Re: [EVDL] '91 BMW 318i conversion to electric

[lektwik via EV]

>Nice to hear from you again, Roy!

You too David :-)

>I don't recall it being *quite* that bad.  IIRC, you could usually get
40-50
miles of range with only 1/3 of the vehicle weight in lead.   :-\

On a 75 degree day on level ground maybe. Drop temperature to 50 degrees
and what did you get?

>But I agree with your main point.  Once the Nissan Leaf and Tesla S were
established in the market, the days of EV conversions were numbered.  I can
see the effect in the EV list archive, with gradually declining numbers of
monthly posts starting in mid-2012.

The conversion market is healthy and strong, just completely different.
It's no longer a hobby market. Very few folks are doing it in their garages
at home. Companies like EV West in SoCal have a three or more years waiting
list. Startups that know what they are doing can find folks that will pay
the big bucks for a specialty conversion. It's the market for a cheap.
short range, lead sled that has collapsed, if it ever really existed. IIRC,
we used to say that to make a small fortune in the conversion business,
start with a large fortune :-)

>That said, I think there might still some valid reasons to convert.

I agree with the points you have made, but the original question was more
about "having it done" and not "doing it yourself". My thoughts on the
subject were geared more toward that. Not to beat the point to death but
buying a kit from a company to convert a Rabbit or similar vehicle into a
slow and short range lead sled is ancient history and an unacceptable
option. Just to buy a decent aftermarket BMS system like Orion is a big
expense and not for the fainthearted to try to set up and program.

>I've heard of really clean Citicars going for 5 figures, for example.

Some people will want one of those. Likely more for the cheese wedge
novelty and rarity than anything else. As someone who has driven a few,
even one upgraded to AC drive and lithium, I can't imagine anyone actually
wanting to daily drive one that has ever driven one. I would put them on
the top of the list as one of the ergonomically worst vehicles ever.

BTW, modern EVs are awesome compared to anything done 20 years ago. I've
driven multiple Teslas, a Rivian, and recently a friend got a Lucid Air GT
edition and let me drive it. It was the nicest and best driving car ever.
With 500+ miles of range and 800+ horsepower it's hard to beat. I must be
getting old because I lifted after putting the go pedal only halfway down
on the Lucid :-)


Take Care!
Roy

On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 2:07 PM EV List Lackey via EV 
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> On 27 Apr 2024 at 23:58, lektwik via EV wrote:
>
> > It's been years since I posted here
>
> Nice to hear from you again, Roy!
>
> > good luck telling someone they can only go 50 miles max on a charge now
> > and that 50% of vehicle weight in lead batteries is required to do it.
>
> I don't recall it being *quite* that bad.  IIRC, you could usually get
> 40-50
> miles of range with only 1/3 of the vehicle weight in lead.   :-\
>
> Years ago, Bob Rice wrote here about the Renault-based EFP Mars II that he
> worked on in the late 1960s.  The EV weighed about 4200lb all up, and the
> battery 1900lb.  That's ~45%.  Bob said its real-world range was 95 miles
> at
> highway speeds.
>
> But I agree with your main point.  Once the Nissan Leaf and Tesla S were
> established in the market, the days of EV conversions were numbered.  I
> can
> see the effect in the EV list archive, with gradually declining numbers of
> monthly posts starting in mid-2012.
>
> That said, I think there might still some valid reasons to convert.
>
> - As a technical challenge
>
> - To have an EV you can work on and improve yourself
>
> - To clean up a beloved classic and make it (one hopes) more reliable
>
> - To get a type or style of EV that no manufacturer currently offers, at
> least where you live
>
> > I've been predicting for years that unmolested examples of those early
> > clik-clak DC and lead-acid conversions are the future EV collector's
> > items. They are disappearing quickly.
>
> I think that that's more likely with the early modern production EVs.
> I've
> heard of really clean Citicars going for 5 figures, for example.
>
> But you might be right, and some conversions might appeal to collectors
> someday.
>
> I'm no expert, so don't take that as investment advice - or any other
> kind,
> for that matter.
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Re: [EVDL] '91 BMW 318i conversion to electric

[lektwik via EV]

Howdy Folks

It's been years since I posted here (ever since discussions of drag racing
were banned), but I do still read the EVDL on occasion and credit the folks
here with providing an initial crash course for me on EV technology.

The conversion issue made me want to chime in. The days of inexpensive
lead-acid and DC motor conversions are long gone. I've been around this
industry for 25 years. It's a completely different animal now. There were
no factory EVs available then and folks were forced to accept extremely
limited range (good luck telling someone they can only go 50 miles max on a
charge now and that 50% of vehicle weight in lead batteries is required to
do it).

