[EVDL] Drop-in li-ion replacements for PbSO4
While looking at homes4sale
https://photos.zillowstatic.com/uncropped_scaled_within_1344_1008/ISbhbh9k36d8qz00.webp
and considering how far each are from the sa VA hospital
(will a mobility e-scooter's range be enough for a round trip),
I came across some links for others to explore (I'm suppose
to be focusing on househunting so, I'll let others do it):
https://alliedlithium.com/products/golf-cart-lithium-battery-set-for-ezgo-txt14?variant=31450420478019
from 40 to 100Ah group 24 size, best price/Ah bang is
the highest capacity ones
https://www.extremekartz.com/club-car-carryall-300-500-lithium-golf-cart-batteries-full-set/?sku=AB-CA3-5-LITH-BAT-12V-40AH=EAIaIQobChMIiNnYjL256AIViYCfCh1gBg_cEAQYBCABEgILdPD_BwE
alt source
https://dakotalithium.com/product/dakota-lithium-48v-golf-cart-battery-set/?v=7516fd43adaa
12V 100Ah in a U1 size
https://www.walmart.com/ip/12V-100AH-Lithium-Battery-for-Pride-Mobility-Pursuit-XL-Scooter-SC714/442678876
12V 100Ah group 30H size Lithium iron phosphate sealed,
rechargeable and maintenance free battery. Direct
drop in lead acid replacement
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Re: [EVDL] Legacy auto makers talk the talk, but.........
GM, Ford, and Chrysler are going to build EVs. I guarantee it. You just won't see many of them here. They have to build them, because while the US government doesn't care, the rest of the world does. China REALLY needs to clean up its air, and it looks as if EVs are going to be a substantial part of their solution. France and the UK plan to do away with ICEV sales by 2040. IIRC France wants Paris 100% EV by 2030. Germany and Netherlands want zero ICEVs on sale by 2030. Germany is pushing for this to be an EU-wide policy. Norway's aiming for 2025, though they want to do it with incentives rather than an outright ban. The biggest plan is from a little place - El Hierro, the smallest of the Canary Islands. They make 100% of their electricity from wind, and they want all of their vehicles to be electric ASAP. In fact they were hoping to make that happen this year, but I don't know what the status of the effort is. EVs are already mainstream in the EU. In January, Renault's second best selling vehicle was an EV. Renault didn't use any tricks or games. They just delivered them to the dealers, and the dealers sold them like any other vehicle (including offering discounts). The reason they can't screw around is that EU emissions legislation is getting MUCH stricter, and they are calculating corporate average emissions. The automakers HAVE to sell EVs in Europe. They can't let their dealers reject and neglect EVs the way US dealers do. But don't expect that here, and don't expect anybody but Tesla to volunteer. US automakers have proven again and again that they don't change anything until they're forced to. Detroit didn't add even the most rudimentary emission controls to their ICEVs until laws forced them to. Detroit didn't add passive restraint systems to their vehicles until laws forced them to. Detroit didn't even put seat belts in their vehicles until laws forced them to. If the US government ever decides that we need EVs in the US, we will have EVs because they will pass laws requiring them. Until then, there's no reason for the automakers to do anything differently when they're already making ample profit selling Americans the same old crude, bloated, overpowered ICE SUVs and trucks that they sold last decade, and the decade before that, and the decade before that. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke on u.s.
I think that there is some truth to this. I would say that, based on my
discussions with some OEMs, even when there is a strong will to sell EVs, the
dealers need to be trained correctly, and that can be a challenge and the
source of a great deal of internal frustration.
I wouldn’t fault them for not producing enough unless you couple that with “and
they immediately sell out and people cannot buy them.”
A lot full of unsold cars is the quickest way to slow an alt fuel vehicle
program. I saw that happen when Honda produced too many CNG cars. When demand
became huge the following several years, they were over cautious and didn’t
produce nearly enough to meet huge demand.
- Mark
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> On Mar 26, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Mike C via EV wrote:
>
> Personal opinion only: It looks to me like GM and Ford know how to build
> electric cars, they just don’t seem to have any idea how to sell them. As
> long as they only see EVs as a threat to existing ICE auto sales, they won’t
> bother to properly market them. For the most part, dealers pretty much don’t
> seem to want them around at all. Automakers build cars the dealers want,
> then the dealers sell them to the public. Tesla works without this “filter”.
