Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ?
I put a 62kWh pack from a 2019 into my 2012 Leaf. Took one afternoon with simple tools, like 2 axle stands and 1 hydraulic floor jack and a ratchet wrench. If you can find a pack you would be happy with, then I can provide advice how to do this. Most important part, currently unavailable, is the CANbridge from Dala in Finland. Become Patreon supporter of his if you want to be in front of the queue once he gets a new supply of CAN interface chips. Also very helpful Disqus channel. Cor. On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 4:13 PM Jay Summet via EV wrote: > > > On 11/12/22 12:38, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > Regardless, that's > > a huge spread from, say, $5k, to replace a leaf battery. > > > > My estimate would be 4-7k for a salvage 30 kwh pack + 2-3k labor, so I > think your 5k hope is a bit low. > > Shifting a 30kwh to a 2011 requires special adapter cables as well as > the man in the middle can adapter, so it's slightly more involved than > putting it into a 2013+ model, but still not an overly complicated > endeavor. > > In addition to EV rides, you may also consider the Canadian option: > Precision Auto Service Ltd > 22575 Fraser Hwy # 101, Langley, British Columbia V2Z2T5, Canada > Electric Vehicle EV Service and Repair, Ask for Scott Waddle > > (found here: https://nissanleafbatteryreplacement.com/ ) > > > > Jay > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20221112/82b5c814/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 121, Issue 7
I’m surprised no-one has suggested a used Tesla model 3. You can get them used under 40k and it’s battery will last. You can charge fast too. Road trips are a breeze - I just drove 900 miles in 14.5 hours with 5 charging stops in the 20-35min range -- charles > On Nov 12, 2022, at 8:17 PM, Tim Economu via EV wrote: > > Peri, You might want to call Matt at Matts Import Haven, Clinton, Wa., tell > him I sent you. > > Matt (with a little help from me) has been reconditioning hybrid car battery > packs, and he is talking about getting into BEV packs also. With a firm > order, he might be convinced. > > Tim Economu > > t > >> On 11/12/2022 1:01 PM, ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org wrote: >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >>1. Re: Leaf battery replacement ? (Peri Hartman) >>2. Re: Leaf battery replacement ? (Peri Hartman) >> >> >> -- >> Does anyone know if there are people or shops willing to do a battery >> replacement for a 2011 leaf in the greater seattle area ? >> >> The range in my Leaf was a dismal 20 miles in our sub zero weather >> last >> winter. It certainly isn't going to be any better this winter :) >> > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 121, Issue 7
Peri, You might want to call Matt at Matts Import Haven, Clinton, Wa., tell him I sent you. Matt (with a little help from me) has been reconditioning hybrid car battery packs, and he is talking about getting into BEV packs also. With a firm order, he might be convinced. Tim Economu t On 11/12/2022 1:01 PM, ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Re: Leaf battery replacement ? (Peri Hartman) 2. Re: Leaf battery replacement ? (Peri Hartman) -- Does anyone know if there are people or shops willing to do a battery replacement for a 2011 leaf in the greater seattle area ? The range in my Leaf was a dismal 20 miles in our sub zero weather last winter. It certainly isn't going to be any better this winter :) ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ?
On 11/12/22 12:38, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Regardless, that's a huge spread from, say, $5k, to replace a leaf battery. My estimate would be 4-7k for a salvage 30 kwh pack + 2-3k labor, so I think your 5k hope is a bit low. Shifting a 30kwh to a 2011 requires special adapter cables as well as the man in the middle can adapter, so it's slightly more involved than putting it into a 2013+ model, but still not an overly complicated endeavor. In addition to EV rides, you may also consider the Canadian option: Precision Auto Service Ltd 22575 Fraser Hwy # 101, Langley, British Columbia V2Z2T5, Canada Electric Vehicle EV Service and Repair, Ask for Scott Waddle (found here: https://nissanleafbatteryreplacement.com/ ) Jay ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ?