IMHO, If you want to convert a modern car, your best bet by far is just to
get a factory made EV. You could buy a handful of Nissan Leafs by the time
you pay someone to do a modern vehicle conversion with decent power and
range. Just getting the onboard computerized systems of a modern vehicle to
play nice with a completely foreign drivetrain is a herculean task all by
itself. Plus you are pretty much tied to the person or shop doing the
conversion for maintenance or repair issues into the foreseeable future.

In fact, there is little that's inexpensive or easy about it now compared
to then. The target market for conversions now is classic vehicles from
back in the days of ignition points and carburetors. Like a collector car
that a person would keep for decades.

You need substantial bank to even consider having a nice conversion done
for you. A $100K+ price tag is not unusual, especially using brand new
components and including the cost of the donor vehicle. For that you could
likely find a Rivian, Lucid, or Tesla Plaid. Especially on the used market.
One positive aspect is that used EV components are now available from
wrecked EVs. We didn't have any of that back in the day. It's hard to beat
a Tesla rear drive setup.

It's nice to see folks still involved here that were posting on the EVDL 25
years ago when I first got into EVs. I must say that some of those same
folks are recommending books on EV conversion that are like 25 years out of
date. I personally don't see this as being helpful to those new to EVs that
want to learn how modern ones operate or how to convert one, especially
with an abundance of free and modern info available on YouTube and other
online sources. Wanna learn how to set up an Orion BMS? There are videos on
that.

Please remember that the days of 96 volt VW Rabbit lead slugs are long
gone. Though I've been predicting for years that unmolested examples of
those early clik-clak DC and lead-acid conversions are the future EV
collector's items. They are disappearing quickly.


Roy LeMeur

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> https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/how-volvo-landed-cheap-chinese-ev-us-shores-trade-war-2024-04-24/
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>
> - Original Message -
> From: EV List Lackey via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org
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> Sent: Thu, 25 Apr 2024 21:18:34 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] 91 BMW 318i conversion to electric
>
> On 25 Apr 2024 at 10:48, (-Phil-) via EV wrote:
>
>  In our case, no OEM has stepped up to make a decent van with good
> range
>  thats supremely reliable with a low cost-of-ownership.
>
> So what E-vans DO yall have there?
>
> I dont know about Asia, but there are several choices in Europe,
> most of
> them EPTOs of Diesel vans.
>
> Some listed here:
>
> https://www.drivingelectric.com/best-cars/586/best-electric-vans
>
> Also small, medium, and large vans from Renault.  Theyve just
> updated their
> Kangoo and Master E-Tech vans.  The Master has a 3600 lb payload, and a
> WLTP
> range of 285 miles with the 87 kWh battery.
>
> Most of the EU brands, such as Citroen and Renault, dont have a US
> presence
> that I know of.  However, the Ford E-Transit and the VW ID Buzz Cargo are
> available there, right?
>
> Or is it mostly pickups rather than vans in the US?  (Tradespeople here
> usually drive vans, seldom pickups.)
>
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Re: [EVDL] Troubleshooting a Curtis 1238-6501

[lektwik via EV]

Something changed. Disconnect the FWD/REV related wiring as close to the
controller as possible to eliminate any possibility of error. Check status.
All should be off. Energise each circuit directly as specified in wiring
diagram. This has worked for me. Make a new circuit if necessary. Good Luck!

On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 9:48 PM Ed Thorpe via EV  wrote:

> Does anyone in the list have experience troubleshooting a Curtis ac
> controller?
> Been trying to figure out why an ac converted Dynasty doesn't go with a
> new battery pack. Nothing changed in the control wiring, but on startup
> switches 7 (fwd) and 8 (rev) are on, when the indicator is in neutral
> position. Move to fwd or rev, both are still on, and pressing throttle
> shows response on monitor but cancels out to motor.
> What is wrong, and how to fix?
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [EVDL] TX sez “Electric vehicles are not allowed,”> excuse fire

[lektwik via EV]

Off topic? The only reason I can see that this is off topic for the EVDL is
that it's about electric drag racing and we don't allow talk about that
here.

On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 7:16 PM brucedp5 via EV  wrote:

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>
> The following EVnews link is offt and not allowed for discussion on the
> evdl.org  Please keep evdl.org discussion on-topic.
> The reason I posted it, is their excuse of fire, is unfounded (and they
> know
> it).
> So, again I smell koch-koolaid involved.
>
>
> https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-evs-barred-from-drag-racing-over-fire-concerns/
>  “Electric vehicles are not allowed,”
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Re: [EVDL] (possible but unlikely)> sunlight+Water-Bottle= fire starter

[lektwik via EV]

You bet this can happen. Learned the hard way not to set a crystal ball on
flammable material in direct sunlight.


