Re: [EVDL] Adding a FM radio to a Tesla.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 All you need is a phone hooked to bluetooth.  Most stations stream free on the 
world wide web. Otherwise a simple digital radio has  surprising fidelity and 
selectivity. Might have to shop around a bit to satisfy your taste in radio. 
Lawrence Rhodes 
On Friday, April 19, 2024, 04:22:49 PM PDT, Lee Hart 
 wrote:  
 
 > In the era of streaming any am or fm radio station, radio reception ability 
 > is almost mute.
> A simple portable radio hooked to a Bluetooth transmitter is all you need, if 
> you can't stream.

Maybe for some people. But I happen to like listening to an actual radio, 
without having to subscribe to some streaming service.

Most cheap portable radios also have worse sensitivity, selectivity, and 
fidelity than the radios normally put in cars.

Lee
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Re: [EVDL] Adding a FM radio to a Tesla.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 In the era of streaming any am or fm radio station, radio reception ability is 
almost mute. A simple portable radio hooked to a Bluetooth transmitter is all 
you need, if you can't stream. Total cost starts under $20.  Lawrence Rhodes 
https://www.google.com/search?q=am+fm+portable+radio+amazon=am+fm+portable+_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgCEAAYgAQyBwgAEAAYgAQyBggBEEUYOTIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIHCAQQABiABDIHCAUQABiABDIHCAYQABiABDIHCAcQABiABDIHCAgQABiABDIICAkQABgWGB4yCAgKEAAYFhgeMggICxAAGBYYHjIICAwQABgWGB4yCAgNEAAYFhgeMggIDhAAGBYYHtIBCTEwMjI1ajBqOKgCALACAA=tablet-android-samsung=chrome-mobile=UTF-8.
 
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Rumor: Tesla abandons $25k EV?

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 Henry Ford made an affordable vehicle that was reduced in price over time, as 
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Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 137, Issue 1

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 I came to the conclusion that the file is on my machine. However it is lost. 
Please disregard. If I find the article I will send it, via url. Lawrence 
Rhodes 
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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: [GGEVA] Chart shows energy production from 2000 to today.
      All time high in all sectors. (EV List Lackey)


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> You cannot attach images to emails for the mailing list like that.

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I've used this one.  It works fine.  No signup or login is required, not 
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Re: [EVDL] Chart shows energy production from 2000 to today. All time high in all sectors.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 Disregard. Can't find the file.
On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 10:23:50 AM PST, Lawrence Rhodes 
 wrote:  
 
 The below chart shows energy production with dips and peaks seemingly to 
follow administrations, wars and the pandemic. Big peak before the pandemic. It 
seems the USA is selling a lot of oil. However the highest production was 
renewables almost always. Now all sectors are at all time highs. Obviously 
recovering after the pandemic. Is part of this the USA replacing Russian oil? 
Lawrence Rhodes 






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[EVDL] Chart shows energy production from 2000 to today. All time high in all sectors.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

The below chart shows energy production with dips and peaks seemingly to follow 
administrations, wars and the pandemic. Big peak before the pandemic. It seems 
the USA is selling a lot of oil. However the highest production was renewables 
almost always. Now all sectors are at all time highs. Obviously recovering 
after the pandemic. Is part of this the USA replacing Russian oil? Lawrence 
Rhodes 






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[EVDL] San Francisco E-Bike ordinance.

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https://sfbike.org/news/take-action-on-the-upcoming-e-battery-ordinance/?j=4286880_sub=720337111=502_HTML=138065876=7208971=5010
  Unenforceable. Lawrence Rhodes



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[EVDL] 30C eligibility map..no you can't...get charger credit

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https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/3f67d5e82dc64d1589714d5499196d4f/page/Page/
 
 You probably don't qualify...Lawrence Rhodes

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[EVDL] LFP batteries now a better option than reclaimed batteries

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This will help all aspects of battery adoption, except corded devices. Lawrence 
Rhodes.  
https://www.energy-storage.news/lfp-price-falls-make-first-life-batteries-more-attractive-than-second-life-ones-firm-says/
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Re: [EVDL] Mudworm disassembled, batteries and motor available.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 A little touch up. Characters added. Not me. Lawrence Rhodes 
On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 12:14:57 PM PST, Lawrence Rhodes 
 wrote:  
 
  Disregard former Mudroom post. Will check for typos and proper urls. 
Batteries only have a few cycles. Motor can be water cooled. Available in San 
Francisco contact Milan. milan.petren...@gmail.com  Lawrence Rhodes 

Ebay listings: https://www.ebay.com/itm/285365015234 motor
https://www.ebay.com/itm/285616009841 batteries. 

 Mudworm in action. https://youtu.be/-oIEnukUpuE?si=_j-N17Q628n0ktW9   

https://youtu.be/nFJmJPfQMVw?si=fOXNMN2V982YbhwT
 Visit to my house:   
https://youtu.cuLOpb4kGI?si=TUWyJpdX3OojbewU_._,_._https://youtu.cuLOpb4kGI?si=TUWyJpdX3OojbewU_._,_._,_https://youtu.be/GcuLOpb4kGI?si=TUWyJpdX3OojbewU
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Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] Mudroom disassembled batteries and motor available.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 Please disregard. Sent correction. Lawrence Rhodes 
On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 10:55:07 AM PST, Phil 
 wrote:  
 
 Lawrence, the videos you linked are about roof decks and composting toilets?  
Also, what is a Mudroom battery?

On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 9:22 AM Lawrence Rhodes  
wrote:

https://youtu.be/K3Zp1EzxTkM?si=EvNph9icXPhLnj8g Mudworm in action.
Batteries only have a few cycles. Motor can be water cooled. Available in San 
Francisco contact Milan. milan.petren...@gmail.com  Ebay listings: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/285365015234?mkcid=16=1=711-127632-2357-0=YhdxzJnbSwW=4429486=YhdxzJnbSwW=_ver=artemis=SMS
  
https://www.ebay.com/itm/285604410193?mkcid=16=1=711-127632-2357-0=YhdxzJnbSwW=4429486=YhdxzJnbSwW=_ver=artemis=SMS
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[EVDL] Mudworm disassembled, batteries and motor available.

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 Disregard former Mudroom post. Will check for typos and proper urls. 
Batteries only have a few cycles. Motor can be water cooled. Available in San 
Francisco contact Milan. milan.petren...@gmail.com  Lawrence Rhodes 

Ebay listings: https://www.ebay.com/itm/285365015234 motor
https://www.ebay.com/itm/285616009841 batteries.  Mudworm in action. 
https://youtu.be/-oIEnukUpuE?si=_j-N17Q628n0ktW9  
https://youtu.be/nFJmJPfQMVw?si=fOXNMN2V982YbhwT Visit to my house:   
https://youtu.cuLOpb4kGI?si=TUWyJpdX3OojbewU_._,_._https://youtu.cuLOpb4kGI?si=TUWyJpdX3OojbewU_._,_._,_https://youtu.be/GcuLOpb4kGI?si=TUWyJpdX3OojbewU
  
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Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] Mudroom disassembled batteries and motor available.

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 I will fix typos and urls. Lawrence Rhodes 
On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 09:22:01 AM PST, Lawrence Rhodes 
 wrote:  
 
 https://youtu.be/K3Zp1EzxTkM?si=EvNph9icXPhLnj8g Mudworm in action.
Batteries only have a few cycles. Motor can be water cooled. Available in San 
Francisco contact Milan. milan.petren...@gmail.com  Ebay listings: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/285365015234?mkcid=16=1=711-127632-2357-0=YhdxzJnbSwW=4429486=YhdxzJnbSwW=_ver=artemis=SMS
  
https://www.ebay.com/itm/285604410193?mkcid=16=1=711-127632-2357-0=YhdxzJnbSwW=4429486=YhdxzJnbSwW=_ver=artemis=SMS
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[EVDL] Mudroom disassembled batteries and motor available.