I think you are being a little bit pessimistic. I have a 2017 Bolt. In August I had the recall replacement battery installed. I charged it to full overnight and took it for an out and back ride. I drove it 253 miles using 59.3Kwh (both using the on-board instrumentation). I mostly drove at 65mph (again using on-board instrumentation) using cruise control. Obviously, driving 65mph doesn’t degrade an expectation of 250 mile range. 70mph might have some degradation, but I don’t think it will be as much as you claim. I do not know (and probably never will) how much cold weather will affect range. I think if you don’t really want to purchase an EV like the Bolt, you can invent plenty of issues to back your decision. It won’t be long before EVs are even better than the Bolt, maybe not for the price, but I’m sure at that time the bar can be raised again so these new vehicles will not be acceptable either. I struggled for a long time (I had an EVPlus not an EV1, but was still annoyed at GM) before getting rid of my 2011 Leaf and buying the Bolt. The Leaf still met my needs, but I wanted to do what I could to demonstrate a market for such a vehicle. Ed > On Nov 12, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > Practical ... let's see. > > At 32F, I'm assuming the bolt will get about 10% less range (I found a few > reports and that seems to be a reasonable guess). At 70mph, take off another > 20%. That means a 250 mile battery becomes 175 miles. Keep a buffer of 25 > miles so that one doesn't get range anxiety, that's 150 miles. And that's not > counting battery degregation. > > So, 150 miles at 70 mph is a about 2h15 hours. Let's say 2h30 just for > allowances. So, with one charge, you could travel 150 + 80% * 150 = 270 > miles. That trip would take 2h30 + 1h20 + 80% * 2h30 = 5h50. I can accept > that. > > But now let's say I want to go 300 miles. I need another charge to go another > 30 miles. That would be a stop for 30/150 miles * 1h20 = 15 minutes, assuming > charge times are linear (they aren't). So, 300 miles would take > 5h50 + 0h15 + 30/70mph = approx 6h30. > > Normally, I would make only one stop for about an hour for a trip of 300 > miles. Using the same metric as above, 150 miles in 2h30, that would be 5 > hours + 1 hour rest = 6 hours. I guess that's really not too bad - only 30 > minutes longer. > > Ok, the bolt EV is worth a consideration. And, of course, in better weather, > that second stop for 300 miles goes away, at least while the battery is new. > > Peri > > > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> > > -- Original Message -- > From: "EV List Lackey via EV" > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" > Cc: "EV List Lackey" > Sent: 12-Nov-22 10:20:54 > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ? > >>> On 12 Nov 2022 at 16:37, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: >>> >>> The Bolt EV is close, but I think it's charge time is about 1h 20, which >>> makes >>> it impractical for road trips. >> >> I guess that would depend on your definition of "practical," and how long >> the trip is, and thus how many charging sessions are required. When last I >> looked, the Bolt's price - under $26k! - was tough to pass up. That is just >> astounding for a 259 mile range. The difference between that and, say, a >> Tesla 3, would buy a heck of a lot of road trip ICEV rentals. >> >> As for waiting for something better, yeah, that's a strategy. It depends >> though on what you want. You'd need to be OK with expensive SUVs and >> crossovers, because that's just about all the automakers seem to be >> introducing and have plans to introduce. They don't want to sell small, >> practical, reasonably-priced EVs any more than they want to sell small, >> practical, reasonably-priced ICEVs. >> >> David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey >> >> To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my >> offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt >> >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> I found one day in school a boy of medium size ill-treating >> a smaller boy. I expostulated, but he replied: "The bigs hit >> me, so I hit the babies; that's fair." In these words he >> epitomized the history of the human race. >> >>-- Bertrand Russell, "Education and the Social Order" >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> >> ___ >> Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org >> No other addresses in TO and CC fields >> HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ >> > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ?