On Thursday, July 18, 2019, brucedp5 via EV  wrote:

>
>
> http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/warning-
> leaving-bottled-water-in-your-car-could-start-a-fire
> Warning: Leaving bottled water in your car could start a fire
> Jul 18 2019
>
> [image
> https://media.fox2detroit.com/media.fox2detroit.com/photo/
> 2019/07/18/wjbk-water%20in%20hot%20car%20fire-071819_
> 1563465756501.jpg_7531965_ver1.0_1280_720.jpg
>  Plastic Water Bottle
> ]
>
> (FOX 2) - With overbearing heat mounting in SE Michigan, this is a friendly
> reminder that leaving your water bottles in your car on a hot day can start
> a fire inside your car - if the conditions are right.
>
> On a hot, summer day - like we're experiencing right now - a full plastic
> bottle of water can act like a lens, focusing light into a high-energy beam
> that's intense enough to start a fire. Much like holding a magnifying glass
> on a sunny day can start a fire, the filled bottle of water does the same
> thing.
>
> In 2017, a power company in Idaho shared a video of a water bottle burning
> two holes into a seat of a car. A technician was sitting in his truck when
> he noticed his leather seat was starting to smoke.
>
> Sunlight through the disposable water bottle torched the cushion, which  he
> tested with a heat gun. It was 213 degrees Fahrenheit.
>
> But it doesn't have to be just in a car to start a fire. The Midwest City,
> Oklahoma, Fire Department held a bottle of water in front a piece of paper
> and, sure enough, it burned a hole straight through the paper.
>
> If you're driving, no need to worry about that water on the seat next to
> you. The Midwest City Fire Department said, because you're going under
> bridges and passing buildings and the sun is moving, the sunlight's energy
> is not in direct contact with the bottle.
>
> LiveScience.com proved this IS possible just not very likely. According to
> a
> chemist at the Getty Conservation Institute, when sunlight passes through
> the car window, it hits the seat with the same amount of energy as a small
> electric space heater.
>
> When you add the water bottle in, that energy is focused enough that it can
> easily heat up the material to heat the seat up. However, the scientist
> said
> that seats are designed to be fire-retardant and self-extinguishing. thus
> your car seat is more likely just have a burned hole in it than to actually
> catch fire.
>
> So while, yes, it scientifically IS possible for a bottle of water to start
> a fire in your car, it must be lined up perfectly: clear liquid in a round
> bottle placed at just the right angle from the light source and a flammable
> material.
>
> Yes, you technically CAN start a fire with a full bottle of water in your
> car, just don't leave papers, napkins, or anything flammable under it and
> your car will be mostly in one piece.
> [© fox2detroit.com]
> ...
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[EVDL] Honda Insight Lithium Upgrade

[lektwik via EV]

Hi Folks

A friend has a 2001 Honda Insight with a degraded NiMh battery pack and
wants to upgrade it to Lithium.

I suspect there are multiple reasons this may not work, primarily that the
on-board battery management software isn't compatible with Lithium.

If anyone could provide "insight" on why this could or won't work it would
be appreciated. Also any links to more info would be appreciated.

Thanks!
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Re: [EVDL] Slow due to 96V pack?

[lektwik via EV]

96V  = Slug


On Friday, September 8, 2017, John Lussmyer via EV 
wrote:

> I'm helping a guy with a used conversion he just bought.
> It's a S-10 with 96V of Golf Cart batteries, Zilla 1K, and a 8 or 9" motor.
> Even fully charged - it's acceleration is poor.
> I was never able to get it to draw more than 200 Amps in any gear at any
> speed.
> (Zilla limit is set to 500)
> About 18KW max.
>
> Is this likely to be just because it's such a low voltage pack?
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Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery pack connector

[lektwik via EV]

I am thinking the wide availability of the Leaf packs at a reasonable cost
from local wrecking yards is a major driver. Plus. Wrecking yards usually
will deliver it for free :-)


On Friday, December 23, 2016, tomw via EV  wrote:

> May I ask why the two of you (John, Cor) decided to use Leaf packs rather
> than Volt packs?  The spinel chemistry used in Leaf batteries is known to
> be
> inferior to the NMC chemistry which I think is used in Volt packs, and the
> Volt packs have liquid temperature control to further improve longevity. On
> the other hand, the Leaf modules seem to be much easier to work with if you
> want to make a custom pack, say by combining the basic 2s2p modules in
> parallel to make higher Ah modules, or to fit an existing battery box in a
> conversion.
>
> Then there are also Tesla S modules available which seem to be the best
> chemistry for longevity and the highest energy density.  Some are concerned
> with the safety of these higher energy density cells, but the Tesla packs
> seem very well designed for safety with each cell fused on both anode and
> cathode, and my understanding is you have access to the bms wires from each
> module so can straight-forwardly connect a bms to them.
>
> Just wondering what drove your decision.  I've toyed with the idea of using
> one of the above in my conversion for a couple years now, but my LiFePO4
> pack, though 7 years old, is still doing fine so I'm reticent to spend more
> money on batteries, and I'd kind of like to see how long it lasts before
> significant degradation.  I lean more toward Tesla modules since I could
> double my pack size and have a bit LESS weight, and I think with proper
> care
> in the implementation, packaging, and operation (bms) they would be safe.
>
> I also prefer liquid cooling since I think the end of life of my cells will
> be caused by creeping up internal resistance, not capacity loss.  We get
> fairly high temperatures here in July and August (~100F, sometimes above)
> so
> the higher internal resistance will result in more pack heating and pack
> temperatures exceeding the ~40C (104F) limit above which it seems that
> greater deterioration occurs. I've exceeded that a few times, and expect it
> will get more frequent as ir creeps up.
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Re: [EVDL] Best deal on Lead Acid for conversion?