> Unfortunately, dealer agreements probably mean GM and Ford can’t do this.
>
> Mike Chancey
> evalbum.com
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> [related
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> https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-gm-ford-ev-production-plans-leaked/
> GM and Ford’s EV production plans for the US have leaked, and they are a
> joke
> March 26, 2020 ... despite the grand gestures and proclamations of an
> electric car-centric future from American automakers General Motors and
> Ford, the two companies’ actual production plans for North America are still
> centered on large, internal combustion-powered vehicles ... have been
> insisting that they are all-in on an electric car push ... 5% of Ford and
> GM’s combined vehicle production in North America, and less than Tesla’s
> output in 2019 from its one factory in Fremont, CA ...
>
>
> (fox-n-friends are anti-EV source, friendly w/ the frik-n-frack fed
> beavis against EVs, to koch fo$$il, on the saudi
> profit$)
> https://www.foxnews.com/auto/ford-gm-electric-vehicles-sales
> Ford and GM won't be selling many electric vehicles soon ...
> 2020-03-26 ... automakers would love to get a little of that Tesla magic and
> money ... trying to play to Wall Street, which thinks the future is all
> about electric vehicles ...
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Re: [EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke on u.s.
From: Willie via EV Lee Hart via EV wrote: >> I'm confident that the dealers will invent new services to keep EV >> owners coming in for service. Since auto companies sell to dealers (not >> individuals), they will be more than happy to cooperate. >Don't you think that that would be just playing into Tesla's hands? It would; but they won't be able to resist. Carmakers sell to their dealers; and have to do what their dealers want. Until they can break out of that mindset, they *can't* change. >Or maybe you don't see Tesla dominating the legacy auto makers? Lomg-term: Yes, Tesla has a better change than anyone that's come along for a very long time. They could be the next VW (1950's) or Toyota (1970's). But, look at how many decades it took for them to move from tiny niche players up to owning a significant share of the auto market? >> How long before we see a "check battery" light in your EV that comes on >> every 3000 miles? Or mandatory "software update required" that only the >> dealer can do? > >Are you still resisting taking a Tesla test drive? Not at all! I've been for a test drive, and think it's a wonderful car. It doesn't happen to be my kind of car ($$$), but there is certainly nothing like it on the market. Lee Hart -- Excellence does not require perfection. -- Henry James -- Lee A. Hart http://www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke on u.s.
On 3/26/20 5:52 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: I'm confident that the dealers will invent new services to keep EV owners coming in for service. Since auto companies sell to dealers (not individuals), they will be more than happy to cooperate. Don't you think that that would be just playing into Tesla's hands? Or maybe you don't see Tesla dominating the legacy auto makers? Or, maybe it is just wishful thinking on my part. How long before we see a "check battery" light in your EV that comes on every 3000 miles? Or mandatory "software update required" that only the dealer can do? Are you still resisting taking a Tesla test drive? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke on u.s.
Peri Hartman via EV wrote: True, but if Tesla keeps growing (and others), they'll need to adapt or be darwined. -- Original Message -- From "Peter C. Thompson via EV" what kept [the dealership] open and running was the shop. People might not buy a new car, but they sure will need to get it repaired. Once the EV becomes mainstream, that source of daily cash is going to serious dwindle. THAT, I believe, is one of the big stumbling blocks facing the big OEMs. I'm confident that the dealers will invent new services to keep EV owners coming in for service. Since auto companies sell to dealers (not individuals), they will be more than happy to cooperate. How long before we see a "check battery" light in your EV that comes on every 3000 miles? Or mandatory "software update required" that only the dealer can do? Lee Hart -- If you would not be forgotten When your body's dead and rotten Then write of great deeds worth the reading Or do these great deeds, worth repeating -- Ben Franklin, from Poor Richard's Almanac -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke on u.s.
True, but if Tesla keeps growing (and others), they'll need to adapt or
be darwined.
Peri
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Cc: "Peter C. Thompson"
Sent: 26-Mar-20 3:11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke on
u.s.
My step-dad sold Chevy's and Honda's (way back when I was a kid). He was one of
the first in California to sell Honda's. Saved his business.