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https://youtu.be/K3Zp1EzxTkM?si=EvNph9icXPhLnj8g Mudworm in action.
Batteries only have a few cycles. Motor can be water cooled. Available in San 
Francisco contact Milan. milan.petren...@gmail.com  Ebay listings: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/285365015234?mkcid=16=1=711-127632-2357-0=YhdxzJnbSwW=4429486=YhdxzJnbSwW=_ver=artemis=SMS
  
https://www.ebay.com/itm/285604410193?mkcid=16=1=711-127632-2357-0=YhdxzJnbSwW=4429486=YhdxzJnbSwW=_ver=artemis=SMS
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[EVDL] NYT: Nikola founder sentenced

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   - A judge sentenced the founder of Nikola, an electric truck start-up, to 
four years in prison for inflating his company’s value with extravagant, false 
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Re: [EVDL] Totally OT, but... (was: Elon Musk: "We should not demonize oil and gas") (Bill Dube)

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Re: [EVDL] EV-Solar: LiFePO4 recommended best batteries ?

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 I just got a quote for two Tesla power walls, about 10kw each. Nickel 
batteries. Not LFP. Supposedly are really 13kw with 20 to 80% algorithm built 
in. My new Y is also nickel. Theory is more power and similar life as well as 
faster charging. 5.85kw solar panels and two batteries for $50k and 17k of tax 
write off. All legal with smart panel but in producing from 2.4 to 8kw will 
lose PG 1 to 1 payback.. Never have to worry about power outages though. This 
includes no roof work. We paid $700 last year up from the pandemic $550. Still 
haven't put in a heat pump. Still using space heaters. I could DIY but PG 
might notice. Doing it legally will cost use $4k a year vs. $700 and that's 
with space heaters and one Leaf. Now two Teslas and heat pump coming...We will 
use more in my estimation.  Lawrence Rhodes 
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[EVDL] EVs have 79% more reliability problems than gas cars, says Consumer Reports

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This is not my experience. I have heard CR skews data. I didn't bother to read 
the article yet. 225k on Leaf and Tesla over a decade. Any problems fixed on 
recall at no cost. I think recolating the data into vehicle model might yield 
more truth. Lawrence Rhodes 
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[EVDL] I destroyed an A123 26650 by shorting to the case.

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https://youtu.be/zEXx_2Caefc?si=j66-Advfy42A7-Aq I wasn't too careful 
separating some cells. Nicked a few. Used in flashlights they are awesome.  
However,  I nicked a few near the base and my hacked flashlight spring shorted 
the cell. Smoke and brown fluid.  Oops. I will tape nicks and avoid making them 
in the future. Also use an adapter of pvc for extra safety. Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] Selling my Leaf.

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 This is a 30kwh S. Still capable of 1 mile per percent. Useful within a 50 
mile radius. Driven at 50 mph on flat ish freeways. I notice getting 70 to 80 
miles now driven normalish. Originally 107 miles EPA. 11 hours to Burbank from 
San Francisco a couple of years ago. Lawrence Rhodes 
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 11:54:19 AM PST, Ken Olum 
 wrote:  
 
   From: Lawrence Rhodes 
  Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 05:41:54 + (UTC)

  The Leaf is a 2016 with 70% battery health(7bars)with 98k on the
  clock.

On my 2013 Leaf, there are 12 potential bars of battery health, so 7
bars would mean 7/12, not 70%.  Is the 2016 different?

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Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] Selling my Leaf.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 The Leaf is a 2016 with 70% battery health(7bars)with 98k on the clock. 
https://www.facebook.com/lawrence.rhodes.3/posts/pfbid0rMDchm2rXNjkM3sScm8j5M11f1hJfG9MGE2aATctvT1twJmwxWc6KkLASxHuCV5Wl
On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 08:05:07 PM PST, Phil  
wrote:  
 
 What year is it, how many miles, and what battery health level is it at?

On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 7:52 PM Lawrence Rhodes  
wrote:

Just took delivery of a model Y. Bye bye my trusty ride. I thought I'd post her 
first for people who know the character of this vehicle.  No trouble except one 
flat. Newish tires. Will have it aligned before transferring. Make a reasonable 
offer and it's yours. Straight body. Loose drivers side door handle from 
tampering. Some smudges in the headliner from my trike. Seats and seat belts in 
good condition. Lawrence Rhodes 




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[EVDL] Selling my Leaf.

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Just took delivery of a model Y. Bye bye my trusty ride. I thought I'd post her 
first for people who know the character of this vehicle.  No trouble except one 
flat. Newish tires. Will have it aligned before transferring. Make a reasonable 
offer and it's yours. Straight body. Loose drivers side door handle from 
tampering. Some smudges in the headliner from my trike. Seats and seat belts in 
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[EVDL] California State battery program for PSPS situations to keep important functions going like a Cpap machine etc..

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https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/industries-and-topics/electrical-energy/demand-side-management/self-generation-incentive-program/participating-in-self-generation-incentive-program-sgip
Seems like a lot of hoops to jump through. Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] Leaf headlights cover replacement saga

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 Polish. No need for new lenses. Lawrence Rhodes 
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[EVDL] Made it on Wham Baam Teslacam

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#18 https://youtu.be/Mjkgu51N_64?si=ip6g8qAq8pJ1PeCA My 15 seconds of fame. 
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[EVDL] Battery prices fall 80%; tipping point to the end of ICE cars is VERY close

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https://youtu.be/9ElyBYz3HOE?si=tBdVBdG6oXw14Pxx According to the Electric 
Viking prices of batteries will bring EV cost to that of ICE, thus bring it's 
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[EVDL] Starship will be no better than cavemen throwing rocks at the moon

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https://www.youtube.com/live/zDY7t6HihCw?si=4QDCdXL7DPNp3woq Yesterday at 
National Press Club. Disclosure Project. The world could change overnight. 
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Re: [EVDL] EV Distance Record Smashed (Alan Arrison)

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100 miles on 1kWh? What are you smoking?

I'm pretty sure even an electric bicycle can't do that.