I'm not a facebook member, so if you are, would you do a search for places in greater seattle ? If you don't have time, that's fine. Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Sal Cameli" To: "Dex's Chris" Cc: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" ; "Peri Hartman" Sent: 12-Nov-22 11:26:52 Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ? I’m sorry but all did was make a website and a Facebook group. I don’t sell batteries, I don’t install batteries I’m in IT Consultant. Go to the website and zoom in to where you live and look for the installation locations that are closest to you, they may be states away, click on the little icon and get their information and contact them and ask them for some quotes. https://www.NissanLEAFbatteryReplacement.com/ Also check out the Facebook group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/LEAFs/?ref=share_group_link Thanks, Sal Sal Cameli CAMELI IT SERVICES, LLC. email: s...@cameli.us backup email: scam...@gmail.com New iPhone: (646) 647-5262 (Text me here for a faster response) Old iPhone: 646-901-4778 Work website: cameli.biz About me website: salcameli.com On Nov 12, 2022, at 2:09 PM, Dex's Chris wrote: https://nissanleafbatteryreplacement.com/ On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 10:39 AM Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Does anyone know if there are people or shops willing to do a battery replacement for a 2011 leaf in the greater seattle area ? The range in my Leaf was a dismal 20 miles in our sub zero weather last winter. It certainly isn't going to be any better this winter :) I've been looking to simply buy a new EV, which may make the most sense, but am not finding anything that meets my needs and isn't too expensive. I'd like something I can take on modest road trips, which means I would want a reasonably fast L3 recharge from 10% to 80%, like 30 minutes. And not over $40k including tax, etc. The Bolt EV is close, but I think it's charge time is about 1h 20, which makes it impractical for road trips. There are several models, e.g. Kona, which I think are a bit over $40k all costs included that charge in, perhaps 40 minutes (probably acceptable). But another option could be to extend the life of my leaf and see what options are on the market in 2-3 years. I need to look at that before making a decision. If I keep the leaf, it wouldn't be for road trips. But I would like to be able to make a 50 mile RT in 0F weather. That probably means having a 30kWh battery, at least. I'm figuring about 60% range at 0F and 30kWh should give somewhere close to 100 miles under good conditions, right ? Does anyone know if there are still people replacing 2011 leaf batteries in the greater seattle area ? Thanks, Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20221112/93d685a4/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ?
Thanks. Already looked there and the closest place is in Portland. << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Dex's Chris" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Peri Hartman" ; scam...@gmail.com Sent: 12-Nov-22 11:09:10 Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ? https://nissanleafbatteryreplacement.com/ On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 10:39 AM Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Does anyone know if there are people or shops willing to do a battery replacement for a 2011 leaf in the greater seattle area ? The range in my Leaf was a dismal 20 miles in our sub zero weather last winter. It certainly isn't going to be any better this winter :) I've been looking to simply buy a new EV, which may make the most sense, but am not finding anything that meets my needs and isn't too expensive. I'd like something I can take on modest road trips, which means I would want a reasonably fast L3 recharge from 10% to 80%, like 30 minutes. And not over $40k including tax, etc. The Bolt EV is close, but I think it's charge time is about 1h 20, which makes it impractical for road trips. There are several models, e.g. Kona, which I think are a bit over $40k all costs included that charge in, perhaps 40 minutes (probably acceptable). But another option could be to extend the life of my leaf and see what options are on the market in 2-3 years. I need to look at that before making a decision. If I keep the leaf, it wouldn't be for road trips. But I would like to be able to make a 50 mile RT in 0F weather. That probably means having a 30kWh battery, at least. I'm figuring about 60% range at 0F and 30kWh should give somewhere close to 100 miles under good conditions, right ? Does anyone know if there are still people replacing 2011 leaf batteries in the greater seattle area ? Thanks, Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20221112/f70a8261/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ?
Practical ... let's see. At 32F, I'm assuming the bolt will get about 10% less range (I found a few reports and that seems to be a reasonable guess). At 70mph, take off another 20%. That means a 250 mile battery becomes 175 miles. Keep a buffer of 25 miles so that one doesn't get range anxiety, that's 150 miles. And that's not counting battery degregation. So, 150 miles at 70 mph is a about 2h15 hours. Let's say 2h30 just for allowances. So, with one charge, you could travel 150 + 80% * 150 = 270 miles. That trip would take 2h30 + 1h20 + 80% * 2h30 = 5h50. I can accept that. But now let's say I want to go 300 miles. I need another charge to go another 30 miles. That would be a stop for 30/150 miles * 1h20 = 15 minutes, assuming charge times are linear (they aren't). So, 300 miles would take 5h50 + 0h15 + 30/70mph = approx 6h30. Normally, I would make only one stop for about an hour for a trip of 300 miles. Using the same metric as above, 150 miles in 2h30, that would be 5 hours + 1 hour rest = 6 hours. I guess that's really not too bad - only 30 minutes longer. Ok, the bolt EV is worth a consideration. And, of course, in better weather, that second stop for 300 miles goes away, at least while the battery is new. Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "EV List Lackey via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "EV List Lackey" Sent: 12-Nov-22 10:20:54 Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ? On 12 Nov 2022 at 16:37, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: The Bolt EV is close, but I think it's charge time is about 1h 20, which makes it impractical for road trips. I guess that would depend on your definition of "practical," and how long the trip is, and thus how many charging sessions are required. When last I looked, the Bolt's price - under $26k! - was tough to pass up. That is just astounding for a 259 mile range. The difference between that and, say, a Tesla 3, would buy a heck of a lot of road trip ICEV rentals. As for waiting for something better, yeah, that's a strategy. It depends though on what you want. You'd need to be OK with expensive SUVs and crossovers, because that's just about all the automakers seem to be introducing and have plans to introduce. They don't want to sell small, practical, reasonably-priced EVs any more than they want to sell small, practical, reasonably-priced ICEVs. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = I found one day in school a boy of medium size ill-treating a smaller boy. I expostulated, but he replied: "The bigs hit me, so I hit the babies; that's fair." In these words he epitomized the history of the human race. -- Bertrand Russell, "Education and the Social Order" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ?