[lektwik via EV]

A Marine/RV battery is not a 'traction' battery and will have a very short
life in an EV application.

We are at the point where you won't be saving any money by using lead
instead of lithium.

Lead is Dead.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Bobby Keeland via EV 
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> I don't know about Sam's Club, but in several Wal-Marts I have only been
> able to find starting batteries or the Marine/RV batteries. These batteries
> are a poor starting battery and an even worse 'imitation' deep cycle
> battery. I had one in an RV. It was pretty worthless.
>
> On Jul 21, 2016 1:02 PM, "Cruisin via EV"  wrote:
>
> You may want to consider NEW Volt Li-ion battery packs, not from a junkie
> with unknown capacity, and all the accessories needed including a BMS with
> wire harness.
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Re: [EVDL] Leaf donor car? Re: Books on converting a car to ev?

[lektwik via EV]

Bill Dube' wrote:
>I understand your desire to make a big bucks, high performance EV,
>but Tesla has simply beat you to the punch. Tesla beat _everyone_ to the
punch.
>They will continue to beat everyone to the punch.

I tend to agree with everything Bill has said on this issue. The technology
you manage to put together in your "niche" car won't even come close to
what Tesla (and other automakers) are capable of.

As far as being quicker than a Tesla, you will require similar cutting-edge
four-wheel traction control and the power to drive it. A Tesla updates the
feedback continuously from each wheel in a small handful of milliseconds.
You will never get as close to the limits of adhesion as Tesla does without
the implementation of equal/better technology. The accepted technique to
getting lowest ET from a Tesla is simply to stomp the go-pedal to the floor
as quickly as possible. Everything else is taken care of for you.

I can just envision Elon at a company meeting hearing an engineer suggest
that the Model III have only two-wheel drive. Just ain't gonna happen. Will
your niche market car also have self-driving features?

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Bill Dube via EV  wrote:

> You _think_ you aren't competing with Tesla, but you will be. Your
> customers will compare the virtues of your car to the Tesla, and you must
> offer something that the Tesla does not. Nothing you have said would lure a
> customer towards your concept EV and away from buying a Tesla. Teslas have
> insane performance, and they cost less than $120k, and they have 200+ miles
> of range.
>
> Folks simply _must_ have range. That is why Tesla sells, because it has
> _unbelievable_ range. People won't pay big bucks for an EV that doesn't
> have similar range to a Tesla. (It is impossible to talk a person out of
> range they can buy elsewhere at the same price.)
>
> Folks new to EVs think "I'll just put a bigger battery pack into the car,
> and that will easily take care of aerodynamic drag problems which will cure
> my range issues." It doesn't, unfortunately. A bigger pack takes more room,
> which you don't have to give. You end up with a battery with a driver's
> seat.
>
> If there a better battery technology becomes available, Tesla will offer
> it as a retrofit. (The offer an upgrade on the battery pack if you bought a
> Roadster, for example.)
>
> You think, "I'll just give up range." and offer a car that has 50 miles of
> range, but stellar performance. The trouble is, your performance really
> can't do much better than a Tesla, at least on ordinary pavement. Tesla is
> up against the traction limit of ordinary pavement. You really can't get
> much faster acceleration than 0-60 mph in 2.8 seconds on the street. Your
> tires won't grip any better.
>
> I understand your desire to make a big bucks, high performance EV, but
> Tesla has simply beat you to the punch. Tesla beat _everyone_ to the punch.
> They will continue to beat everyone to the punch.
>
> Bill D.
>
> At 10:19 AM 1/14/2016, Jack Wendel wrote:
>
>> Bill wrote:Â
>>
>> If you are going to sell them after you build one of your own, it is
>> going to be very difficult to beat the Tesla on performance, safety, and
>> value/dollar.
>>
>>
>> The assumption that I plan to compete with Tesla out of the gate is
>> simply crazy. Tesla has a HUGE head start over me. If it were possible for
>> me to compete either of the following would have to be true:Â
>>
>> 1) Tesla engineers are all idiots.Â
>> 2) I am smarter than all the Tesla engineers combined.Â
>> 3) Tesla hasn't learned a thing in all the years they have been in
>> development and production.Â
>>
>> Since we can safely assume 1 and 3 are not true, thanks for the
>> compliment Bill! ;^)Â
>>
>> You want a convertible, cut the top off of a Tesla. Do it very nicely and
>> neatly of course, but that would be your best option. Sell that customized
>> model of a Tesla, using the same business model as van conversions, stretch
>> limos, and bulletproof cars use.
>>
>>
>> That would be great if I wanted to be in the business of converting Â
>> cars. I don't. Someone else can do that if they want to.Â
>> Â
>> One thing that you are not taking into account is that all OEM EVs are
>> _very_ aerodynamic. (No exceptions.) This is directly related to range, the
>> cost of the battery pack, the weight of the battery pack, and the cost of
>> the car. A car with crappy range simply won't sell. Likewise, a car with a
>> heavy (and expensive) battery pack to make up for a bad Cd will take a
>> performance hit because of the extra weight, and won't sell either.Â
>>
>>
>> Your assumptions are based on your perspective of value. Obviously
>> nothing wrong with that and it's probably quite similar  to others on this
>> list. No offense, but no one on this list would be a target customer of
>> mine exactly for that reason. My target customers have a COMPLETELY
>> different perspective of value.Â
>> Â
>> ICE cars really 

