Re: [EVDL] $52M/yr 'Quiet (Electrified) cars' alert-sound rules by 2019/09

On 6 Dec 2016 at 20:36, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > I also downloaded a copy of it, which I could post to the EVDL, but I'm > not sure where. Normally you'd post something like that on a publicly-open filesharing server and post a link. If you can't do that, you can email it to me as an

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ct areas are covered in the regulation, I would be helpful if you could point them out to me. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "tomw via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: Sent: 15-Nov-16 10:56:08 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] $52M/yr 'Quiet (Electrified) cars' a

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t;ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] $52M/yr 'Quiet (Electrified) cars' alert-sound rules by 2019/09 That statement may or may not be useful. We need a reference to the study to know. For example, the clip doesn't state whether the hybrid

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of hybrids on the road. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "EVDL Administrator via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> Cc: Sent: 17-Nov-16 9:25:04 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] $52M/yr 'Quiet (Electrified) cars' alert-soun

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On 17 Nov 2016 at 14:24, paul dove via EV wrote: > The analysis showed that, based on reported incidents, hybrids are no > more dangerous to pedestrians than other vehicles, and little variation > exists in how and why blind or sighted pedestrians die in vehicular > incidents. Ah, but we can't

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van de Water <cwa...@proxim.com>; Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] $52M/yr 'Quiet (Electrified) cars' alert-sound rules by 2019/09 The National Federation for the Blind (NFB) and the American Cou

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is > via EV > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 10:46 AM > To: Rush Dougherty; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] $52M/yr 'Quiet (Electrified) cars' alert-sound rules > by 2019/09 > > Well I agree that until pedestrians don't have the right of way _period_

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age- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of EVDL Administrator via EV > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 5:25 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] $52M/yr 'Quiet (Electrified) cars' alert-sound rules by 2019/09 > > On 15 Nov 2016 at 12:40,

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Amen, Lee. If quiet cars are truly the problem, the requirement should be universal. Singling out EV's certainly has the appearance - even if not the intent - of hostility and intentionally limiting their appeal. I tend to believe the current action is merely a case of narrow-mindedness, but

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On 15 Nov 2016 at 12:40, Rush Dougherty via EV wrote: > Make one 2 ft or so from the curb that will stop the phone from > working and say something both audibly and visually ... I can just see this: You're reporting an emergency to 911 and you get cut off. You're recording a cop beating

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> -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Ed Blackmond via EV > Maybe we could have something that disabled cell phones. That would cure the distracted > driver problem too. Great idea! Sort of like the grocery market carts, when you cross their

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] $52M/yr 'Quiet (Electrified) cars' alert-sound rules by 2019/09 Thanks, just submitted my comments to the hotline. Maybe they will add them to whatever committee looks at drafting this. Lawrence > On Nov 15, 2016, at 10:56, tomw via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:

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Has anyone noticed that this alleged safety feature simply removes by yet one more step the responsibility of the operator of the motor vehicle to be aware of his surroundings? If there's a pedestrian ahead who does not look and does not hear the motor vehicle approaching, it is the driver's

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is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Harris via EV Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 10:46 AM To: Rush Dougherty; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] $52M/yr 'Quiet (Electrified) cars' alert-sound rules by 2019/09 Well I

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Thanks, just submitted my comments to the hotline. Maybe they will add them to whatever committee looks at drafting this. Lawrence > On Nov 15, 2016, at 10:56, tomw via EV wrote: > > http://www.nhtsa.gov/About-NHTSA/NHTSA-Contact-Information > > -- > View this message in

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http://www.nhtsa.gov/About-NHTSA/NHTSA-Contact-Information -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/52M-yr-Quiet-Electrified-cars-alert-sound-rules-by-2019-09-tp4684467p4684487.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list

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Well I agree that until pedestrians don’t have the right of way _period_ we need to deal with this. The approach of having a noise emitted at low speed is really not a big deal, most of the time it’s inaudible inside the car. I think a turbine whine at low speed and maybe even a beep beep

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to participate in this? Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Lee Hart via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> Cc: Sent: 15-Nov-16 9:56:45 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] $52M/yr 'Quiet (Electrified) cars' alert-sound rules by 2019

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> -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Thos True via EV >It is the pedestrian blinded by electronics technology that we need to concern >ourselves with! I couldn't agree with you more, how many times do we hear of or see utube videos of somebody

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I’m afraid I have my own solution to this. I play my music very loudly when I think someone may be at risk of not hearing me… ;) [image: --] Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield [image: https://]about.me/aminorjourney On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Jim

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Lee said (in part): > If we're going to set some new standard, I think it should apply to > *all* vehicles, ICE as well as EV. That will prevent EV-haters from > legislating obnoxious standard *on purpose* to discourage EVs. It would > also put the general public on our side, as they don't

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Peri Hartman via EV wrote: While there are obvious virtues to have EVs emit sounds, and I will not oppose the effort, what can we do to ensure the sounds are quiet enough and pleasant? It's always seemed to me that my EVs make plenty of noise (tires, wind, transmission and differential gear

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Classical music or jazz would be nice! Sent from my iPhone > On 15 Nov 2016, at 15:00, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > While there are obvious virtues to have EVs emit sounds, and I will not > oppose the effort, what can we do to ensure the sounds are quiet enough and >

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> On Nov 15, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Thos True via EV wrote: > > .It is the pedestrian blinded by > electronics technology that we need to concern ourselves with! > Maybe we could have something that disabled cell phones. That would cure the distracted driver problem too. Ed

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As I recall, the 2011 Nissan Leaf that we had made a Jetson spaceship type of sound at low speeds. Not very loud or obnoxious, but definitely not sound that was produced by the drive train. I asked the dealership about it, and was told that it was a voluntary action in a proactive effort by

Re: [EVDL] $52M/yr 'Quiet (Electrified) cars' alert-sound rules by 2019/09

While there are obvious virtues to have EVs emit sounds, and I will not oppose the effort, what can we do to ensure the sounds are quiet enough and pleasant? I imagine with horror a city full of cars emitting 1khz square wave beeps, like so many commercial trucks and construction equipment. I