On 11/12/22 12:20, EV List Lackey via EV wrote: On 12 Nov 2022 at 16:37, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: The Bolt EV is close, but I think it's charge time is about 1h 20, which makes it impractical for road trips. I guess that would depend on your definition of "practical," and how long the trip is, and thus how many charging sessions are required. When last I looked, the Bolt's price - under $26k! - was tough to pass up. That is just astounding for a 259 mile range. The difference between that and, say, a Tesla 3, would buy a heck of a lot of road trip ICEV rentals. Here is a semi-relevant anecdote. A month or so ago, I was driving a Kentucky freeway (not toll) and charged at a "plaza" that is between the two roadways. The plaza had about 8 Tesla stalls and 2 BrandX stalls. I don't think I've ever seen an EV charging at a BrandX before. I was thrilled to see a Bolt charging when I arrived. No Bolt person was there and I went in the truck stop for a head break. When I returned, I found the Bolt person and got his story. He had recently changed jobs and moved from California to Kentucky and lives near that plaza. That is, he was just testing the charger rather than making a cross country trip. He had had the Bolt towed from California and seemed to be using it only locally. We chatted a bit but it was time for me to leave. The Bolt was still charging when I left. One other Tesla had come and gone in that period. Side anecdote: When a fee is charged for Tesla SuperCharging, the fee seems mostly around $.35/kwh. I think the BrandX charger in Kentucky fee was about $.32/kwh. I was surprised since I thought BrandX fees were generally around $.45/kwh. OTOH, I think that is TVA territory. If so, electric rates may be lower than other areas. ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ?
On 12 Nov 2022 at 16:37, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > The Bolt EV is close, but I think it's charge time is about 1h 20, which makes > it impractical for road trips. I guess that would depend on your definition of "practical," and how long the trip is, and thus how many charging sessions are required. When last I looked, the Bolt's price - under $26k! - was tough to pass up. That is just astounding for a 259 mile range. The difference between that and, say, a Tesla 3, would buy a heck of a lot of road trip ICEV rentals. As for waiting for something better, yeah, that's a strategy. It depends though on what you want. You'd need to be OK with expensive SUVs and crossovers, because that's just about all the automakers seem to be introducing and have plans to introduce. They don't want to sell small, practical, reasonably-priced EVs any more than they want to sell small, practical, reasonably-priced ICEVs. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = I found one day in school a boy of medium size ill-treating a smaller boy. I expostulated, but he replied: "The bigs hit me, so I hit the babies; that's fair." In these words he epitomized the history of the human race. -- Bertrand Russell, "Education and the Social Order" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ?