Re: [EVDL] Besot helmetless AZ e-cyclist lost-balance, fell & fatally struck head

[lektwik via EV]

Besot.

Haven't heard that used in years :-)

Just curious...
If someone got killed while drunk driving and happened to be driving a
Tesla or other electric car would that make it EV related news?

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 1:20 AM, brucedp5 via EV  wrote:

>
>
>
> http://tucson.com/news/blogs/police-beat/cyclist-falls-off-bike-and-dies-in-hospital/article_df34ea82-6334-11e5-9e0f-6fb3b34f926a.html
> Cyclist falls off bike and dies in hospital
> [20150924] • Carmen Duarte
>
> A cyclist who fell off his electric-powered bicycle died Wednesday at
> Banner-University Medical Center Tucson, police said.
>
> The cyclist was identified as Joseph Brzuchalski, 49, said Sgt. Pete Dugan,
> a Tucson Police Department spokesman. He said alcohol appears to have been
> a
> factor in the crash.
>
> On Monday at about 5:30 p.m., officers responded to South Fourth Avenue and
> East Ninth Street for a report of an injured cyclist in the road, said
> Dugan.
>
> Officers found out that the man had fallen off his bicycle. Tucson Fire
> Department paramedics treated the man and took him to the hospital with
> life-threatening injuries.
>
> During the investigation, police learned that the crash was captured on
> video by a city streetcar, which was traveling south on Fourth Avenue about
> half a block away from the cyclist, Dugan said.
>
> The video showed that the cyclist was originally heading east on Eighth
> Street and then turned south on to Fourth Avenue. He was traveling along
> the
> western curb area and no vehicles were in the road. He also did not enter
> into the rail tracks, said Dugan.
>
> The cyclist was seen adjusting his backpack, which appeared to cause him to
> lose his balance. He then fell to the ground where he struck his head. He
> was not wearing a helmet, said Dugan.
>
> As of January, there have been 42 traffic fatalities in the city, compared
> to 23 at this time last year, according to police statistics.
> [© 2015 Arizona Daily Star]
>
>
>
>
> https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2015/09/24/tucson-man-dies-after-falling-from-electric-powered-bike/
> Tucson Man Dies After Falling From Electric Powered Bike
> ADI News Services  September 24, 2015
>
> [image
> https://arizonadailyindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/4th-8th.png
> ]
>
> On September 21, 2015 at approximately 5:30 p.m., Tucson Police Department
> officers responded to the area of South 4th Avenue and East 9th Street for
> a
> report of an injured cyclist, 49-year-old Joseph Brzuchalski, who had
> fallen
> off of an electric powered bicycle.
>
> Tucson Fire responded to the scene and immediately transported Mr.
> Brzuchalski to Banner University Medical Center with life threatening
> injuries.
>
> During the investigation it was revealed that the collision was captured on
> video by a Sunlink rail vehicle. The Sunlink vehicle was traveling
> southbound on 4th Avenue about a half a block away from Mr. Brzuchalski.
> The
> video showed that Mr. Brzuchalski was originally eastbound on 8th Street
> and
> then turned southbound on to 4th Avenue. He was traveling along the western
> curb area with no vehicles in the roadway and did not enter into the rail
> tracks.
>
> Mr. Brzuchalski was seen adjusting his backpack, which appeared to cause
> him
> to lose his balance. Mr. Brzuchalski then fell to the ground where he
> struck
> his head. He was not wearing a helmet.
>
> On September 23, 2015 Mr. Brzuchalski succumbed to his injuries and was
> pronounced deceased at Banner University Medical Center. Alcohol appears to
> have been a factor in the collision.
> [© arizonadailyindependent.com]
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-S drivers crying foul, 'Grousing is ludicrous'

[lektwik via EV]

What a bunch of sniveling babies these Tesla owners are. If you want a
newer model, sell your old one and move on!

