Re: [EVDL] EVnewswire status: heart, again

[EVDL Administrator via EV]

On 28 Feb 2018 at 11:20, Gail Lucas via EV wrote:

> Expect Bruce to be posting for a long time yet... I found a printed
> post from him, dated August 1995. 

Bruce was already riding when I hopped on the EVDL bus, way back in 1994. 
(For those who don't know, the EVDL was launched in 1991, the pre-web era of 
Gopher.) 

Bruce used to post long, detailed stories about his adventures in EVing with 
his Blazer conversion, and about his frequent promotion of EVs to the public 
(I doubt that anyone attended more "ride and drive" events in CA).  

Here's one of his posts from July 1994.  Bruce was trying out a product that 
had been discussed on the list.  Bruce did this sort of thing often.  He 
liked being the "guinea pig" evaluating items that EVers might want to know 
about.

IIRC, the snake oil he's talking about here was sold by "Battery Automated 
Transportation," AKA BAT International.  I don't know for sure, but my guess 
is that it was sulfuric acid spiked with cobalt sulfate, the same stuff used 
in VX-6 battery additive.  (You can still buy VX-6, if you're the gullible 
type.)  Something like that would have altered the electrolyte 
concentration, slightly raising nominal voltage and capacity at the expense 
of cycle life.

BAT sold imported electric bikes and cars, and built conversions.  They had 
several EV-related "business strategies."  For example, they'd buy up 
licenses to various EV technologies, and then try to re-license them at a 
profit.  BAT were also (in)famous among EVers for such PR stunts as stuffing 
a converted Geo Metro with hopelessly expensive, short-lived, high-energy 
silver-zinc batteries (used about 3 decades before in the GM Electrovair), 
and holding press events and demos to tout its unusual range as some kind of 
EV revolution.  

OK, enough of that; here's Bruce:

Date:Mon, 4 Jul 1994 19:30:00 -0400
From:Bruce Parmenter 
Subject: I be BATT'd,(Bruce's Saga)

What a way to spend the 4th(!?) My car was fully charged, and I prepped for 
the addition of the BATT juice ("Ultra Force" additive) to my batteries. 
Rereading the label on the plastic gallon jugs, it says: 6oz for golf cart 
batteries, and 3oz for deep cycle batteries. Since there are 12 cells in my 
Aux deep cycle battery, that equates to one 3 celled 6 volt golf or EV 
battery.  

So, if I have 20 + 1 EV batteries at 6oz each cell, which there are 3 cells 
per battery (21 batteries * 6oz * 3cells = 378oz). I have 3 gallon 
containers which should be (128oz * 3 =) 384 oz of BATT juice. I should be 
OK, with some left over. 

The papers that came with the BATT juice said to store the acid electrolyte 
in a glass or plastic container. I had an extra empty plastic distilled 
water jug. I bought a glass measuring cup (anyone want to make some 
cookies?) and I had my specific gravity meter to use to draw out the 
electrolyte.  

As I progressed, I needed to keep track of the cells [from which] I had 
removed the electrolyte. I started in a batch mode. I removed enough 
electrolyte to fill the 1 gallon jug. Then I started adding 6 oz of BATT 
juice to those cells, keeping track of which was what.  

I did the front batteries first. I thought it would be better to wait on the 
AUX 12Volt battery until last. But, I figured my calculations showed I had 
some extra BATT juice, so I went ahead and did the AUX battery while I was 
setup in the front.  

I did the same procedure to the rear batteries. I can tell you it is a good 
idea to buy a good battery squeegee bulb for this process. My meter was too 
small for this job and made for much more effort.  

I added as far as I could see 6oz to each cell (3 oz to the Aux battery's 
cells). But, I had just enough to finish the job (to the drop). It would 
have been better to do the AUX battery last. That battery is less critical.  