Al
 You would be mistaken. Stella Era did 1,200 miles over two days using a 
1,250kwh battery and a 1.25 kw solar panel. That's pretty close. Lawrence 
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[EVDL] [GGEVA] Paul Scott comment on article NYT Battle Over Electric Vehicles Is Central to Auto Strike

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 Bravo.
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:23:06 PM PDT, 
cleanair@sbcglob wrote:  
 
  I couldn't agree more with Paul Scott.Danny Ames

 Paul ScottSanta Monica 
I've been an EV activist for over 20 years. Been driving EVs and powering them 
with solar energy since 2002. I helped organize the fight to save the last 
remaining EV1s that were ultimately crushed as portrayed in the documentary, 
"Who Killed the Electric car?". When we were fighting to save EVs from being 
crushed, the UAW didn't help us. When I went to Washington for hearings on EVs, 
Rep. Dingell testified against EVs, specifically on behalf of the UAW. For two 
decades unions and their members have fought against EVs. 
But then Tesla came along. 
Against heavy odds, Elon Musk and his excellent team of engineers and workers, 
all motivated by the mission to electrify transportation, built the best cars 
and SUVs in the world - according to every metric you wish to use. Tesla, 
derided for years for not being profitable, were pumping the profits into 
building bigger and more efficient factories, "the machine that builds the 
machine", and now Tesla has the highest profit per unit - by far - of all 
carmakers. 
UAW members deserve whatever happens to them. They all drive grossly 
inefficient gas vehicles, and a high percentage of them support Trump. The ICE 
industry is going to be dead no later than 2035, so everyone making anything 
associated with internal combustion will be out of a job. The Labor Dept. says 
we need over a million electricians, so maybe some can learn that trade. I hope 
the strike lasts a long time, because the fewer ICE vehicles built, the better.
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[EVDL] EV Distance Record Smashed

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 Nothing beats the efficiency of a properly designed solar vehicle that can 
collect energy anytime the sun shines. With a 12.5 kwh battery, 5 seats. 1.25 
kw solar panel .15 coefficient of drag, 45 mph speed and a weight of 850 pounds 
the last interation of the Stella (practical solar vehicle) solar racer of the 
Cruiser Class in the World Solar Challenge achieved 1,200 miles on one charge. 
That's the record in my opinion. solarteameindhoven.nl not a rolling pingpong 
table. Lawrence Rhodes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_(solar_vehicles)
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla Chat concerning a model Y purchase concern. Didn't go well.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 True. However, Manganese will be cheaper yet, and better. Lawrence Rhodes
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 06:14:26 PM PDT, paul dove 
 wrote:  
 
 Due to their long life, safety, and affordability, Tesla, Ford, and other 
major automakers are switching to LFP batteries in some of their EV models. 
Tesla uses LFP batteries in its Model 3 Standard Range Plus and Model Y 
Standard Range models. 
https://eepower.com/market-insights/tesla-kicks-off-future-of-lfp-batteries-in-evs/#:~:text=Major%20Players%20Switch%20to%20LFP,Model%20Y%20Standard%20Range%20models.
 



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On Saturday, September 9, 2023, 7:56 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV 
 wrote:

Here is my Chat with a Tesla expert. Did I do something wrong or was the Tesla 
employee rude...or something else? Lawrence Rhodes
Please connect me with a Tesla expert.
We are connecting you to an agent. The next agent will be available in 1 minute

Successfully reconnected

An agent has joined the chat

Welcome to Tesla. How can I help you?

Which Model Y has LFP or Manganese batteries?

Hi Lawrence!

Thank you for chatting in today. My name is Marvie, and I’m your chat advisor. 
I hope you’re having an electric day!

yes

Will incentives be stable on the Y till next year?

Which Model Y has LFP or Manganese batteries?

We expect them to be reduced.

At Tesla, we prioritize delivering high-quality vehicles that meet our 
customer's needs and exceed their expectations. While we don't typically 
disclose detailed battery specifications, we can assure you that every Tesla 
Model is equipped with top-of-the-line technology and designed to provide 
exceptional performance and efficiency.

Reduced when?

I knew which batteries my III came with. Wouldn't have bought it unless I knew. 
Disclosing battery type is not detailed information.

We all know LFP batteries come on the sub 3oo mile range vehicles...at least 
lately.

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[EVDL] Tesla Chat concerning a model Y purchase concern. Didn't go well.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

Here is my Chat with a Tesla expert. Did I do something wrong or was the Tesla 
employee rude...or something else? Lawrence Rhodes
Please connect me with a Tesla expert.
We are connecting you to an agent. The next agent will be available in 1 minute

Successfully reconnected

An agent has joined the chat

Welcome to Tesla. How can I help you?

Which Model Y has LFP or Manganese batteries?

Hi Lawrence!

Thank you for chatting in today. My name is Marvie, and I’m your chat advisor. 
I hope you’re having an electric day!

yes

Will incentives be stable on the Y till next year?

Which Model Y has LFP or Manganese batteries?

We expect them to be reduced.

At Tesla, we prioritize delivering high-quality vehicles that meet our 
customer's needs and exceed their expectations. While we don't typically 
disclose detailed battery specifications, we can assure you that every Tesla 
Model is equipped with top-of-the-line technology and designed to provide 
exceptional performance and efficiency.

Reduced when?

I knew which batteries my III came with. Wouldn't have bought it unless I knew. 
Disclosing battery type is not detailed information.

We all know LFP batteries come on the sub 3oo mile range vehicles...at least 
lately.

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[EVDL] Model Y cheaper in Corte Madera. Why?

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

Finance Options
California, 94110Financing selection and terms will be confirmed after 
orderCashLeaseLoanInclude Est. Taxes and Fees
| Vehicle Price | $44,880 |
| Federal Tax Credit1 | -$7,500 |
| Est. 3-year gas savings | -$3,600 |
| Price after probable savings | $33,780 |
| Destination fee | $1,390 |


Taxes and fees listed are estimates only, subject to change, and may not be 
accurate to you, depending on factors like your registration location. Your 
applicable taxes and fees will be confirmed for you closer to time of delivery.
1Customers who take delivery of a qualified new Tesla and meet all federal 
requirements are eligible for a tax credit up to $7,500. Reductions likely 
after Dec 31.
Adjusted Gross Income Limitations
   
   - $300,000 for married couples filing jointly
   - $225,000 for heads of households
   - $150,000 for all other filers

Price Caps
The vehicle MSRP at time of delivery must not exceed the following caps. This 
price includes optional equipment physically attached to the vehicle at the 
time of delivery and excludes software features, accessories, taxes and fees.   
   - Model 3: $55,000
   - Model Y: $80,000
   - Model X: $80,000
Learn MoreYour eligibility for any tax credits depends on your personal tax 
situation. We recommend speaking with a tax professional for guidance. This is 
3k cheaper than our model 3 last December. Lawrence Rhodes

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Re: [EVDL] EV charging is changing

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 

On Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 04:18:24 PM PDT, Lawrence Rhodes 
 wrote:  
 
  Level 2 charging is trivial and inexpensive if you have a 240 outlet close to 
your vehicle. A Tesla portable EVSE is $230. j1772 adapter from Tesla is 
$60.00. This setup will connect most EVs to the grid. Lawrence Rhodes   
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[EVDL] EV charging is changing

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 Level 2 charging is trivial and inexpensive if you have a 240 outlet close to 
your vehicle. A Tesla portable EVSE is $230. j1772 adapter from Tesla is 
$60.00. This setup will connect most EVs to the grid. Lawrence Rhodes 
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[EVDL] Vinfast according to the Electric Viking

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

https://youtu.be/saSgm3Fnfbs I wouldn't invest. However there is a lot of money 
behind Vinfast. Maybe it has a chance. Lawrence Rhodes 
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[EVDL] GM makes a uturn on Bolt production

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

https://www.teslarati.com/chevrolet-bolt-ev-euv-comeback/ Probably a good 
idea.The Bolt I used was almost as capable as my Tesla. Lawrence Rhodes 
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[EVDL] Pause at beginning of video to see Cyber truck frame in white.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

https://youtu.be/ZGrUZFgYvxw?t=44 It appears everything is tied to the cabin 
with substantial metal.  No pass through I can see.  Lawrence Rhodes



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[EVDL] Home built solar vehicle

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

Home built solar vehicle, step by step video. Cyber ish.  
https://youtu.be/HmdzCsikL5U Lawrence Rhodes


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Re: [EVDL] EV Grin doubled, next level PV Aptera grins.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 Sat, 08 Jul 2023 20:13:37 +0200
From: "EV List Lackey" 
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Grin doubled, next level PV Aptera grins.
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I'm not an expert or engineer, but I suspect that we're about at the stage
where it would be possible to build an EV capable of a few dozen miles of
daily travel, using solely sunlight from its own PV. 