Narcissistic snowflake much?

The butthurt. It burns.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 1:14 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:




 http://www.montereyherald.com/business/20150304/tesla-anger-recent-model-s-buyers-cry-foul-over-new-features
 Tesla anger: Recent Model S buyers cry foul over new features
 By Dana Hull  03/04/15

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 HAWTHORNE CA - OCTOBER 09: Tesla owners look at the new interior of a Tesla
 D model electric sedan after Elon Musk, CEO of Tesla, unveiled the dual
 engine chassis, a faster and all-wheel-drive version of the Model S
 electric
 sedan, at the Hawthorne Airport October 09, 2014 in Hawthorne, California.
 The D will be able to accelerate to 60 miles per hour in just over 3 ...
 ]

 PALO ALTO -- Some loyal fans of Tesla Motors feel they have been misled.

 The innovative Silicon Valley company announced last week that every Model
 S
 rolling off its retooled assembly line includes a new hardware package that
 enables autopilot features. Prospective customers can also order the D,
 an
 all-wheel-drive version of the electric vehicle.

 But some Model S owners, particularly those who recently got cars that
 don't
 include the new hardware package or missed out on the chance to order
 all-wheel drive, are crying foul.

 Among the most irate: customers who were ordering a Model S but say they
 were persuaded by Tesla sales reps in September to purchase a demo,
 inventory or loaner model instead, as well as those who claim they
 specifically asked Tesla if autopilot features or all-wheel drive would
 ever
 be an option on the Model S and, they say, were told no.

 A Tesla spokesperson did not respond to requests for comment.

 Tesla's blog states that every single Model S now rolling out of the
 factory includes a forward radar, 12 long-range ultrasonic sensors
 positioned to sense 16 feet around the car in every direction at all
 speeds,
 a forward-looking camera and a high-precision, digitally controlled
 electric
 assist braking system. The new hardware, combined with future software
 releases, will allow Tesla to deliver a range of active safety features.

 Richard Wolpert of Los Angeles placed his order for a Model S in March and
 got his car in June. He says he specifically told Tesla sales reps that he
 was willing to wait for features like adaptive cruise control but was told
 they would not be an option on the Model S.

 If Tesla had said it's coming, but we can't say exactly when, I would have
 waited, Wolpert said. With 'traditional' car companies we know there are
 new models every year, and we factor that into our decision. With Tesla
 there was no talk or disclosure there would be effectively a 'new' Model S,
 so we bought blind.

 Wolpert launched a petition on Change.org asking Tesla to provide a
 retrofit
 for the new autopilot features for existing Model S owners. As of Wednesday
 afternoon, more than 600 people had signed it, including several from
 Norway, one of Tesla's key European markets.

 Value of the car dropped overnight, Dag Rinden of Oslo, Norway, wrote on
 the petition. The security equipment is important to get. Some of it
 should
 be easy to retrofit.

 Tesla does not have traditional model years for its vehicles and is
 constantly rolling out new features, including software-related
 improvements, that are provided to customers free of charge. Indeed, much
 of
 the excitement around the all-electric Model S is that it is constantly
 being improved.

 But several parts need to be installed or replaced to enable autopilot
 features, including the windshield, front and rear fascia and brake lines
 --
 making a retrofit impractical.

 Tesla prides itself on customer service, and many owners interviewed said
 they were escalating their concerns and remained hopeful that Tesla would
 come up with a fair solution to their situations.

 Model S owners who missed out on the new features have been advised they
 can
 trade in their current Model S for a new one. But many say they have been
 quoted trade-in prices that would cost them thousands of dollars.

 Eric Brown of Irvine was under the impression that he was buying a top of
 the line Model S and was thrilled to get his car Sept. 29. On Oct. 1, CEO
 Elon Musk sent out a tweet saying it was about time to unveil the D and
 something else. Tesla unveiled the autopilot features and all-wheel drive
 at a high-profile Los Angeles event Oct. 9.

 Brown is relatively lucky: His vehicle came with the autopilot features, a
 bonus that he wasn't expecting. His issue is that he wants all-wheel drive.

 I feel that Tesla dropped the ball on the announcement because it seems
 they didn't consider the feelings and reaction of customers who had just
 taken delivery of their vehicles, 

Re: [EVDL] What is needed to build a successful practical solar vehicle.

