Re: [EVDL] $1.7 Trillion reinvested

2014-06-27 Thread Martin WINLOW via EV
$5/W sounds hideously expensive. It's nearer $2.6/W installed here in the UK! But as far as your analysis goes, you haven't factored in the money that hundreds of companies that supply the armed services have made out of the war. That means jobs which keeps the politicians in power and

Re: [EVDL] $1.7 Trillion reinvested

2014-06-26 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Peter, You are very generous with install cost of $5 per Watt and I think that cost level is old. Today's solar panels are all under $1 per Watt with few exceptions and installation typically doubles or triples that with the man-hours and the inverter installation material costs. What I have

Re: [EVDL] $1.7 Trillion reinvested

2014-06-26 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Here's a parallel way to look at it, except with wind generation: According to the US DOE, in table 1: http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/capitalcost/pdf/updated_capcost.pdf the cost to build a wind farm is $2213/kW to build + $40/kW-yr to operate. Add to that pumped storage of the same capacity:

Re: [EVDL] $1.7 Trillion reinvested (emissions free travel forever-corrected)

2014-06-26 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
[corrected! And results are 10 times better!] Remember this solar investment is the upfront cost. From then on, it has paid for free transportation energy for emissions free EV's forever... Lets try this $1.7T divided by $3.30/Watt cost of solar = 500 BWatts of capacity. In Maryland

Re: [EVDL] $1.7 Trillion reinvested (emissions free travel forever-corrected)

2014-06-26 Thread Willie2 via EV
On 06/26/2014 02:02 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: $1.7T divided by $3.30/Watt cost of solar = 500 BWatts of capacity. Around here, we are getting roof top turn key installations of around 5kw for about $2.25/watt before the income tax credit and without any local incentives. I've

Re: [EVDL] $1.7 Trillion reinvested

2014-06-26 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
-- From: Peri Hartman pe...@kotatko.com To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 26-Jun-14 8:20:44 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] $1.7 Trillion reinvested Here's a parallel way to look at it, except with wind generation: According to the US DOE, in table 1: http://www.eia.gov