However, what kept his business open and running, day-in and day-out was the
shop. People might not buy a new car, but they sure will need to get it
repaired.
Once the EV becomes mainstream, that source of daily cash is going to serious
dwindle. THAT, I believe, is one of the big stumbling blocks facing the big
OEMs.
Cheers, Peter
On 3/26/20 1:06 PM, Mike C via EV wrote:
Personal opinion only: It looks to me like GM and Ford know how to build
electric cars, they just don’t seem to have any idea how to sell them. As long
as they only see EVs as a threat to existing ICE auto sales, they won’t bother
to properly market them. For the most part, dealers pretty much don’t seem to
want them around at all. Automakers build cars the dealers want, then the
dealers sell them to the public. Tesla works without this “filter”.
Unfortunately, dealer agreements probably mean GM and Ford can’t do this.
Mike Chancey
evalbum.com
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From: evln via EV
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:42 PM
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Cc: evln
Subject: [EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke on u.s.
[related
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Legacy-auto-makers-talk-the-talk-but-tp4696813.html
]
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-gm-ford-ev-production-plans-leaked/
GM and Ford’s EV production plans for the US have leaked, and they are a
joke
March 26, 2020 ... despite the grand gestures and proclamations of an
electric car-centric future from American automakers General Motors and
Ford, the two companies’ actual production plans for North America are still
centered on large, internal combustion-powered vehicles ... have been
insisting that they are all-in on an electric car push ... 5% of Ford and
GM’s combined vehicle production in North America, and less than Tesla’s
output in 2019 from its one factory in Fremont, CA ...
(fox-n-friends are anti-EV source, friendly w/ the frik-n-frack fed
beavis against EVs, to koch fo$$il, on the saudi
profit$)
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/ford-gm-electric-vehicles-sales
Ford and GM won't be selling many electric vehicles soon ...
2020-03-26 ... automakers would love to get a little of that Tesla magic and
money ... trying to play to Wall Street, which thinks the future is all
about electric vehicles ...
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Re: [EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke on u.s.
My step-dad sold Chevy's and Honda's (way back when I was a kid). He was
one of the first in California to sell Honda's. Saved his business.
However, what kept his business open and running, day-in and day-out was
the shop. People might not buy a new car, but they sure will need to get
it repaired.
Once the EV becomes mainstream, that source of daily cash is going to
serious dwindle. THAT, I believe, is one of the big stumbling blocks
facing the big OEMs.
Cheers, Peter
On 3/26/20 1:06 PM, Mike C via EV wrote:
Personal opinion only: It looks to me like GM and Ford know how to build
electric cars, they just don’t seem to have any idea how to sell them. As long
as they only see EVs as a threat to existing ICE auto sales, they won’t bother
to properly market them. For the most part, dealers pretty much don’t seem to
want them around at all. Automakers build cars the dealers want, then the
dealers sell them to the public. Tesla works without this “filter”.
Unfortunately, dealer agreements probably mean GM and Ford can’t do this.
Mike Chancey
evalbum.com
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Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:42 PM
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[related
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]
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-gm-ford-ev-production-plans-leaked/
GM and Ford’s EV production plans for the US have leaked, and they are a
joke
March 26, 2020 ... despite the grand gestures and proclamations of an
electric car-centric future from American automakers General Motors and
Ford, the two companies’ actual production plans for North America are still
centered on large, internal combustion-powered vehicles ... have been
insisting that they are all-in on an electric car push ... 5% of Ford and
GM’s combined vehicle production in North America, and less than Tesla’s
output in 2019 from its one factory in Fremont, CA ...
(fox-n-friends are anti-EV source, friendly w/ the frik-n-frack fed
beavis against EVs, to koch fo$$il, on the saudi
profit$)
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/ford-gm-electric-vehicles-sales
Ford and GM won't be selling many electric vehicles soon ...
2020-03-26 ... automakers would love to get a little of that Tesla magic and
money ... trying to play to Wall Street, which thinks the future is all
about electric vehicles ...