[lektwik via EV]

I don't know if this is still going on, but photos of the minimalist
vehicles powered purely by PV mounted to the vehicles may provide ideas. No
batteries or any other energy storage devices allowed on vehicle.

Official Solar Drag Race Website-
http://users.applecapital.net/~jim/solardragrace.htm

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:

 It is clear that it is possible to build a practical solar vehicle.  The
 formula is 55wh per mile consumption.  1.2kw solar panel.  850 pound
 weight. 16kw battery pack.  Range 500 miles. The vehicle must be
 aerodynamic.  Have the proper motor, wheels  carry 4 passengers with a
 trunk. It's been done at a high cost.

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2767806/Meet-Stella-solar-powered-car-drives-500-miles-SINGLE-charge-warns-traffic-lights-change.html

 What can we do with our stone tools  bear skins to copy this in an
 affordable manner?  I think a tube frame to start. Or chop a car?  Would it
 be light enough  strong enough? Wheels?  Stella uses very esoteric special
 solar racer tires.  Can we afford that  What very narrow wheels do the
 best since we can go with a number of different styles.  Tall and narrow is
 my best guess. Trailer tires?  Motorcycle tires  wheels?  What about side
 forces?  Wheel collapse is a real problem if you get it wrong.  What to
 compromise?  EVen if it were possible to get half the results that Stella
 gets that would be a win.  I'd be happy with 200 mile range and an extra 50
 from the sun.  Fully charge in three days.  Average use would still be
 below what you took in.  Any successful solar cars in the group?  Where to
 start?  Lawrence Rhodesand don't tell me the best place to solar charge
 a car is on your house's roof.  We are talking autonomous here.
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Re: [EVDL] Sources for Miles EV Parts?

[lektwik via EV]

Thank you very much for all your effort here Bruce!

Will pursue some of these.


On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:14 PM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

 I'll assume you have already tried using the contact info on their web site
 http://www.milesev.com/
 To Order Parts:
 Login to EPC to order online
 OR
 Email: parts @milesev.com
 For Service  Technical Support:
 Click on Service for a list of service providers
 OR
 Call   (800) 377 - 8979
 For General Information:
 Email: info @milesev.com
 (818) 879 - 1721


 http://www.milesev.com/services.html
 Provider Direct Contact Address Phone Email Areas Served

 J. C. Electric Service Corp. Jim Greene 2 Tinker Lane E. Setaucket, NY
 11733
 631-786-6229 jigreene @optonline.net NY, NJ, PA, New England

 Allan Vigil Ford 6790 Mt Zion Blvd Morrow, GA 30260 678-364-3328 GA

 Bleeker Auto Group Jason or Danny 5207 Raeford Rd Fayetteveille, NC 28304
 910-843-2141 jrister @nc.rr.com NC

 Carolina Industrial Equipment Steve Gnewuch 4315 Taggart Creek Rd.
 Charlotte, NC 28208 704-502-6694 NC, SC, TN, VA, GA

 UGA Automotive Center David Coyle 205 River Bend Rd Athens, GA 30602
 706-540-0594 dcoyle @uga.edu GA

 Rich Cregar 180 Korat Lane Creighton, NC 304-276-2417 rccregar @
 wilsoncc.edu
 NC

 Gerald Fritz 305-393-3091 gdfritz @aol.com FL - South

 Henry's Auto Repair Henry 5750 Highway 90, Unit 2 Conway, SC 29526
 843-458-1403 SC

 Redon's Garage  Wilma Stevens 5764 Commerce Lane S Miami, FL 33143
 305-284-0215 wilmarb2002 @yahoo.com FL - Miami Area

 Dyno Dave Dave 419-875-6807 dynodave @dynodave.com OH - North, MI - South

 Golf Cars of Iowa Dave Henry 5181 Maple Dr. Pleasant Hill, IA 50327
 515-526-4653 golfcarsofiowa @hotmail.comIA

 North Central Zenn Vic Stanley 419-606-3140 OH, IA

 The Foriegn Service Stew 1746 Terrace Dr. Roseville, MN 55113 651-635-0395
 www.theforeignservicemn.com MN - Tri Cities

 EV Autos Texas  Ken See 208 S Haskell Ave Dallas, TX 75226 214-707-0078
 ksee
 @evautotexas.com TX, OK

 Mark Kline 800-377-8979 mkline @milesev.com Western US

 FMI Truck Sales and Service Sean Wright 8351 NE Martin Luther King, Jr.
 Blvd
 Portland, OR 97211 800-927-8750 seanw @fmitrucks.com OR

 Mac  Mac Electric Eddie Pankow 1410 Iowa St Bellingham, WA 98229
 360-734-6530 info @macandmac.com WA

 Mobile-E Conley Olson 4050 S Howick St Salt Lake City, UT 84107
 801-205-5440
 conleyolsen @mobile-e-slc.com UT

 Solar Wind of Alaska Gerry Herbrandson 720 Sandy Beach Rd PO Box1374
 Petersburg, AK 99833 907-518-1237 solarwind @aptalaska.net AK

 Electric Vehicle Technologies Sterling Higashi 99-1374 Koaha Pl Honolulu,
 HI
 96801 sterling @evtechhawaii.com HI



 According to
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_Electric_Vehicles
 Miles Electric Vehicles was a manufacturer and distributor of all-electric
 vehicles manufactured by FAW Tianjin in China ...