It might even be a bit more civilized and comfortable than the solar
challenge racers.  In fact, a few such prototypes have been built.

The question is, could you afford it?  High efficiency PV is *expensive* and
is apt to be for quite a while yet. 
We are well beyond dozens of miles and only a millionaire can afford one.The 
World Solar Challenge has a number of different classes. The Cruiser Class is 
dedicated to practical solar vehicles. In the last race before the pandemic 
they had a vehicle that seated 5. Could cruise at 45mph indefinitely and over 
two days covered 1,200 miles. The cells were off the shelf Sunpower cells with 
special encapsulation. Cost was $5,000.00. The hub motors were $10k each. They 
used two. If you dumbed it down and used scooter parts, I bet you could get a 
few hundred miles out of a home built with a cost that is affordable. The 
materials are here. All one must do is bolt them together. Lawrence Rhodes 
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Re: [EVDL] EV Grin doubled, next level PV Aptera grins.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 From: Ryan FulcherI'm looking forward to being finally proven wrong about the 
practicality of
PV on your EV when the Aptera starts being delivered...

   For a decade the Eindhoven Solar team has 4 cars win the World Solar 
Challenge and an RV for proof of concept that solar vehicles work. However the 
Aptera is not properly shaped to place a 1.5kw solar panel anywhere. The trick 
is to have have your aerodynamics in side view. The squished tadpole design 
gives a large flat surface on top for lots of panels. The Aptera is a great 
stand alone EV, however not my idea of a solar design. Solar vehicles must be 
engineered from the ground up. Solar panels on the Aptera are an afterthought.  
I am not talking about the rolling Ping-Pong tables you may have seen. Actual 5 
passenger vehicles with a trunk. We now have the materials to make the 
engineering work.  Lawrence Rhodes solarteameindhoven.nl
  
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[EVDL] Tesla model 3 battery pack info

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 Tesla low end packs are LFP starting in late 2022. These packs are of less 
capacity but the ability to hold more and less charge with little degredation. 
I feel this is a pack that will outlive the vehicle. Tesla does change 
iterations of their vehicles frequently. https://youtu.be/tisepKme_nA 
https://youtu.be/pmpS74fgZgk Lawrence Rhodes 
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[EVDL] Magic Dock

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 https://evadept.com/tesla-supercharger-to-ccs-adapter-guide/ Sorry for the 
confusion. Here is what is designed to work at Superchargers for CCS vehicles. 
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Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 128, Issue 17

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 
Chargerman CCS Combo 2 to US Tesla Dual(DC+AC) Adapter - Black
Last item available

Condition:NewNewQuantity:Last One / 4 soldPrice:US $229.00They are lying? LR
On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 06:33:31 PM PDT, (-Phil-) 
 wrote:  
 
 No, there is no adapter that will allow existing superchargers to charge a CCS 
car, and if there ever was it would be illegal and shutdown instantly by Tesla 
legal as it would have to be spoofing a Tesla VIN and thus not paying for the 
charge.
I feel like a broken record at this point, as I've said it several times 
already, but my predictions are: 1. Tesla will only allow access for other 
vehicles on V4 superchargers.  2. The network will become substantially less 
reliable for non-Tesla cars.  3. The rollout will be slow, it's  not going to 
be overnight all superchargers with just an adapter.
I've already explained the technical reasons I am asserting this.
I've also warned about using Tesla destination chargers, as some are hooked to 
1 leg of 480 3-phase wye, which is 277V nominal which most EVs will not 
tolerate.   For example, a Leaf will blow it's on-board charger.   Teslas are 
rated up to 300VAC.  Most others top out at 264VAC.  There is no good way to 
tell before you plug your non-Tesla EV in and there's smoke and you are stuck!


( Pic: http://ingineerix.com/pic/?tesla-wc-277v )

On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 5:53 PM Lawrence Rhodes via EV  
wrote:

 It seems to me if there is an adapter available for purchase, that would 
qualify Tesla Superchargers. I bought a Tesla Tap to take advantage of Tesla 
destination EVSE. CCS drivers could buy this and have ac or dc charging. 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/35483570?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20201210111314%26meid%3Dc1ad667158b04eb79d33fda7ba7b28ee%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D354835758942%26itm%3D35483570%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv11WebTrimmedV3MskuWithLambda85KnnRecallV1V4V6ItemNrtInQueryAndCassiniVisualRankerAndBertRecall&_trksid=p2047675.c101195.m1851=cksum%3A35483570c1ad667158b04eb79d33fda7ba7b28ee%7Cenc%3AAQAIAAABQA2rugFlOq3qu1cLac%252F%252Fk6Vp0Oa0HaJIqoXKeIiOR%252BTUgsSvHaeyPxKYu6UqHqq7GaGyKVqHQnjeiiXcQpMGw2t3aB%252BssGfjtIWOBj8wExc7oYYP7xGMyQCrHDyDaSaWjB1CueI3A94n0yxXX5dx5gAU%252FT8Fo%252BhA4uBFp%252BOwvsmjMx9svf4%252B372fK2%252Fh1O6bxu3XXlcPikVngfjzVkKfN1lwJYO4DTP0c6sUG2XIHT8T1ZF%252FFEudHDvVkzR0g73ogbAWksoGWUYhm1zt%252F0G2dL4hl8V2wSq543sodOojwXnCYuf2c0C%252BJa530Edy9yIdIlvH1BMdtvgdl0yCCGVp1bdez1hD%252B03XGIvFqhUw2JkLeMVSMa7keDCDqXE%252Fwk3cmo52x29a4WsrQlzr%252Bcj8UmaXoa3muZU2BSJ5pn%252BqeS9u%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2047675
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Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 128, Issue 17

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 It seems to me if there is an adapter available for purchase, that would 
qualify Tesla Superchargers. I bought a Tesla Tap to take advantage of Tesla 
destination EVSE. CCS drivers could buy this and have ac or dc charging. 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/35483570?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20201210111314%26meid%3Dc1ad667158b04eb79d33fda7ba7b28ee%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D354835758942%26itm%3D35483570%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv11WebTrimmedV3MskuWithLambda85KnnRecallV1V4V6ItemNrtInQueryAndCassiniVisualRankerAndBertRecall&_trksid=p2047675.c101195.m1851=cksum%3A35483570c1ad667158b04eb79d33fda7ba7b28ee%7Cenc%3AAQAIAAABQA2rugFlOq3qu1cLac%252F%252Fk6Vp0Oa0HaJIqoXKeIiOR%252BTUgsSvHaeyPxKYu6UqHqq7GaGyKVqHQnjeiiXcQpMGw2t3aB%252BssGfjtIWOBj8wExc7oYYP7xGMyQCrHDyDaSaWjB1CueI3A94n0yxXX5dx5gAU%252FT8Fo%252BhA4uBFp%252BOwvsmjMx9svf4%252B372fK2%252Fh1O6bxu3XXlcPikVngfjzVkKfN1lwJYO4DTP0c6sUG2XIHT8T1ZF%252FFEudHDvVkzR0g73ogbAWksoGWUYhm1zt%252F0G2dL4hl8V2wSq543sodOojwXnCYuf2c0C%252BJa530Edy9yIdIlvH1BMdtvgdl0yCCGVp1bdez1hD%252B03XGIvFqhUw2JkLeMVSMa7keDCDqXE%252Fwk3cmo52x29a4WsrQlzr%252Bcj8UmaXoa3muZU2BSJ5pn%252BqeS9u%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2047675
 LR
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Today's Topics:

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      dollars for chargers (EV@TucsonEV)
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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 10:19:17 -0700
From: "EV@TucsonEV" 
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" 
Subject: [EVDL] White House welcomes Tesla to take advantage of
    federal dollars for chargers
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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/white-house-says-tesla-chargers-available-feder
al-dollars-long-they-include-ccs-2023-06-09/

 

I don't know how many of you caught this Reuters article, it seems that Tesla
Superchargers are great for America as long as they include the U.S. charging
standard connection, CCS, as well.