There used to be several companies (individuals ?) around who did leaf battery replacements. Even though intuition might suggest a demand for this service, apparently the market shows the opposite. Perhaps that will change over the next few years as more and more people are looking for a cheap EV. Mine is 11 years old, which many people might consider too old. But, other than minor dents and minor interior wear, it's fine. The next cheapest current generation EV is probably the Bolt, but used ones are selling for $24k. That will probably go down in the next few years as more, less expensive, new models come on the market. Regardless, that's a huge spread from, say, $5k, to replace a leaf battery. Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Peter Eckhoff via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Peter Eckhoff" Sent: 12-Nov-22 09:17:12 Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ? Hi Peri, Just two suggestions: 1.) Is there not a Leaf owner's forum where you might be able to pose your situation and question? 2.) My ICE mechanic has replaced Prius packs **and** cells from third party companies. I would think with the number of Leafs out there, there should be a similar company and shop. Considering all the recent ads and articles about car companies going all to almost all in on EV production, I would think a local ICE mechanic trade association might be looking favorably on EV technology and know of a local shop that specializes or wants to get their feet wet in pack rebuilds/rejuvenation/replacement. It's worth a shot. Please let us know of your experience and outcome. Peter On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 11:39 AM Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Does anyone know if there are people or shops willing to do a battery replacement for a 2011 leaf in the greater seattle area ? The range in my Leaf was a dismal 20 miles in our sub zero weather last winter. It certainly isn't going to be any better this winter :) I've been looking to simply buy a new EV, which may make the most sense, but am not finding anything that meets my needs and isn't too expensive. I'd like something I can take on modest road trips, which means I would want a reasonably fast L3 recharge from 10% to 80%, like 30 minutes. And not over $40k including tax, etc. The Bolt EV is close, but I think it's charge time is about 1h 20, which makes it impractical for road trips. There are several models, e.g. Kona, which I think are a bit over $40k all costs included that charge in, perhaps 40 minutes (probably acceptable). But another option could be to extend the life of my leaf and see what options are on the market in 2-3 years. I need to look at that before making a decision. If I keep the leaf, it wouldn't be for road trips. But I would like to be able to make a 50 mile RT in 0F weather. That probably means having a 30kWh battery, at least. I'm figuring about 60% range at 0F and 30kWh should give somewhere close to 100 miles under good conditions, right ? Does anyone know if there are still people replacing 2011 leaf batteries in the greater seattle area ? Thanks, Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ?
On 11/12/22 10:58, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Yeah, I have my words for the 2011 leaf, too. But, really, I have to hold my complaints. I wanted the first commercially available EV (in my area) and that was the first choice (perhaps the iMiev would have been slightly better, don't know). I'm happy to have been driving an EV for over 11 years ! I bought two new 2014 imievs in 2015 and 2016. They have been relatively trouble free but I have been unable to put many miles on them. FAR less troublesome than the Leaf. Well under 20k miles each. Volume on those cars has been so low that I do not expect a replacement battery business. to develop. I do not understand why Leaf volume has not stimulated such business. Service for imievs has pretty well disappeared as it has for Leafs. Both my imievs have several error lights displayed but I figure they are not worth attempting a fix. I have a semi-amusing story about getting the imievs air bags fixed. ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ?
Hi Peri, Just two suggestions: 1.) Is there not a Leaf owner's forum where you might be able to pose your situation and question? 2.) My ICE mechanic has replaced Prius packs **and** cells from third party companies. I would think with the number of Leafs out there, there should be a similar company and shop. Considering all the recent ads and articles about car companies going all to almost all in on EV production, I would think a local ICE mechanic trade association might be looking favorably on EV technology and know of a local shop that specializes or wants to get their feet wet in pack rebuilds/rejuvenation/replacement. It's worth a shot. Please let us know of your experience and outcome. Peter On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 11:39 AM Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > Does anyone know if there are people or shops willing to do a battery > replacement for a 2011 leaf in the greater seattle area ? > > The range in my Leaf was a dismal 20 miles in our sub zero weather last > winter. It certainly isn't going to be any better this winter :) > > I've been looking to simply buy a new EV, which may make the most sense, > but am not finding anything that meets my needs and isn't too expensive. > I'd like something I can take on modest road trips, which means I would > want a reasonably fast L3 recharge from 10% to 80%, like 30 minutes. And > not over $40k including tax, etc. > > The Bolt EV is close, but I think it's charge time is about 1h 20, which > makes it impractical for road trips. There are several models, e.g. > Kona, which I think are a bit over $40k all costs included that charge > in, perhaps 40 minutes (probably acceptable). But another option could > be to extend the life of my leaf and see what options are on the market > in 2-3 years. I need to look at that before making a decision. > > If I keep the leaf, it wouldn't be for road trips. But I would like to > be able to make a 50 mile RT in 0F weather. That probably means having a > 30kWh battery, at least. I'm figuring about 60% range at 0F and 30kWh > should give somewhere close to 100 miles under good conditions, right ? > > Does anyone know if there are still people replacing 2011 leaf batteries > in the greater seattle area ? > > Thanks, > Peri > > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ?