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Re: [EVDL] Riding mowers
Did you get the Cub Cadet CC30e 56V Li Ion 30Ah Electric Riding Mower?Let us know how that works out! On Thursday, March 26, 2020, 05:05:25 PM EDT, Willie via EV wrote: On 3/26/20 2:48 PM, Jay Summet via EV wrote: > Ryobi and Craftsman both have electric riding mowers in the 2-4k range. > > However, I believe they use lead acid batteries. They probably work fine > for lawn applications or a year or two, and could be swapped out for > Lithium packs with a new charger after they die. I haven't recently seen a new lead mower offered. That's why I omitted the "lithium" specification. I make every effort to avoid buying any lead batteries. This morning, I went ahead and ordered the mentioned Cub Cadet from Tractor Supply, one of my preferred vendors. I avoid Home Depot. Just over $3k with delivery and tax. > > I have a local search going on my craigslist feed now as they are just > now starting to appear on the used market. > > Jay > > On 3/25/20 3:35 PM, Willie via EV wrote: >> >> >> On 3/25/20 1:45 PM, Rod Hower via EV wrote: >>> Perhaps these guys,Home - MEAN GREEN MOWERS >> >> Yes, thanks. That was the high end mower I looked at a few years ago >> with the "proprietary" battery/cells. At that time, they were unknown >> I was, and remain, HIGHLY suspicious of "proprietary" batteries and >> cells. And such secrecy. >> >> https://meangreenproducts.com/ >> >> They have an irritating website. But doesn't everyone nowdays. >> >> More models now than then. As low as about $16k. Judging by >> incremental cost, their batteries remain VERY expensive. >> >> Having been burned by a ~$20k Kubota, I think I will continue to shop >> for consumer grade stuff in the $2k-$4k range. >> ___ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html >> INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200326/067fa85c/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Riding mowers
On 3/26/20 2:48 PM, Jay Summet via EV wrote: Ryobi and Craftsman both have electric riding mowers in the 2-4k range. However, I believe they use lead acid batteries. They probably work fine for lawn applications or a year or two, and could be swapped out for Lithium packs with a new charger after they die. I haven't recently seen a new lead mower offered. That's why I omitted the "lithium" specification. I make every effort to avoid buying any lead batteries. This morning, I went ahead and ordered the mentioned Cub Cadet from Tractor Supply, one of my preferred vendors. I avoid Home Depot. Just over $3k with delivery and tax. I have a local search going on my craigslist feed now as they are just now starting to appear on the used market. Jay On 3/25/20 3:35 PM, Willie via EV wrote: On 3/25/20 1:45 PM, Rod Hower via EV wrote: Perhaps these guys,Home - MEAN GREEN MOWERS Yes, thanks. That was the high end mower I looked at a few years ago with the "proprietary" battery/cells. At that time, they were unknown I was, and remain, HIGHLY suspicious of "proprietary" batteries and cells. And such secrecy. https://meangreenproducts.com/ They have an irritating website. But doesn't everyone nowdays. More models now than then. As low as about $16k. Judging by incremental cost, their batteries remain VERY expensive. Having been burned by a ~$20k Kubota, I think I will continue to shop for consumer grade stuff in the $2k-$4k range. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Riding mowers
Jay Summet via EV wrote: Ryobi and Craftsman both have electric riding mowers in the 2-4k range. However, I believe they use lead acid batteries. They probably work fine for lawn applications or a year or two, and could be swapped out for Lithium packs with a new charger after they die. The GE ElecTraks used plain old 6v golf cart batteries. These batteries easily last 5 years or more (if they aren't murdered young by battricide). The key is to use a deep-cycle battery. It could be flooded, or gel. But I suspect that they use el-cheapo 12v AGMs. And, they would supply the cheapest, most brutal charger they could find. Indeed, batteries in this situation may only last a season or two. Remember, they make *money* by selling you a special new battery every year. Lee Hart -- If you would not be forgotten When your body's dead and rotten Then write of great deeds worth the reading Or do these great deeds, worth repeating -- Ben Franklin, from Poor Richard's Almanac -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke on u.s.
Personal opinion only: It looks to me like GM and Ford know how to build
electric cars, they just don’t seem to have any idea how to sell them. As long
as they only see EVs as a threat to existing ICE auto sales, they won’t bother
to properly market them. For the most part, dealers pretty much don’t seem to
want them around at all. Automakers build cars the dealers want, then the
dealers sell them to the public. Tesla works without this “filter”.