 

Looks like the CCS consortium still has a great deal of influence of political
influence.

 

Best regards,

 

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On 6/20/23 13:19, EV@TucsonEV via EV wrote:
> https://www.reuters.com/world/us/white-house-says-tesla-chargers-available-feder
> al-dollars-long-they-include-ccs-2023-06-09/
> 
>  
> 
> I don't know how many of you caught this Reuters article, it seems that Tesla
> Superchargers are great for America as long as they include the U.S. charging
> standard connection, CCS, as well.
> 
>  
> 
> Looks like the CCS consortium still has a great deal of influence of political
> influence.
> 
>  

My understanding is that the J1772 plug/standard and CSS standards are 
the "official" standards for the United States, developed by SAE with 
wide-spread industry participation, so I would expect them to be 
officially supported by any governmental subsidies, tax incentives, etc.

  https://www.sae.org/standards/content/j1772_201710/


It's fine for TESLA to market and promote a competing standard, but the 
government usually follows the guidance of the national academies, and 
large scale industry standards associations as opposed to those provided 
by a single company.

So I would expect the SAE and other national standards groups to have 
more influence than any single company, as they typically represent a 
broad swath of the 

Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE ((-Phil-))

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 Flex tape
On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 09:36:06 PM PDT, (-Phil-)  
wrote:  
 
 I actually did that on a few of the older 40A units, but then the 
weather-tightness is no longer.  The 32A units seem to be of lesser quality, 
and they fail more easily.
They use a much smaller gauge wire for the signals, so those tend to be under 
more stress than the adjoining heavy ones.

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 5:27 PM Lawrence Rhodes  
wrote:

 I take it, not economically fixable. LR I would slit the cable lengthwise and 
try to patchmight be a fools errand...
On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 04:03:39 PM PDT, (-Phil-)  
wrote:  
 
 Tesla mobile connectors that stopped working outside of warranty.

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 3:59 PM Lawrence Rhodes  
wrote:

 I've got a pile of them here where the pilot wire failed in the cable not
far from the handle. 
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Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE ((-Phil-))

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 I take it, not economically fixable. LR I would slit the cable lengthwise and 
try to patchmight be a fools errand...
On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 04:03:39 PM PDT, (-Phil-)  
wrote:  
 
 Tesla mobile connectors that stopped working outside of warranty.

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 3:59 PM Lawrence Rhodes  
wrote:

 I've got a pile of them here where the pilot wire failed in the cable not
far from the handle. 
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Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE ((-Phil-))

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 I've got a pile of them here where the pilot wire failed in the cable not
far from the handle. 
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Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 Thanks for pointing out my error Rush. However, 7.4 kw is pretty standard. 
Still a good value. I have both EVs. Doesn't matter to me. I base my choice 
ultimately on price. It's just a contactor with a couple of circuits. DIY kits 
are $300. The Tesla Mobile is a bargain. Seems like a no-brainer. Another 
however, I looked at your site and you're selling a 40 amp portable for $315 
including shipping in the lower 48. That looks like an option if you want a 
little more headroom. Lawrence Rhodes 
On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 08:39:04 PM PDT, EV@TucsonEV 
 wrote:  
 
 Lawrence - the current Tesla Mobile Connector (UMC GEN 2) 
https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/mobile-connector
Is only 32A capable. Scroll down to where "Charge rates for optional adapters" 
starts and you'll see -

"NEMA 6-50
240 volt / 50 amp breaker
Maximum 32 amp output
Buy adapter for Gen 2 Mobile Connector"

The UMC Gen 1 was 40A capable.

Best regards,

Rush Dougherty
TucsonEV
www.TucsonEV.com




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>  There are a couple of reasons I recommend the $230 Tesla EVSE. It is 50 
>amps. 
> It is
> portable. Comes with 14-50 and 120vac. There's a wide array of adapters for 
> different
> sockets. I have never had a failure except by my own incompetence, not 
> tightening a
> connection enough. So for $300 ish you have a powerful (12KW) and reliable 
> EVSE.
> We have a Tesla and a Leaf. I have used adapters. (Tesla Tap) Tesla includes 
> a 
> J1772.
> Not a problem. They swing both ways.The price is right and there's no reason 
> to
> permanently install any EVSE. From my experience Tesla doesn't make crap. I 
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> been using a converted Avcon for Ten years. Converted three. Two still 
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Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE

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 There are a couple of reasons I recommend the $230 Tesla EVSE. It is 50 amps. 
It is portable. Comes with 14-50 and 120vac. There's a wide array of adapters 
for different sockets. I have never had a failure except by my own 
incompetence, not tightening a connection enough. So for $300 ish you have a 
powerful (12KW) and reliable EVSE. We have a Tesla and a Leaf. I have used 
adapters. (Tesla Tap) Tesla includes a J1772. Not a problem. They swing both 
ways.The price is right and there's no reason to permanently install any EVSE. 
From my experience Tesla doesn't make crap. I have been using a converted Avcon 
for Ten years. Converted three. Two still working. Lawrence Rhodes 
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Re: [EVDL] need new home ESVE

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 I would recommend the NACS(Tesla mobile adapter). $230. I have seen NACS to 
J1772 for $69(60amp). Most robust hardware you can buy. Hard to beat the price. 
Comes with 14-50 plug. Lawrence Rhodes 
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[EVDL] I95 freeway collapse outlines the hidden costs of fossil fuels

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https://www.motor1.com/news/671530/i95-freeway-collapses-in-philly/ Not only 
are fossil fuels disappearing faster than predicted, environmental, 
transportation and sectors you wouldn't think would be affected are affected. 
The stranded assets out there are massive. This one accident is not an 
outlayer. This has also happened in tunnels. Didn't your mother tell you not to 
play with fire? They still say drill baby drill. Madness. With all these 
disasters I hope some bean counter will make the point it's not worth it. 
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla's reputation takes a hit

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 Out of more than 100 models, the Tesla Model Y is the highest-scoring car 
tested by Euro NCAP since 2020, when it introduced the latest testing criteria. 
It gained a total score of 364 out of 400, putting it more than 10 marks ahead 
of other top- performing models such as the Smart #1 and Mercedes EQE. This the 
most important feature of Tesla vehicles. Polls change due to reality. People 
are slow to catch on. Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] Why Toyota Isn't Rushing to Sell You an Electric

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 They seem to want to go bankrupt. Their resistance to battery EVs is 
irresponsible. It is a matter of time. They can catch up  but it will take 
time. Their hydrogen side track is not helping. Lawrence Rhodes 
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[EVDL] The EV Transition Explained by IEEE expert Robert N. “Bob” Charette . 12 chapters

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 https://spectrum.ieee.org/collections/the-ev-transition-explained/#toggle-gdpr 
This is a deep dive, explaining many of the challenges. and some opinion on the 
electric revolution. Lawrence Rhodes
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[EVDL] A123 battery charger

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 I have some left over A123 Systems ANR2665M1A cells. I would like to use a few 
to power some flashlights. What charger works with these cells? Seems the 
specifications call for a different voltage than 18650s due to iron chemistry. 
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[EVDL] China fires back and Tesla returns fire.