Yeah, I have my words for the 2011 leaf, too. But, really, I have to hold my complaints. I wanted the first commercially available EV (in my area) and that was the first choice (perhaps the iMiev would have been slightly better, don't know). I'm happy to have been driving an EV for over 11 years ! Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Willie via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Willie" Sent: 12-Nov-22 08:49:20 Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ? On 11/12/22 10:37, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Does anyone know if there are people or shops willing to do a battery replacement for a 2011 leaf in the greater seattle area ? The range in my Leaf was a dismal 20 miles in our sub zero weather last winter. It certainly isn't going to be any better this winter :) I've been looking to simply buy a new EV, which may make the most sense, but am not finding anything that meets my needs and isn't too expensive. I'd like something I can take on modest road trips, which means I would want a reasonably fast L3 recharge from 10% to 80%, like 30 minutes. And not over $40k including tax, etc. The Bolt EV is close, but I think it's charge time is about 1h 20, which makes it impractical for road trips. There are several models, e.g. Kona, which I think are a bit over $40k all costs included that charge in, perhaps 40 minutes (probably acceptable). But another option could be to extend the life of my leaf and see what options are on the market in 2-3 years. I need to look at that before making a decision. If I keep the leaf, it wouldn't be for road trips. But I would like to be able to make a 50 mile RT in 0F weather. That probably means having a 30kWh battery, at least. I'm figuring about 60% range at 0F and 30kWh should give somewhere close to 100 miles under good conditions, right ? Does anyone know if there are still people replacing 2011 leaf batteries in the greater seattle area ? No direct help, but I have been monitoring the situation since when I bought my POS Leaf in 2011. I expected the battery to last ~10 years at which time I could more cheaply buy a bigger/better replacement. Well, you know what happened. Please post if you find anything interesting. If you put labor into getting into the battery, it may be best to get much higher than OEM capacity. Actually, I now consider only the Nissan battery a POS, not the entire car. It DOES seem that there should be more battery replacement options available. ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ?
Thanks. I'll contact them, though it is a bit difficult to get the leaf to portland. Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Bob Bath via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Bob Bath" Sent: 12-Nov-22 08:51:17 Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ? EVRides in Portland is all I know. Sincerely, Bob Bath 541.761.0838 Note: any misspellings of the contents of this message are due to 56 y.o. vision, hyperactive spell check changing what I typed, or fat fingering— not cluelessness. On Nov 12, 2022, at 8:50 AM, Willie via EV wrote: On 11/12/22 10:37, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Does anyone know if there are people or shops willing to do a battery replacement for a 2011 leaf in the greater seattle area ? The range in my Leaf was a dismal 20 miles in our sub zero weather last winter. It certainly isn't going to be any better this winter :) I've been looking to simply buy a new EV, which may make the most sense, but am not finding anything that meets my needs and isn't too expensive. I'd like something I can take on modest road trips, which means I would want a reasonably fast L3 recharge from 10% to 80%, like 30 minutes. And not over $40k including tax, etc. The Bolt EV is close, but I think it's charge time is about 1h 20, which makes it impractical for road trips. There are several models, e.g. Kona, which I think are a bit over $40k all costs included that charge in, perhaps 40 minutes (probably acceptable). But another option could be to extend the life of my leaf and see what options are on the market in 2-3 years. I need to look at that before making a decision. If I keep the leaf, it wouldn't be for road trips. But I would like to be able to make a 50 mile RT in 0F weather. That probably means having a 30kWh battery, at least. I'm figuring about 60% range at 0F and 30kWh should give somewhere close to 100 miles under good conditions, right ? Does anyone know if there are still people replacing 2011 leaf batteries in the greater seattle area ? No direct help, but I have been monitoring the situation since when I bought my POS Leaf in 2011. I expected the battery to last ~10 years at which time I could more cheaply buy a bigger/better replacement. Well, you know what happened. Please post if you find anything interesting. If you put labor into getting into the battery, it may be best to get much higher than OEM capacity. Actually, I now consider only the Nissan battery a POS, not the entire car. It DOES seem that there should be more battery replacement options available. ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ?