Unfortunately, dealer agreements probably mean GM and Ford can’t do this.
Mike Chancey
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GM and Ford’s EV production plans for the US have leaked, and they are a
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March 26, 2020 ... despite the grand gestures and proclamations of an
electric car-centric future from American automakers General Motors and
Ford, the two companies’ actual production plans for North America are still
centered on large, internal combustion-powered vehicles ... have been
insisting that they are all-in on an electric car push ... 5% of Ford and
GM’s combined vehicle production in North America, and less than Tesla’s
output in 2019 from its one factory in Fremont, CA ...
(fox-n-friends are anti-EV source, friendly w/ the frik-n-frack fed
beavis against EVs, to koch fo$$il, on the saudi
profit$)
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/ford-gm-electric-vehicles-sales
Ford and GM won't be selling many electric vehicles soon ...
2020-03-26 ... automakers would love to get a little of that Tesla magic and
money ... trying to play to Wall Street, which thinks the future is all
about electric vehicles ...
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Re: [EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke on u.s.
Well, I think it's actually not so bad. 5% isn't a lot, but it's a
ten-fold increase over this year, and that's a big deal. Remember, the
giants move slowly. I will speculate that, if Tesla keeps taking
high-end market share and GM's and Ford's EV sales do well, they'll
increase more.
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GM and Ford’s EV production plans for the US have leaked, and they are a
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March 26, 2020 ... despite the grand gestures and proclamations of an
electric car-centric future from American automakers General Motors and
Ford, the two companies’ actual production plans for North America are still
centered on large, internal combustion-powered vehicles ... have been
insisting that they are all-in on an electric car push ... 5% of Ford and
GM’s combined vehicle production in North America, and less than Tesla’s
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Re: [EVDL] Riding mowers
Ryobi and Craftsman both have electric riding mowers in the 2-4k range. However, I believe they use lead acid batteries. They probably work fine for lawn applications or a year or two, and could be swapped out for Lithium packs with a new charger after they die. I have a local search going on my craigslist feed now as they are just now starting to appear on the used market. Jay On 3/25/20 3:35 PM, Willie via EV wrote: On 3/25/20 1:45 PM, Rod Hower via EV wrote: Perhaps these guys,Home - MEAN GREEN MOWERS Yes, thanks. That was the high end mower I looked at a few years ago with the "proprietary" battery/cells. At that time, they were unknown I was, and remain, HIGHLY suspicious of "proprietary" batteries and cells. And such secrecy. https://meangreenproducts.com/ They have an irritating website. But doesn't everyone nowdays. More models now than then. As low as about $16k. Judging by incremental cost, their batteries remain VERY expensive. Having been burned by a ~$20k Kubota, I think I will continue to shop for consumer grade stuff in the $2k-$4k range. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke on u.s.
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GM and Ford’s EV production plans for the US have leaked, and they are a
joke
March 26, 2020 ... despite the grand gestures and proclamations of an
electric car-centric future from American automakers General Motors and
Ford, the two companies’ actual production plans for North America are still
centered on large, internal combustion-powered vehicles ... have been
insisting that they are all-in on an electric car push ... 5% of Ford and
GM’s combined vehicle production in North America, and less than Tesla’s
output in 2019 from its one factory in Fremont, CA ...
(fox-n-friends are anti-EV source, friendly w/ the frik-n-frack fed
beavis against EVs, to koch fo$$il, on the saudi
profit$)
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/ford-gm-electric-vehicles-sales
Ford and GM won't be selling many electric vehicles soon ...
2020-03-26 ... automakers would love to get a little of that Tesla magic and
money ... trying to play to Wall Street, which thinks the future is all
about electric vehicles ...