But all is well. I have just the prescribed amount for the layman in my EV 
batteries. I have it trickle charging now. I will have the driving results a 
little later, as the papers say it takes 3 cycles to fully mix the BATT 
juice into solution.  

All the benefits claimed by the company are supported by letters for people 
who buy BATT juice regularly (no jive!), copies of which came with my 
supply. So, if anything, at this 6oz level, it could be like the way we add 
anti-freeze/rust/coolant to our radiators of an ICE car. Sort of a 
preventive.  

There is a procedure that came with the instruction papers, that shows how 
to mix the BATT juice (adding enough water for the amount of electrolyte 
needed) directly with acid (Super "Ultra Force Battery Catalyst" 
Instructions).  

The 10% additive is for the average consumer. If you add more than 10% the 
specific gravity won't be correct. The SUPER Instructions are to use a 25% 
catalyst solution by mixing 6 parts BATT juice to 1 part undiluted 96% 
sulfuric acid.  

You are to fully discharge the battery. Remove all the electrolyte and put 
it into a container. Use a non corrosive heat 

Re: [EVDL] EVnewswire status: heart, again

[Gail Lucas via EV]

On 2/28/2018 10:43 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
I agree (hand it to Bruce!). And, as much as hesitate to admit, there 
will eventually come a time when Bruce can't make further posts. I hope 
someone is considering an apprenticeship :)

Peri


Expect Bruce to be posting for a long time yet. He has been through 
these tests and treatments before and holds up fine. No one else would 
begin to exhibit Bruce's dedication and perseverance in the pursuit of 
EV information. Just today, while uncluttering my house, I found a 
printed post from him, dated August 1995. There are probably many 
readers here who have not been on the list and following Bruce for that 
long.


Gail



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Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVnewswire status: heart, again

You have to hand it to Bruce.  They can lock him down in the Tempe 
(TX) VA
hospital, but as you can tell from his newswire posts, they can't keep 
him

disconnected for long. :-)

Bruce is still undergoing cardiac tests.  (My take:) He might need 
fewer of
them, if the Texas VA hospital had managed to get his medical history 
from
the California VA. Apparently they can't or won't, and he had to give 
it to

them from memory.

Something just doesn't smell right when the patient is better 
connected than

the massive government agency, no?  Ah well.

He doesn't expect to be in hospital beyond tomorrow night (or at least is
hoping to leave then), so if you'd like to mail a card or other 
support, you
should probably send it to his mail drop. I'm hesitant to post that 
address
here (with the EVDL being archived in all kinds of places), so please 
email

me (better to let Bruce rest) offlist to get the address.

For my private email see : http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#supt

Bruce, if you're reading this, hang in there and get well!  We're all
pulling for you.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Re: [EVDL] EVnewswire status: heart, again

[Peri Hartman via EV]

I agree (hand it to Bruce!). And, as much as hesitate to admit, there 
will eventually come a time when Bruce can't make further posts. I hope 
someone is considering an apprenticeship :)

Peri

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVnewswire status: heart, again

You have to hand it to Bruce.  They can lock him down in the Tempe (TX) 
VA
hospital, but as you can tell from his newswire posts, they can't keep 
him

disconnected for long. :-)

Bruce is still undergoing cardiac tests.  (My take:) He might need 
fewer of
them, if the Texas VA hospital had managed to get his medical history 
from
the California VA. Apparently they can't or won't, and he had to give 
it to

them from memory.

Something just doesn't smell right when the patient is better connected 
than

the massive government agency, no?  Ah well.

He doesn't expect to be in hospital beyond tomorrow night (or at least 
is
hoping to leave then), so if you'd like to mail a card or other 
support, you
should probably send it to his mail drop. I'm hesitant to post that 
address
here (with the EVDL being archived in all kinds of places), so please 
email

me (better to let Bruce rest) offlist to get the address.

