Re: [EVDL] California solicits applications for $40 million in NEVI EV charging grants

[Al Lumas via EV]

Didn't EV's precede ICE's more than 100 years ago and were very popular in
big cities that had charging stations every few blocks?  
Henry Ford's wife and many others drove them because they didn't require
hand cranking to be started.  

Al Lumas


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From: EV  On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 6:39 PM
100 years ago, ICEs started replacing horses. A century later, there are
*still* a small percentage of people using horses. But the vast majority of
people use ICEs.
Le


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Re: [EVDL] California solicits applications for $40 million in NEVI EV charging grants

[paul dove via EV]

Your seriously comparing horses vs cars with EVs vs ICEs? 
Horses were overcome by technology which is not the case here! Some tasks will 
always be better suited to combustion engines.


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On Saturday, November 4, 2023, 8:38 PM, Lee Hart via EV  
wrote:

Paul Dove wrote:
> Weve had battery powered lawn equipment for over 10 years now
> and they still sell gasoline versions. We will never go 100% EV.

No; it will never be 100%. But it could easily reach 50% or even more within 
our lifetimes. Longer term, it may well get very close to 100% EV.

100 years ago, ICEs started replacing horses. A century later, there are 
*still* a small percentage of people using horses. But the vast majority of 
people use ICEs.

Le
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Re: [EVDL] California solicits applications for $40 million in NEVI EV charging grants

[Lawrence Winiarski via EV]

Honestly I think slow charging during daylight hours at places of work or 
shopping could be more appreciated.
Since solar is becoming more and more popular, it makes sense to charge the car 
during the daylight hours at work.
If you are going to promote something...


On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 06:39:23 PM PDT, Lee Hart via EV 
 wrote:  
 
 Paul Dove wrote:
> Weve had battery powered lawn equipment for over 10 years now
> and they still sell gasoline versions. We will never go 100% EV.

No; it will never be 100%. But it could easily reach 50% or even more within 
our lifetimes. Longer term, it may well get very close to 100% EV.

100 years ago, ICEs started replacing horses. A century later, there are 
*still* a small percentage of people using horses. But the vast majority of 
people use ICEs.

Le
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Re: [EVDL] California solicits applications for $40 million in NEVI EV charging grants

[Lee Hart via EV]

Paul Dove wrote:
> Weve had battery powered lawn equipment for over 10 years now
> and they still sell gasoline versions. We will never go 100% EV.

No; it will never be 100%. But it could easily reach 50% or even more within 
our lifetimes. Longer term, it may well get very close to 100% EV.

100 years ago, ICEs started replacing horses. A century later, there are 
*still* a small percentage of people using horses. But the vast majority of 
people use ICEs.

Le
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Re: [EVDL] California solicits applications for $40 million in NEVI EV charging grants

[paul dove via EV]

Very doubtful! We’ve had battery powered lawn equipment for over 10 years now 
and they still sale gasoline versions. We will never go 100% EV. Not unless the 
outlaw it.


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On Friday, November 3, 2023, 1:45 PM, EV@TucsonEV via EV  
wrote:

https://chargedevs.com/newswire/california-solicits-applications-for-40-million-
in-nevi-ev-charging-grants/  

 

I can just see it now, in a few years there are going to be massive parking lots
in Nevada, Arizona, Oregon and Baja Calif where parking for gas guzzlers are
going to be parked for $20/day because Calif only has EV charging stations, no
gas stations. 

 

Best regards,

 

Rush Dougherty

TucsonEV

www.TucsonEV.com  

 

 

 

 

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Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

[EV@TucsonEV via EV]

Well, once again, it looks like the thread has strayed from EV's into
politics...

Best regards,

Rush Dougherty
TucsonEV
1014 E King St
Tucson AZ 85719
520 240 7493
www.TucsonEV.com




  EV List Lackey wrote -
> "To understand the Republican party, or the Democratic party, for that matter,
it is
> most efficient to look directly at the clients -- or as political scientist
Thomas
> Ferguson would call them, the 'major investors.'
> On that level, the ideological contradictions are unimportant. Political
parties do
> function as mediating institutions, just not for voters."
>
> -- William Greider, "Who Will Tell the People"

Well, once again, it looks like the thread has strayed from EV's into
politics...

Best regards,

Rush Dougherty
TucsonEV
www.TucsonEV.com




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Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

[EV List Lackey via EV]

On 4 Nov 2023 at 11:51, EV@TucsonEV via EV wrote:

> >  Part of the problem is that our "leaders" are actually followers.
> 
> Entirely true and as it should be, after all we elect our leaders and
> they are supposed to follow the will of the people. 

You (and I) wish.  Nope; they follow the money.

"To understand the Republican party, or the Democratic party, for that 
matter, it is most efficient to look directly at the clients -- or as 
political scientist Thomas Ferguson would call them, the 'major investors.' 
On that level, the ideological contradictions are unimportant. Political 
parties do function as mediating institutions, just not for voters."  

-- William Greider, "Who Will Tell the People"

This isn't to say that voting has no effect on anything.  It's just that it 
has little to no effect on public policies that interest the ultra-wealthy.  
The applicability of this principle to EVs will be left as an exercise for 
the reader.

David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey

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Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

[EV@TucsonEV via EV]

>  Part of the problem is that our "leaders" are actually followers.

Entirely true and as it should be, after all we elect our leaders and they are
supposed to follow the will of the people. And if we don't think they are
'following' us, then we don't re-elect them as was the case with trump (one of
those 'clueless' in my opinion).

Hopefully the 'leaders' have enough intelligence to see that they can also
propose, lead with new, innovative and worthwhile ideas.

Best regards,

Rush Dougherty
TucsonEV
www.TucsonEV.com



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Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

[Lee Hart via EV]

> Gloom and doom... wow. Innovation breeds innovation!
> Of course based on what we see today things are impossible.
> But with each step forward the creative juices flow.

So true! Part of the problem is that our "leaders" are actually followers. They 
follow the polls, they follow the money, they follow what worked in the past. 
Alas, too many people play "follow the leader" even when their "leaders" have 
proven to be clueless.

But change will come; it always does. The innovations needed to deal with the 
changes will have to come from someone *other* than our erstwhile leaders. The 
type of people who are on this list :-)

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Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

[63urban via EV]

Gloom and dome... wow. Innovation breeds innovation   of course based on what 
we see today things are impossible.  But with each step forward the creative 
juices flow.  A couple of years ago the headlines were all about all science is 
complete man has figured everything out. Wow for an ev group I am at times 
amazed by the negativity.Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest 
network.
 Original message From: Michael Ross via EV  
Date: 2023-11-03  10:30 p.m.  (GMT-05:00) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
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EV's not a green success. I can't evaluate this. But I approve of the broad 
stroke analysis.He thinks it could take a century to replace ICE with EVs. 
Among otherthings.Why EVs Aren't The GreenTech Panacea || Peter 
Zeihanhttps://youtu.be/8P95NFlAnmY?si=T460QtOCo9lwqfszBottom line for him, we 
should be spending our time and treasure on thingsthat will actually make us 
greener.Bottom line for me, I bet we don't succeed with anything. There is no 
willor way as far as I can tell.The US has more means to do good than anyone 
one else, and here we areshutting down the EPA and so on.-- Michael E. 
Ross(919) 585-6737 <http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B19195856737> 
Land(919) 901-2805 <http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B19199012805>Cell 
andText(919) 576-0824 
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