Re: [EVDL] Temperature rating (and Blowing them up!)

2015-04-03 Thread Lee Hart via EV
From: Mike Nickerson via EV I think the problem happens when the constant current charger doesn't stop when the cells are full. The cell can't store the energy, but it has to go somewhere. They are sealed, so it can't just bubble off water like lead-acid cells do. The energy breaks down the

Re: [EVDL] Temperature rating (and Blowing them up!)

2015-04-03 Thread Jan Steinman via EV
From: Mike Nickerson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org I think the problem happens when the constant current charger doesn't stop when the cells are full. The cell can't store the energy, but it has to go somewhere. They are sealed, so it can't just bubble off water like lead-acid cells do.

Re: [EVDL] Temperature rating (and Blowing them up!)

2015-04-02 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
- From: EV on behalf of Jan Steinman via EV Sent: Wed 4/1/2015 9:33 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Temperature rating (and Blowing them up!) From: Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org That's 300 mA at 250 VDC. The voltage doesn't really matter, does

Re: [EVDL] Temperature rating (and Blowing them up!)

2015-04-02 Thread Mike Nickerson via EV
I think the problem happens when the constant current charger doesn't stop when the cells are full. The cell can't store the energy, but it has to go somewhere. They are sealed, so it can't just bubble off water like lead-acid cells do. The energy breaks down the electrolyte and builds

Re: [EVDL] Temperature rating (and Blowing them up!)

2015-04-02 Thread Lee Hart via EV
From: Robert Bruninga via EVev@lists.evdl.org That's 300 mA at 250 VDC. Jan Steinman via EV wrote: The voltage doesn't really matter, does it? It does indirectly. We're charging Prius packs. Each 6-cell module is very flat, and sandwiched tightly between its neighbors. It has almost no

Re: [EVDL] Temperature rating (and Blowing them up!)

2015-04-01 Thread Jan Steinman via EV
From: Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org That's 300 mA at 250 VDC. The voltage doesn't really matter, does it? If you're charging with a constant-current source, all but one of the cells could short, and the last cell would still see no more than 360 mW. If you were charging

Re: [EVDL] Temperature rating (and Blowing them up!)

2015-04-01 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Same happens with NiMh: See my blown up Prius cells. http://aprs.org/prius/photos/bad/OverC-Left-CellsX.JPG http://aprs.org/prius/photos/bad/OverC-Right-BentX.JPG All I did was p ut a 300 mA trickle on them... and then forgot about it. Until 8 hours later when they began to explode... Bob,

Re: [EVDL] Temperature rating (and Blowing them up!)

2015-04-01 Thread Jan Steinman via EV
From: Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org Same happens with NiMh: See my blown up Prius cells... All I did was p ut a 300 mA trickle on them... and then forgot about it. Until 8 hours later when they began to explode... Wow, Bob. That is difficult to understand. Across one cell,

Re: [EVDL] Temperature rating (and Blowing them up!)

2015-04-01 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Temperature rating (and Blowing them up!) From: Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org Same happens with NiMh: See my blown up Prius cells... All I did was p ut a 300 mA trickle on them... and then forgot about it. Until 8 hours later when they began