plug into a grid for 
> electric
> power). Not hevs, pih, fcvs, etc. An EV-conversion is essentially a modified 
> vehicle.
> Most production EVs aren't allowed to be modified, else they lose warranty or 
> support from the manufacturer. However, aging production EVs, that have lost 
> their support or their part sourcing has died up, can become modified
> production EVs. Thus, a listing of how the owner is diy supporting their 
> 'classic' EV
> would be valuable for others to know.
> 
> *Certain vehicles should be moved/off-loaded evalbum.com to other ownership, 
> and let evalbum.com focus on just EVs, specifically, converted/modified EVs. 
> Then evalbum.com site maintenance would be much more manageable.
> 
> *1st move all hybrids (plugin or not) to a popular forum of that model to 
> manage.
> There is currently a boat-load/a-lot of non-EV prius listings
> that could easily be handled by a prius forum. The same with other hybrids.
> Since fcvs are essentially also a hybrid that consumes fossil fuel, they
> should be blocked from listing on evalbum.com and referred to list on their
> favorite fcv forum.
> 
> At some point, Tesla roadster gen1 EVs are going to lose manufacturer
> support, That is when the old classic EV would become owner diy supported, 
> and thus
> a modified production EV, whose listing of what changes the owner has made to
> continue supporting it, would be good to know.+  
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