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Re: [EVDL] Riding e-mower (4willie), robo e-mower (4brucedp)
If your willing to push a mower, what about a power-assisted electric mower? - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Mar 26, 2020, at 5:12 AM, Willie via EV wrote: > > > >> On 3/26/20 2:09 AM, Bill Woodcock via EV wrote: >> > > I did not receive the post from "evln"; is that always Bruce? > On Mar 26, 2020, at 4:47 AM, evln via EV wrote: >>> I was thinking more of a robot/robo e-mower >>> >>> https://www.homedepot.com/s/robot%2520electric%2520lawn%2520mower?NCNI-5 >>> >>> I could put the boundry wire out on the borders, and place >>> a charger in the corner. Then sit and watch it do its magic. >> I just did my shopping/comparison on these, and wound up ordering a >> Husqvarna Automower 315. My second choice was a Worx WR140. >> The Husqvarna hasn’t arrived yet, so I can’t yet tell you how well it works, >> or doesn’t. >> https://www.husqvarna.com/us/products/robotic-lawn-mowers/automower-315/967673005/ >> https://www.worx.com/landroid-m-20v-cordless-robotic-lawn-mower-wr140.html > > I'm interested but don't think it will work for my situation. I look forward > to your reports. Perhaps you could make a blog post or something detailing > the situations the mower successfully and unsuccessfully deals with? I'm > especially interested in how it handles heavy growth. > > I am willing to devote about half an hour a day pushing a mower. Spring > growth has pushed that demand to an hour a day or longer. I have about two > acres that I attempt to keep mowed; it is never all mowed at one time. I > fear the effort to control and direct a robot would be beyond it's value. > Even if it has manageable control/direction requirements, I fear there might > not be enough time for it to make a dent in the task. > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Legacy auto makers talk the talk, but.........
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Re: [EVDL] Riding e-mower (4willie), robo e-mower (4brucedp)
Willie via EV wrote: On 3/26/20 2:09 AM, Bill Woodcock via EV wrote: I did not receive the post from "evln"; is that always Bruce? On Mar 26, 2020, at 4:47 AM, evln via EV wrote: I was thinking more of a robot/robo e-mower https://www.homedepot.com/s/robot%2520electric%2520lawn%2520mower?NCNI-5 I could put the boundry wire out on the borders, and place a charger in the corner. Then sit and watch it do its magic. I just did my shopping/comparison on these, and wound up ordering a Husqvarna Automower 315. My second choice was a Worx WR140. The Husqvarna hasn’t arrived yet, so I can’t yet tell you how well it works, or doesn’t. https://www.husqvarna.com/us/products/robotic-lawn-mowers/automower-315/967673005/ https://www.worx.com/landroid-m-20v-cordless-robotic-lawn-mower-wr140.html I'm interested but don't think it will work for my situation. I look forward to your reports. Perhaps you could make a blog post or something detailing the situations the mower successfully and unsuccessfully deals with? I'm especially interested in how it handles heavy growth. I am willing to devote about half an hour a day pushing a mower. Spring growth has pushed that demand to an hour a day or longer. I have about two acres that I attempt to keep mowed; it is never all mowed at one time. I fear the effort to control and direct a robot would be beyond it's value. Even if it has manageable control/direction requirements, I fear there might not be enough time for it to make a dent in the task. The Robomower I had did a decent job. It's less efficient than hand mowing, as it covers the same spot many times in an effort to find the ones it misses. My yard also has many trees, and it takes extra time (for human or robot) to mow around them. But the robot has nothing better to do do; it can mow all day if needed. I didn't get the automatic docking/recharging station; so I had to manually drive it out to the lawn, then back to the garage when it ran down to recharge it. But that only took a few minutes, and it could be "put out to pasture" every day. It certainly saved time when it was working. But overall, I'm not sure it saved any time or money when its high initial cost, expensive repairs, short life, and the big time investment in the boundary wire were taken into account. Lee Hart -- If you would not be forgotten When your body's dead and rotten Then write of great deeds worth the reading Or do these great deeds, worth repeating -- Ben Franklin, from Poor Richard's Almanac -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Riding e-mower (4willie), robo e-mower (4brucedp)