For my private email see : http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#supt

Bruce, if you're reading this, hang in there and get well!  We're all
pulling for you.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Re: [EVDL] EVnewswire status: heart, again

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You have to hand it to Bruce.  They can lock him down in the Tempe (TX) VA 
hospital, but as you can tell from his newswire posts, they can't keep him 
disconnected for long. :-)

Bruce is still undergoing cardiac tests.  (My take:) He might need fewer of 
them, if the Texas VA hospital had managed to get his medical history from 
the California VA. Apparently they can't or won't, and he had to give it to 
them from memory. 

Something just doesn't smell right when the patient is better connected than 
the massive government agency, no?  Ah well.

He doesn't expect to be in hospital beyond tomorrow night (or at least is 
hoping to leave then), so if you'd like to mail a card or other support, you 
should probably send it to his mail drop. I'm hesitant to post that address 
here (with the EVDL being archived in all kinds of places), so please email 
me (better to let Bruce rest) offlist to get the address.  

For my private email see : http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#supt 

Bruce, if you're reading this, hang in there and get well!  We're all 
pulling for you.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Re: [EVDL] EVnewswire status: heart, again

[Gail Lucas via EV]

Thanks David. If you hear that he will be hospitalized for awhile maybe 
he would like cards or calls. Since he moved so recently he probably 
does not know a lot of people over there and would like to hear from us.


Gail

On 2/27/2018 6:34 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:

Bruce Parmenter writes that he's in the VA hospital in Temple, Texas, for
observation, tests, and (I hope!) treatment.  As of this afternoon, his
heart rate was still elevated.  More updates as available.

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Re: [EVDL] EVnewswire status: heart, again

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Bruce Parmenter writes that he's in the VA hospital in Temple, Texas, for 
observation, tests, and (I hope!) treatment.  As of this afternoon, his 
heart rate was still elevated.  More updates as available.

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Re: [EVDL] EVnewswire status: heart, again

[Thos True via EV]

Bruce,

Keep up the good fight, and I hope that you get the heart back on track
soon.
Charge on!

-Tom True

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 11:30 PM, brucedp5 via EV  wrote:

>
>
> afib heart problems, again ...
>
> I felt awful last night. my blood pressure meter kept giving odd readings
> except that my heart rate is twice what it normally is.
>
> This afib high heart rate has happened before (the heart is not pumping the
> right way= low energy, +more). The last time the Dr's had to do an
> Electrical Cardioversion (they kill you and then, hopefully, bring you
> back)
> https://www.google.com/search?q=Electrical+Cardioversion
>
> I have a VA Hospital appt. on Tues 27th to get started at that TX facility
> I
> am switching to (then this happened, oh-boy). I am going to move my
> stuff/empty-out my rented room, to my tx ice and take along my hospital bag
> (encase of a long hospital stay). I am hoping my 4G tether holds out during
> my long observation period laying on a gurney connected with tubes and
> sensors with monitor beeps and nurse's chatter (as if no one else can
> hear).
>
> So, EV news posts may be delayed.
> I hope to post the items I have queued later (I am in training for a 10hr
> fasting period on Tuesday starting at 1am, for an 11am lab blood draw).
>
> I have better take a nap now, to regain some energy :-zzz
>
>
> Bruce {EVangel} Parmenter
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Re: [EVDL] EVnewswire status: heart, again

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

Best of luck. Hang in there!

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From: brucedp5 via EV (mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org)
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CC: brucedp5 (mailto:bruce...@juno.com)
Subject: [EVDL] EVnewswire status: heart, again