 A search gave
 http://tractors.wikia.com/wiki/FAW_Tianjin
  ... FAW Tianjin also produces the Miles ZX40, an electric version of the
 Daihatsu Move which became the first Chinese-built vehicle sold in the
 United States when it was offered in mid-2006 by Miles Automotive Group.

 It is possible they may have manufactured or sourced other Miles parts:
 http://en.tjfaw.com.cn/AboutUs/contact
 Sales E-mail: tjfaw_overseas @163.com
 Services E-mail: tjfaw_service @163.com


 Lastly, a search
 https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=miles+electric+forum
 gave possible discussion forum areas to explore.


 {brucedp.150m.com}




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 On Mon, Jul 7, 2014, at 03:28 PM, lektwik via EV wrote: ...
  Miles cars is now out of business and the only source of new parts has
  gone away.
 
  Possibly someone on this list knows of cross-reference info. Particularly
  for brake parts.
 
  Info I can find says they are a Chinese copy of the Daihatsu Move, a
  low-speed vehicle never imported into the US. Rumor has it that some
  brake parts interchange with Honda, yet no one has a year, make, or model
  for
  that.
 
  Rear wheel cylinders appear to be made of unobtaineum. I work on these
  cars for folks and these are most needed. Every rear wheel cylinder I
 come
  across is a non-rebuildable frozen solid rust bucket.
 
  I went to the professional brake supply place and they went through all
  their books looking at pictures and came up with nothing. I even brought
  the shoes and other parts hoping to cross-reference. No Luck.
 
  I can get them re-sleeved with stainless steel at about $65 a pop.
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[lektwik via EV]

Hi Folks

Miles cars is now out of business and the only source of new parts has gone
away.

Possibly someone on this list knows of cross-reference info. Particularly
for brake parts.

Info I can find says they are a Chinese copy of the Daihatsu Move, a
low-speed vehicle never imported into the US. Rumor has it that some brake
parts interchange with Honda, yet no one has a year, make, or model for
that.

Rear wheel cylinders appear to be made of unobtaineum. I work on these cars
for folks and these are most needed. Every rear wheel cylinder I come
across is a non-rebuildable frozen solid rust bucket.

I went to the professional brake supply place and they went through all
their books looking at pictures and came up with nothing. I even brought
the shoes and other parts hoping to cross-reference. No Luck.

I can get them re-sleeved with stainless steel at about $65 a pop.

Any clues would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: [EVDL] Hydrogen/EV thoughts

[lektwik via EV]

Peter Eckhoff wrote:
Catastrophic failures would be catastrophic.

To me, this is it in a nutshell. A gasoline tank explosion would pale in
comparison


On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Peter Eckhoff via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:

 AC Propulsion had a Power Point slide where they compared the efficiency
 of various fuels.  Their standard was an EV with the equivalent of 50
 MPG.  A similar vehicle, powered by hydrogen produced from reformatted
 natural gas and fed into a fuel cell, was the equivalent of 30 mpg while
 hydrogen produced by electrolysis was the equivalent of 12 mpg.

 There a number of technical problems with fuel cells:
 1) A fuel cell life expectancy was about 2,000 hours.  Since my average
 driving speed is 30 mpg, I would have to replace my fuel cell every 60K
 miles.  Therefore, a different fuel cell construction technique would have
 to be used.
 2) A pack of battery or electrolytic capacitors or an ICE was needed to
 aid in acceleration.  Therefore, a faster way of transferring the proton
 through the electrolyte is needed.  Think of a proton as a person needed to
 run through air as opposed through water or molasses.
 3) The storage of hydrogen to go 300 miles in a Toyota Camry needed 3
 specially carbon wound tanks where the internal pressures reached 700 bar.
  A bar is 14.7 pounds per square inch.  This equates to 5 tons per square
 inch in a 2 ton vehicle.  Catastrophic failures would be catastrophic.
  The hydrogen, therefore, needs to be stored in a molecular sponge where
 the hydrogen freely flows in and out of storage without much energy
 inducements.  One real scheme required 800 degree Fahrenheit temperatures
 to release the hydrogen from storage.

 Given the number of technical problems that need to be solved, I don't see
 hydrogen fuel celled vehicles coming into common use anytime soon.



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