EVRides in Portland is all I know. Sincerely, Bob Bath 541.761.0838 Note: any misspellings of the contents of this message are due to 56 y.o. vision, hyperactive spell check changing what I typed, or fat fingering— not cluelessness. > On Nov 12, 2022, at 8:50 AM, Willie via EV wrote: > > >> On 11/12/22 10:37, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: >> Does anyone know if there are people or shops willing to do a battery >> replacement for a 2011 leaf in the greater seattle area ? >> >> The range in my Leaf was a dismal 20 miles in our sub zero weather last >> winter. It certainly isn't going to be any better this winter :) >> >> I've been looking to simply buy a new EV, which may make the most sense, but >> am not finding anything that meets my needs and isn't too expensive. I'd >> like something I can take on modest road trips, which means I would want a >> reasonably fast L3 recharge from 10% to 80%, like 30 minutes. And not over >> $40k including tax, etc. >> >> The Bolt EV is close, but I think it's charge time is about 1h 20, which >> makes it impractical for road trips. There are several models, e.g. Kona, >> which I think are a bit over $40k all costs included that charge in, perhaps >> 40 minutes (probably acceptable). But another option could be to extend the >> life of my leaf and see what options are on the market in 2-3 years. I need >> to look at that before making a decision. >> >> If I keep the leaf, it wouldn't be for road trips. But I would like to be >> able to make a 50 mile RT in 0F weather. That probably means having a 30kWh >> battery, at least. I'm figuring about 60% range at 0F and 30kWh should give >> somewhere close to 100 miles under good conditions, right ? >> >> Does anyone know if there are still people replacing 2011 leaf batteries in >> the greater seattle area ? > > No direct help, but I have been monitoring the situation since when I bought > my POS Leaf in 2011. I expected the battery to last ~10 years at which time I > could more cheaply buy a bigger/better replacement. Well, you know what > happened. > > Please post if you find anything interesting. If you put labor into getting > into the battery, it may be best to get much higher than OEM capacity. > > Actually, I now consider only the Nissan battery a POS, not the entire car. > > It DOES seem that there should be more battery replacement options available. > > > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ?
On 11/12/22 10:37, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Does anyone know if there are people or shops willing to do a battery replacement for a 2011 leaf in the greater seattle area ? The range in my Leaf was a dismal 20 miles in our sub zero weather last winter. It certainly isn't going to be any better this winter :) I've been looking to simply buy a new EV, which may make the most sense, but am not finding anything that meets my needs and isn't too expensive. I'd like something I can take on modest road trips, which means I would want a reasonably fast L3 recharge from 10% to 80%, like 30 minutes. And not over $40k including tax, etc. The Bolt EV is close, but I think it's charge time is about 1h 20, which makes it impractical for road trips. There are several models, e.g. Kona, which I think are a bit over $40k all costs included that charge in, perhaps 40 minutes (probably acceptable). But another option could be to extend the life of my leaf and see what options are on the market in 2-3 years. I need to look at that before making a decision. If I keep the leaf, it wouldn't be for road trips. But I would like to be able to make a 50 mile RT in 0F weather. That probably means having a 30kWh battery, at least. I'm figuring about 60% range at 0F and 30kWh should give somewhere close to 100 miles under good conditions, right ? Does anyone know if there are still people replacing 2011 leaf batteries in the greater seattle area ? No direct help, but I have been monitoring the situation since when I bought my POS Leaf in 2011. I expected the battery to last ~10 years at which time I could more cheaply buy a bigger/better replacement. Well, you know what happened. Please post if you find anything interesting. If you put labor into getting into the battery, it may be best to get much higher than OEM capacity. Actually, I now consider only the Nissan battery a POS, not the entire car. It DOES seem that there should be more battery replacement options available. ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
[EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ?
Does anyone know if there are people or shops willing to do a battery replacement for a 2011 leaf in the greater seattle area ? The range in my Leaf was a dismal 20 miles in our sub zero weather last winter. It certainly isn't going to be any better this winter :) I've been looking to simply buy a new EV, which may make the most sense, but am not finding anything that meets my needs and isn't too expensive. I'd like something I can take on modest road trips, which means I would want a reasonably fast L3 recharge from 10% to 80%, like 30 minutes. And not over $40k including tax, etc. The Bolt EV is close, but I think it's charge time is about 1h 20, which makes it impractical for road trips. There are several models, e.g. Kona, which I think are a bit over $40k all costs included that charge in, perhaps 40 minutes (probably acceptable). But another option could be to extend the life of my leaf and see what options are on the market in 2-3 years. I need to look at that before making a decision. If I keep the leaf, it wouldn't be for road trips. But I would like to be able to make a 50 mile RT in 0F weather. That probably means having a 30kWh battery, at least. I'm figuring about 60% range at 0F and 30kWh should give somewhere close to 100 miles under good conditions, right ? Does anyone know if there are still people replacing 2011 leaf batteries in the greater seattle area ? Thanks, Peri << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