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 I wouldn't worry about rare earth elements in Tesla motors. No need. All other 
motor makers will follow suit. 
https://electrek.co/2023/03/01/tesla-is-going-back-to-ev-motors-with-no-rare-earth-elements/
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Re: [EVDL] Motley Fool issues all in advisory for Tesla

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 True, however the converted larger plant is not as productive. It's not all 
the workers. It's the compromise Tesla made to get the plant on the cheap. They 
paid later in reduced productivity. Lawrence Rhodes
On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 09:29:47 PM PDT, (-Phil-)  
wrote:  
 
 Sadly, I think the Chinese are much better workers.  The quality in the 
Chinese plant is also much higher.
The Chinese plant also benefits from 8 years of manufacturing knowledge.

On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 7:02 PM Lawrence Rhodes  
wrote:

 Here is the problem. Fremont is bigger than the Chinese plant and produces 
much less. Lawrence Rhodes 
On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 03:20:58 PM PDT, (-Phil-)  
wrote:  
 
 And also, let's not forget that Tesla's Fremont plant (the first one) was 
originally a 1961 GM plant, then later GM/Toyota, so not only not made for EVs, 
but originally for 1960's ICE!   Tesla produces the Model S, X, 3 and Y there.

On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 2:47 PM Lee Hart via EV  wrote:

Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
> Most already have small-car factories and/or divisions all over the world,
> so unlike Tesla, they don't need to design and build new ones just to make a
> small EV. One small detail. Very hard to transform ice factory to EV 
> production.
> https://youtu.be/p3SDKhRFHyQ 
Not so fast. His "80% of the factory needs to be re-tooled" is what the 
manufacturers face every time they re-tool for *any* new model, 
regardless of whether it is an ICE or EV.

Lee

-- 
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which has never been. -- Albert Einstein
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Re: [EVDL] Motley Fool issues all in advisory for Tesla

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 Here is the problem. Fremont is bigger than the Chinese plant and produces 
much less. Lawrence Rhodes 
On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 03:20:58 PM PDT, (-Phil-)  
wrote:  
 
 And also, let's not forget that Tesla's Fremont plant (the first one) was 
originally a 1961 GM plant, then later GM/Toyota, so not only not made for EVs, 
but originally for 1960's ICE!   Tesla produces the Model S, X, 3 and Y there.

On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 2:47 PM Lee Hart via EV  wrote:

Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
> Most already have small-car factories and/or divisions all over the world,
> so unlike Tesla, they don't need to design and build new ones just to make a
> small EV. One small detail. Very hard to transform ice factory to EV 
> production.
> https://youtu.be/p3SDKhRFHyQ 
Not so fast. His "80% of the factory needs to be re-tooled" is what the 
manufacturers face every time they re-tool for *any* new model, 
regardless of whether it is an ICE or EV.

Lee

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which has never been. -- Albert Einstein
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Re: [EVDL] Motley Fool issues all in advisory for Tesla

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 Most already have small-car factories and/or divisions all over the world,
so unlike Tesla, they don't need to design and build new ones just to make a
small EV.
One small detail.  Very hard to transform ice factory to EV production. 
https://youtu.be/p3SDKhRFHyQ Lawrence Rhodes 
   
  
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Re: [EVDL] Motley Fool issues all in advisory for Tesla

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Some people will be eating their words when Tesla sells affordable models.Some 
will be saying I told you so. However Ford didn't get rich selling Dusenbergs. 
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[EVDL] Motley Fool issues all in advisory for Tesla

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https://www.fool.com/investing/2023/03/15/bull-market-coming-reasons-to-buy-tesla/
 I don't mention this as stock advice, but as a sign that respected investors 
are recognizing the technology that Tesla uses is beyond anything their Western 
competitors are using and it will take a decade for them to catch up if they 
don't go bankrupt first. Safest vehicle, longest lasting/safest batteries for a 
start. Not to mention self driving, sales above GM, Ford, abreast of Toyota and 
profit margin ahead of every manufacturer allowing Tesla to undercut the 
competition. You may not like Elon Musk but his mission to clean up the Earth 
is working despite his negative image. Lawrence Rhodes 
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Re: [EVDL] Greg Morrison slams Tesla

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 Program might be Cross Currents.  
https://www.kalw.org/economy-business-labor/2023-03-08/tesla-faces-major-challenges
 Lawrence Rhodes 
On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:18:36 AM PST, Lawrence Rhodes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Your Call this morning on KALW Greg Morrison made misleading remarks about 
FSD. Lawrence Rhodes   
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[EVDL] Greg Morrison slams Tesla

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On Your Call this morning on KALW Greg Morrison made misleading remarks about 
FSD. Lawrence Rhodes 
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[EVDL] Tesla Mexico plant

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France24 and DW report: 
https://www.dw.com/en/new-tesla-factory-to-open-in-mexico/a-64845922 Lawrence 
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[EVDL] You have to let Google know you drive electric.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

Even with advanced AI and timeline, which borders on invasion of privacy, 
Google thinks I am only 15% low emissions. If you care, below is how to change 
your settings to reflect reality. Lawrence Rhodes 







How to use eco-friendly routing

Important: Energy-efficient routes for electric vehicles (EVs) don’t include 
stops to charge.

In the Google Maps app
   
   - On your mobile device, open the Google Maps app .
   - Tap your Profile picture or initial   Settings   Navigation settings.
   - Scroll to "Route options."  
  - To turn eco-friendly routing on or off, tap Prefer fuel-efficient 
routes.
  - To choose your engine type, tap Engine type. Select your engine type  
tap Done.


After getting directions
   
   - On your mobile device, open the Google Maps app .
   - Search for your destination or tap it on the map.
   - In the bottom left, tap Directions.
   - In the bottom bar, swipe up.
   - Tap Change engine type.
   - Select your engine type  tap Done.

Choose your engine type

Choose the option you use the most:
   
   - If you drive a vehicle with an internal combustion engine, choose Gas or 
Diesel.
   - If you drive a hybrid or a plug-in hybrid that mostly runs using fuel, 
choose Hybrid.
   - If you drive an EV or a plug-in hybrid that mostly runs on electricity, 
choose Electric. 
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Re: [EVDL] Leaf heat no go.

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 This is a 2016 Leaf S. Lawrence Rhodes 
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[EVDL] $1, 000, 000 grant to install 20 fast chargers in ten locations in the central valley of California

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 Sponsored by the San Joaquin Valley Air Pollution Control Districtin 
cooperation with EV Connect and Clean Tech. The 10 locations are spread between 
Lodi and Bakersfield.
LodiStockton, LathropSalida, ModestoOakdaleOakhurstChowchillaMaderaTulareDelano 
(signed contract)BakersfieldThese are the target areas. Nine spots open. 208vac 
3 phase needed. Minimum of two parking spaces adjacent to power source 
required. Hotels were the preferred locations but fast charging is not what 
hotel management wants. Strip malls seem a better choice. Anybody knowing of 
friendly locations please share. No cost to host entity? After grant period 
equipment reverts to host. EV Connect/Clean Tech/San Joaquin Valley Air 
Pollution Control District pays  all expenses. Host shares in profit from 
selling electricity. Businesses with fast turn around will benefit from 
customer attraction from EV drivers. Lawrence Rhodes   
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[EVDL] Leaf heat no go.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 AC and defrost works but no heat is coming out. Should I start looking at 
fuses? I have an OBD dongle. Will the problem be detected by it? Lawrence 
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[EVDL] Configured a Tesla Y. Missed incentives by $600

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Maybe I did something wrong or misunderstood the rules. What is base price vs. 
true cost. How do you determine that? Which is qualifying? Lawrence Rhodes 
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla slashes its car prices as much as 20% to prop up sagging sales, where?s the $30K EV? A Chevy Bolt?