> 
> 
> afib heart problems, again ...
> 
> I felt awful last night. my blood pressure meter kept giving odd readings
> except that my heart rate is twice what it normally is.
> 
> This afib high heart rate has happened before (the heart is not pumping the
> right way= low energy, +more). The last time the Dr's had to do an
> Electrical Cardioversion (they kill you and then, hopefully, bring you back)
> https://www.google.com/search?q=Electrical+Cardioversion
> 
> I have a VA Hospital appt. on Tues 27th to get started at that TX facility I
> am switching to (then this happened, oh-boy). I am going to move my
> stuff/empty-out my rented room, to my tx ice and take along my hospital bag
> (encase of a long hospital stay). I am hoping my 4G tether holds out during
> my long observation period laying on a gurney connected with tubes and
> sensors with monitor beeps and nurse's chatter (as if no one else can hear).
> 
> So, EV news posts may be delayed.
> I hope to post the items I have queued later (I am in training for a 10hr
> fasting period on Tuesday starting at 1am, for an 11am lab blood draw).
> 
> I have better take a nap now, to regain some energy :-zzz
> 
> 
> Bruce {EVangel} Parmenter
> 
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Re: [EVDL] EVnewswire status: heart, again

[Willie via EV]

On 02/26/2018 01:30 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:



afib heart problems, again ...

I felt awful last night. my blood pressure meter kept giving odd readings
except that my heart rate is twice what it normally is.


Bruce, if you need any transport assistance, don't hesitate to say so. 
I relish such day trips.


I've been in three area hospitals in the past few months.  All had 
excellent wifi.  Do you know that VA does not?


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Re: [EVDL] EVnewswire status: heart, again

[David Chapman via EV]

Bruce,Sorry to hear you are dealing with this again. I am sure you would be 
surprised to know how many positive thoughts and prayers are being sent your 
way by people you probably couldn't pick out of a police lineup but whose lives 
you have touched in some way on your journey. Best of luck with treatment and 
let us know how it went. You know, just had a thought... Isn't a defibrillator 
basically a speed controller? Maybe you just need a `Zilla upgrade :-) Dach. 
"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are" - Theodore Roosevelt “We 
reached the old wolf in time to watch a fierce green fire dying in her eyes 
 I was young then, and full of trigger-itch; I thought that because fewer 
wolves meant more deer, that no wolves would mean hunters’ paradise. But after 
seeing the green fire die, I sensed that neither the wolf nor the mountain 
agreed with such a view.” - Aldo Leopold 

On Monday, February 26, 2018 12:37 AM, Jim Walls via EV  
wrote:
 

 On 2/25/2018 23:30, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
> afib heart problems, again ...


I hope it goes well for you Bruce.

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Re: [EVDL] EVnewswire status: heart, again

[Gail Lucas via EV]

Hi Bruce,

Sorry to hear you are having those problems again. Get yourself to the 
hospital so they can fix things for you and don't worry about sending 
posts to us. The info will still be there when you feel well again. You 
have probably had too much stress lately with the move and the car 
issues, etc. Recover quickly. We will watch for you to be back to normal 
soon.


Gail


On 2/25/2018 11:30 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:



afib heart problems, again ...

I felt awful last night. my blood pressure meter kept giving odd readings
except that my heart rate is twice what it normally is.

This afib high heart rate has happened before (the heart is not pumping the
right way= low energy, +more). The last time the Dr's had to do an
Electrical Cardioversion (they kill you and then, hopefully, bring you back)
https://www.google.com/search?q=Electrical+Cardioversion

I have a VA Hospital appt. on Tues 27th to get started at that TX facility I
am switching to (then this happened, oh-boy). I am going to move my
stuff/empty-out my rented room, to my tx ice and take along my hospital bag
(encase of a long hospital stay). I am hoping my 4G tether holds out during
my long observation period laying on a gurney connected with tubes and
sensors with monitor beeps and nurse's chatter (as if no one else can hear).

So, EV news posts may be delayed.
I hope to post the items I have queued later (I am in training for a 10hr
fasting period on Tuesday starting at 1am, for an 11am lab blood draw).

I have better take a nap now, to regain some energy :-zzz


Bruce {EVangel} Parmenter

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Re: [EVDL] EVnewswire status: heart, again

[Jim Walls via EV]

On 2/25/2018 23:30, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

afib heart problems, again ...



I hope it goes well for you Bruce.

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