I was thinking more of a robot/robo e-mower Bill Woodcock via EV wrote: I just did my shopping/comparison on these, and wound up ordering a Husqvarna Automower 315. My second choice was a Worx WR140. The Husqvarna hasn’t arrived yet, so I can’t yet tell you how well it works, or doesn’t. I bought a "Friendly Robotics" Robomower 850 about 10 years ago. It worked well for about 5 years. But it slowly became increasingly unreliable, and now sits idle. Due to its size and weight, repairs were expensive, and after the first couple, the company went out of business. So now it sits idle. The perimeter wire was very tedious to put in. Simply staking it on top of the ground as advertised didn't work; It was constantly getting broken. So I laboriously buried it 1-2" below the surface. It *still* got cut several times by a neighbor, paying people to aerate his lawn who didn't pay attention to the property line. It is nearly impossible to find breaks in the line when this happened; the entire side had to be re-done. Lee Hart -- I'm the laziest man you'll ever meet. I'll go to any amount of effort to avoid work." -- Thomas Edison -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] e-mower
Two items to share. My first "EV" is an electric conversion lawn tractor. It came to me with a bad engine. I put in a 2kwh Chevy Volt battery, contactor, and electric motor. At the time, it cost me about what a new gas lawn tractor would have, and it mows for about 20 minutes before the battery needs a recharge. That's enough to do half of my yard (front or rear) on a charge, and it takes a month to make passes through my ~2 acres of field and get through it. On the plus side, when I put the snow plow on for the winter, it starts every time. That was fun, but my latest project is a powered wheel chair, minus the chair, plus a hitch, with a towed reel mower. Remote control with the dual drive / tank steer power chair makes for wavy lines, but it works. I use a Pixhawk flight controller. I have upgraded it with an RTK GPS, with the intention of centimeter accuracy from the GPS so I can preprogram the route to avoid trees and other obstacles. Sonar adds extra obstacle avoidance for things that mysteriously appear on my route - the kids balls, small animals, whatever else the wind blows through. I didn't want to bury boundary wires, and I have another property with several acres to mow and a second power chair. Now that spring approaches in Montana, I need to get back to that project - my initial installation had problems with the compass being too close to the drive motors - it liked to "toilet bowl" a lot to find its heading, which was hard on the trailer tongue -, and I have a dual-frequency RTK GPS to install to replace the single frequency for more accuracy and faster fix. Unattended charging will be the next problem. 40w of solar onboard needs a week or so to recharge. It is interesting to see how many miles you have to drive to mow an acre or three when you're making 12" cuts with each pass, then compare that with the range provided by the batteries.. -Tom ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Riding e-mower (4willie), robo e-mower (4brucedp)
On 3/26/20 2:09 AM, Bill Woodcock via EV wrote: I did not receive the post from "evln"; is that always Bruce? On Mar 26, 2020, at 4:47 AM, evln via EV wrote: I was thinking more of a robot/robo e-mower https://www.homedepot.com/s/robot%2520electric%2520lawn%2520mower?NCNI-5 I could put the boundry wire out on the borders, and place a charger in the corner. Then sit and watch it do its magic. I just did my shopping/comparison on these, and wound up ordering a Husqvarna Automower 315. My second choice was a Worx WR140. The Husqvarna hasn’t arrived yet, so I can’t yet tell you how well it works, or doesn’t. https://www.husqvarna.com/us/products/robotic-lawn-mowers/automower-315/967673005/ https://www.worx.com/landroid-m-20v-cordless-robotic-lawn-mower-wr140.html I'm interested but don't think it will work for my situation. I look forward to your reports. Perhaps you could make a blog post or something detailing the situations the mower successfully and unsuccessfully deals with? I'm especially interested in how it handles heavy growth. I am willing to devote about half an hour a day pushing a mower. Spring growth has pushed that demand to an hour a day or longer. I have about two acres that I attempt to keep mowed; it is never all mowed at one time. I fear the effort to control and direct a robot would be beyond it's value. Even if it has manageable control/direction requirements, I fear there might not be enough time for it to make a dent in the task. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Riding e-mower (4willie), robo e-mower (4brucedp)
> On Mar 26, 2020, at 4:47 AM, evln via EV wrote: > I was thinking more of a robot/robo e-mower > > https://www.homedepot.com/s/robot%2520electric%2520lawn%2520mower?NCNI-5 > > I could put the boundry wire out on the borders, and place > a charger in the corner. Then sit and watch it do its magic. I just did my shopping/comparison on these, and wound up ordering a Husqvarna Automower 315. My second choice was a Worx WR140. The Husqvarna hasn’t arrived yet, so I can’t yet tell you how well it works, or doesn’t. https://www.husqvarna.com/us/products/robotic-lawn-mowers/automower-315/967673005/ https://www.worx.com/landroid-m-20v-cordless-robotic-lawn-mower-wr140.html -Bill -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200326/c537ac5a/attachment.sig> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