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2023 22:15:39 +0100
From: "EV List Lackey"  : wrote:



I keep hearing that Tesla might introduce a smaller, cheaper EV.  That would
open up EVs to a wider range of drivers, but would also cut into their
profits.  It'll be interesting to see which of those is more important to
them, or rather to Musk.

> And those other EV's aren't being produced in enough volume to be much
> competition either. 

>No offense, but that strikes me as a rather US-centric statement.  I assure
>you that in Europe, the traditional automakers are serious about building
>and selling EVs - in Europe.

>They seem less concerned about the US, probably because they need all they
>can make for the EU.  Another possible reason is that they foresee likely
>future US political trends that will favor ICEVs and disfavor EVs. 

>David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey

If you look at history you will see selling a lot at low prices works. At least 
it did for Henry Ford. Don't forget,Tesla controls a lot of battery 
manufacturing. The have the batteries. Everyone else doesn't. Their cars are 
efficient and need less batteries. Do the math. Lawrence Rhodes 
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla slashes its car prices as much as 20% to prop up sagging sales, where?s the $30K EV? A Chevy Bolt?

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 Tesla is reducing prices to crush the competition. The competition which is 
inferior and slightly less in price. In my opinion mostly bad choices. VW ID4 
is the prime example. Software bugs and inferior performance. EUV and Bolt are 
much better. Tesla is still making money on the reduced price vehicles. Ford 
seems to be making money. GM not so sure. All the rest may be bankrupt. 
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Re: [EVDL] Happy holidays!

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 The disruptive affordable vehicle will probably be the $25k Tesla. Lawrence 
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[EVDL] 24 kwh Leaf emergency trip to Portland from San Francisco

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My Son had his flight to Portland, OR canceled Friday. He made it to Christmas 
dinner there around 5PM Today after leaving early Saturday morning.  36 hour 
trip. We gifted him the car but his Mother,  who is a car camper, was supposed 
to ferry the car up to Portland next week but circumstances forced this newbie 
long range hyper miller into action. I had fashioned a sleeping rack in the 
back using plywood siding and a plastic milk crate for foot support, which his 
Mother uses to sleep. I gave him advice on the two ball system and trying for 
5-6 miles per kwh in the instant scale. He has driven the car around San 
Francisco,  But never a road trip. He has never used CHADEMO. A car Tesla 
thought was worth only $1,000.00 proved it's worth. Newbie driving over 700 
miles up the 101 Freeway in cold conditions.  Might this be a world record? I 
am proud of my son.. but he did get a free car out of it. I got a Tesla. 
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Re: [EVDL] EV cold weather range

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 I have a 2016 Leaf with 8 bars left. Driving slowly I made it 94 miles over 
three hills to Modesto. The highest 1,000 feet. Altamonte. This the i580 route 
from San Francisco. It was in the 50's in San Francisco and 42° in Modesto when 
I got there with 14 miles range left. I average 5 miles per kWh hyper milling. 
I do much better in the Summer.
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

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 I listen to: Now you know, E for electric, Electric Viking, Best in Tesla and 
Sandy Munroe. All easily accessible on YouTube.  Where do you get your 
information? Or should I say attitude. EVs will be 50% of car sales by 2025. 
70% by 2027. Our dreams are happening faster than anyone would have guessed a 
few years ago. People are not stupid. Solar panels and EVs means independence 
from big oil. Every day EVs are delayed it is 10 billion in the pockets of big 
oil. Just look at the numbers. Not hard to do. Tesla is selling more than the 
Accord and Civic and soon will overtake Camry and Corolla. 
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g39628015/best-selling-cars-2022/ If Toyota 
doesn't drop Hydrogen and hybrids they are doomed. Lawrence Rhodes 
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

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 That's why I think that despite strong (but declining) Tesla sales, Renault,
Stellantis, and VW will eventually clean Tesla's clock in Europe.? They
actually build EVs for normal people - and normal, middle-income Europoeans
are buying them.? And despite what all y'all may think, I'm still convinced
that the future success of EVs is mostly in the EU and China, not here in
the US.

David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey
You couldn't be more wrong. Tesla is so far ahead it will be only BYD that can 
catch them. GM and Ford maybe Stellates, Honda and Toyota will eventually go 
belly up.  Mazda is doomed. Subaru also doomed. Hyundai/Kia maybe. When the 25k 
Tesla comes out it will be the knife twist to the gut. Tesla is making more 
money selling electric cars than any other car maker making ICE vehicles. Their 
profit per car is remarkable. https://youtu.be/arYz-aK6lM8 
https://youtu.be/KngBPRfeJd0 Lawrence Rhodes

   
  
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[EVDL] Rant all you want, Tesla is best. Ignore Musk.

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 To all that will buy a Chevy Bolt or other EV, including conversations, and 
not Tesla because of Musk...talk to you in 5 years. Just bought a base Tesla. 
$725 for 6 years. $4,500 down. I am betting I will do better. I have driven the 
ungraded Bolt. Not bad for the money but Chevy just raised prices for January 
1st. 300,000 are waiting for a Model III. I took the sure $3,750 over a maybe 
$7,500 incentive and possibly Tesla raising prices to the $55,000 limit, not to 
mention interest rates are going up. Lawrence Rhodes 
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

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 Seems cutting off your nose to spite your face applies. Lawrence Rhodes 
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 08:21:54 AM PST, Willie McKemie 
 wrote:  
 
 Yes, hate for Musk seems to dominate. Here and elsewhere. Despite his obvious 
skills and MANY successes. I am confounded.
On Sat, Dec 17, 2022, 10:11 Lawrence Rhodes via EV  wrote:

 Somewhere painful? CCS would be more painful there. After using all three 
standards, Tesla is clearly superior and probably easier for conversions. That 
said, hate for Musk causes people to buy $100k Mercedes rather than a clearly 
superior Model S or Y. Lawrence Rhodes 
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

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 Too little too late.  Now Tesla is going to have to add the clunky CCS
connectors to its network at considerable expense.
I use a Tesla tap. Tesla has a CHAdeMO adapter.  Tesla could just require an 
adapter,  purchased at user expense, to access Superchargers.  Shoudn't cost 
more than $250. Lawrence Rhodes 
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

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 Somewhere painful? CCS would be more painful there. After using all three 
standards, Tesla is clearly superior and probably easier for conversions. That 
said, hate for Musk causes people to buy $100k Mercedes rather than a clearly 
superior Model S or Y. Lawrence Rhodes 
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Re: [EVDL] Goodbye old friend.

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Lawrence Rhodes 415-286-845sixûy
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[EVDL] Goodbye old friend.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

Getting a Tesla today.  
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid015DNVhN5YNaWoWgNYqTFnyrb1PpWzuozkdbAZADwH5cRubkQN5qYssmFF985haFNl=1274199338=mo=6aamW6
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Re: [EVDL] Loud boom.! Ford F150 bricked at Electrify AMERICA

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 Maybe physical connections need regular maintenance. Retorquing connections 
possibly. Lawrence Rhodes 
On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 07:03:28 AM PST, Peter Eckhoff 
 wrote:  
 
 I found this link yesterday (Sandy Munro's channel):
https://youtu.be/tDp9PhPJhUI

It shows what can happen with a Level 2 installation and voices
concerns for the need for better standards of home installations of
EVSEs.  The insides of a junction box literally melted.  Followed by a
show and tell and then discussions on products and the call for safety
standards and a suggestion on wiring a breaker panel.

Not being an electrician or EE, I thought this is a place to maybe
make us aware of the situation and thoughts of what we can do about
it.


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[EVDL] Loud boom.! Ford F150 bricked at Electrify AMERICA

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https://www.carscoops.com/2022/11/ford-f-150-lighting-evidently-bricked-while-charging-at-electrify-america-station/amp/
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[EVDL] Leaf. 80% charge setting.

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 We have two Leafs..The 2013 will charge to 80%. The newer 2016 does not have 
the setting. Can it be added somehow? Lawrence Rhodes 
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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: the grid needs upgrading - fast (EV List Lackey)
  2. Re: the grid needs upgrading - fast (j...@k6ccc.org)
  3. leaf 2013 battery (Lawrence Rhodes)
  4. Re: leaf 2013 battery (Peri Hartman)
  5. Re: leaf 2013 battery (Jay Summet)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 17:19:08 -0500
From: "EV List Lackey" 
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] the grid needs upgrading - fast
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Good luck with that.  Most of our "investor owned" utilities don't have a 
good track record of even keeping up with current maintenance, much less 
actually planning for the future.  Unless they can see a return from it this 
quarter, they won't pay for it.  If you want to see where that kind of short-
sightedness leads, have a look at Puerto Rico's grid.

David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey

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Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 17:05:47 -0800 (PST)
From: "j...@k6ccc.org" 
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David said:
> Good luck with that.  Most of our "investor owned" utilities don't have a 
> good track record of even keeping up with current maintenance, much less 
> actually planning for the future.

For the most part, at least here in California, the investor owned utilities 
largely are not allowed to plan (or more accurately to spend) for the future.  
In really short summary, the concept is that rate payers today should not have 
to pay for future projects.  That is an insanely simple explanation of a very 
complex process, but it's a fairly accurate summary.

As I understand it, most other states are at least similar.


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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 01:17:17 + (UTC)
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Subject: [EVDL] leaf 2013 battery
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As far as I know the 2013 has the lizard battery.? Lawrence Rhodes
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That's what I've read, too, but I sure would like a definitive way to 
know.

This guy, LeftieBiker, wrote quite a lot, might be worth reading:
https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=57=26662

Peri

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[EVDL] leaf 2013 battery

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As far as I know the 2013 has the lizard battery.  Lawrence Rhodes
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[EVDL] Coda EV. Rolling glider available in San Jose

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

Very clean example. One of ten used for promotion.  Contact me for details.  
Lawrence Rhodes 
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[EVDL] Ev system warning light

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

I was using a Bolt else.  It was very hot. The light is off after driving five 
miles and restarting and reopening the port and blowing in the open port. Over 
heating caused by mis matching  ease? I went from 50 miles to 89 miles in an 
hour.  Lawrence Rhodes  24 kw Leaf with degraded pack.  Before plugging in I 
went53 miles and had 53 percent left. When it tripped I had 89% about an hour 
of charging. I average 5 miles per kwh
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[EVDL] Tyie/Tire Extinguishers

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

There seems to be a movement in Europe to flatten the tyre/tires of large 
vehicles/SUVs. This is a warning to owners and beseechment to those who would 
do these acts that It causes more pollution and will lead to violence. 50,000 
SUVs are reported damaged in Europe.  Please let the natural order and 
economics allow these vehicles to be decommissioned and recycled peacefully. . 
Source France 24. Lawrence Rhodes 
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[EVDL] 25kw CHADEMO available

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

208vac three phase 25kw units from EVRUS network being taken out of service, 
now available at bargain prices. Grant funding discontinued. Contact me for 
contact information. These are units we put in several years ago. The network 
is being discontinued but the units still function. Original cost was in the 
$10k range. Asian built and German software. Only about 10 minutes slower than 
a 50kw CHADEMO. Lawrence Rhodes
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[EVDL] Free Tesla semi in California

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

https://youtu.be/AxvFCgHqByY $120k from California. $40k from the feds. Cool 
way to pull around your toy hauler. Lawrence Rhodes 
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[EVDL] Manchin agrees to climate bill

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

https://www.thewellnews.com/political-news/in-a-stunner-manchin-schumer-strike-deal-on-climate-tax-package/
 wondering what EV incentives there are, if any? Lawrence Rhodes 
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Re: [EVDL] no more "iced" chargers ?

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Re: no more "iced" chargers ?
Message: 1
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 14:01:32 + (UTC)
From: paul dove 


"Overall, I'd rate this idea right up there with solar-powered cars 
and hydrogen-filled dirigibles."

Since there are functional solar vehicles with 600 to 1,200 miles range, that 
seat 5 and have a trunk, please don't use solar vehicles as a way to mock 
something that is actually stupid. Lawrence Rhodes solarteameindhoven.nl
  
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[EVDL] 1000 x solar break through.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 If true, it's the end of fossil fuels. Lawrence Rhodes 
https://www.mining.com/recent-discovery-may-give-solar-cells-a-thousand-times-more-power/
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[EVDL] First electric flight 8 kilometers. 1884

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

Seems amazing, but not really. A steam powered airship flew in 1852. 
https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/9-august-1884/ Lawrence Rhodes
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[EVDL] Cor's Tesla...Fast charging?

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

Your Tesla won't Supercharge but will it fast charge at an EVGO station with a 
Tesla adapter or will the CHADEMO Tesla adapter work?. That might be a work 
around. I don't think EVGO cooperates with Tesla. Unless Tesla turned of your 
car which would be illegal. What would be in their power is to block you at 
their superchargers.  Curious minds want to know. Lawrence Rhodes
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[EVDL] Leaf design flaw. Reverse light. Fix.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 My 2016 Leaf reverse light module was rattling every time I closed the trunk. 
In manipulation it moves quite a bit. At first I couldn't figure out how to 
tighten it. Then in the reflection of the window I saw the head of the screw. 
It is under the ledge that is the reverse light module. Maybe an inch and a 
half from the window. I think it is Phillips. Yours may vary.  I got my mini 
adjustable wrench and a one inch bit and eventually tightened it up. Very tight 
space. Mini vice grips would work better. Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] Why people dislike Tesla

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

I think the truth is nobody here can make an EV as reliable or as cheaply than 
the lowly Nissan Leaf. 107 Miles range and under 14k in 2016 as the Chevy Bolt 
came out. I got the last one on the lot and didn't care weather it had the 
color I wanted. It had cruise control, heated seats and air conditioning. It 
also had CHADEMO for fast charging. Also nobody here can make a car as safe and 
a Model S. Lets face it. Unless you have a very cute or practical vehicle, that 
is yet to be made by the OEMs, there is no reason to convert anything. I do 
want a van or pickup. Has anyone here adapted CCS or CHADEMO to their 
conversion?  Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] Regen with mid-drive on electric pedal bicycles

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 Vextric had a throttle that reversed. Forward motion gave Regen. Very natural 
feel. Lawrence Rhodes
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