Re: [EVDL] California solicits applications for $40 million in NEVI EV charging grants

[Peri Hartman via EV]

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From: "Lawrence Winiarski via EV" 
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
Cc: "Lawrence Winiarski" 
Sent: 04-Nov-23 19:01:44
Subject: Re: [EVDL] California solicits applications for $40 million in 
NEVI EV charging grants



Honestly I think slow charging during daylight hours at places of work or 
shopping could be more appreciated.
Since solar is becoming more and more popular, it makes sense to charge the car 
during the daylight hours at work.
If you are going to promote something...


On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 06:39:23 PM PDT, Lee Hart via EV 
 wrote:

 Paul Dove wrote:

 Weve had battery powered lawn equipment for over 10 years now
 and they still sell gasoline versions. We will never go 100% EV.


No; it will never be 100%. But it could easily reach 50% or even more within 
our lifetimes. Longer term, it may well get very close to 100% EV.

100 years ago, ICEs started replacing horses. A century later, there are 
*still* a small percentage of people using horses. But the vast majority of 
people use ICEs.

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Re: [EVDL] California solicits applications for $40 million in NEVI EV charging grants

[Peri Hartman via EV]

Like this picture taken in Romania in 2019.
https://imgur.com/a/bJftFqW
Peri

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-- Original Message --
From: "Lawrence Winiarski via EV" 
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
Cc: "Lawrence Winiarski" 
Sent: 04-Nov-23 19:01:44
Subject: Re: [EVDL] California solicits applications for $40 million in 
NEVI EV charging grants



Honestly I think slow charging during daylight hours at places of work or 
shopping could be more appreciated.
Since solar is becoming more and more popular, it makes sense to charge the car 
during the daylight hours at work.
If you are going to promote something...


On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 06:39:23 PM PDT, Lee Hart via EV 
 wrote:

 Paul Dove wrote:

 Weve had battery powered lawn equipment for over 10 years now
 and they still sell gasoline versions. We will never go 100% EV.


No; it will never be 100%. But it could easily reach 50% or even more within 
our lifetimes. Longer term, it may well get very close to 100% EV.

100 years ago, ICEs started replacing horses. A century later, there are 
*still* a small percentage of people using horses. But the vast majority of 
people use ICEs.

Le
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Re: [EVDL] California solicits applications for $40 million in NEVI EV charging grants

[Peri Hartman via EV]

I can't begin to imagine a task that would be better suited with an ICE 
than an electric motor. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that 
you were refering to the energy storage, that some applications are 
better suited to using petroleum products rather than a battery for 
energy storage.


I'll go as far as to postulate that the ICE would have disappeared long 
ago if we had a better way to generate electricty from petroleum in 
personal and other vehicles. If we could efficiently and safely run a 
small turbine in a car to generate electricty, the manufacturers would 
surely have replaced the complicated ICE with an electric motor.


Peri

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From: "paul dove via EV" 
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Cc: "paul dove" 
Sent: 04-Nov-23 19:35:57
Subject: Re: [EVDL] California solicits applications for $40 million in 
NEVI EV charging grants



Your seriously comparing horses vs cars with EVs vs ICEs?
Horses were overcome by technology which is not the case here! Some tasks will 
always be better suited to combustion engines.


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On Saturday, November 4, 2023, 8:38 PM, Lee Hart via EV  
wrote:

Paul Dove wrote:

 Weve had battery powered lawn equipment for over 10 years now
 and they still sell gasoline versions. We will never go 100% EV.


No; it will never be 100%. But it could easily reach 50% or even more within 
our lifetimes. Longer term, it may well get very close to 100% EV.

100 years ago, ICEs started replacing horses. A century later, there are 
*still* a small percentage of people using horses. But the vast majority of 
people use ICEs.

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Re: [EVDL] California solicits applications for $40 million in NEVI EV charging grants

[Al Lumas via EV]

Didn't EV's precede ICE's more than 100 years ago and were very popular in
big cities that had charging stations every few blocks?  
Henry Ford's wife and many others drove them because they didn't require
hand cranking to be started.  

Al Lumas


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Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2023 6:39 PM
100 years ago, ICEs started replacing horses. A century later, there are
*still* a small percentage of people using horses. But the vast majority of
people use ICEs.
Le


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Re: [EVDL] California solicits applications for $40 million in NEVI EV charging grants

[paul dove via EV]

Your seriously comparing horses vs cars with EVs vs ICEs? 
Horses were overcome by technology which is not the case here! Some tasks will 
always be better suited to combustion engines.


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On Saturday, November 4, 2023, 8:38 PM, Lee Hart via EV  
wrote:

Paul Dove wrote:
> Weve had battery powered lawn equipment for over 10 years now
> and they still sell gasoline versions. We will never go 100% EV.

No; it will never be 100%. But it could easily reach 50% or even more within 
our lifetimes. Longer term, it may well get very close to 100% EV.

100 years ago, ICEs started replacing horses. A century later, there are 
*still* a small percentage of people using horses. But the vast majority of 
people use ICEs.

Le
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Re: [EVDL] California solicits applications for $40 million in NEVI EV charging grants

[Lawrence Winiarski via EV]

Honestly I think slow charging during daylight hours at places of work or 
shopping could be more appreciated.
Since solar is becoming more and more popular, it makes sense to charge the car 
during the daylight hours at work.
If you are going to promote something...


On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 06:39:23 PM PDT, Lee Hart via EV 
 wrote:  
 
 Paul Dove wrote:
> Weve had battery powered lawn equipment for over 10 years now
> and they still sell gasoline versions. We will never go 100% EV.

No; it will never be 100%. But it could easily reach 50% or even more within 
our lifetimes. Longer term, it may well get very close to 100% EV.

100 years ago, ICEs started replacing horses. A century later, there are 
*still* a small percentage of people using horses. But the vast majority of 
people use ICEs.

Le
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Re: [EVDL] California solicits applications for $40 million in NEVI EV charging grants

[Lee Hart via EV]

Paul Dove wrote:
> Weve had battery powered lawn equipment for over 10 years now
> and they still sell gasoline versions. We will never go 100% EV.

No; it will never be 100%. But it could easily reach 50% or even more within 
our lifetimes. Longer term, it may well get very close to 100% EV.

100 years ago, ICEs started replacing horses. A century later, there are 
*still* a small percentage of people using horses. But the vast majority of 
people use ICEs.

Le
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Re: [EVDL] California solicits applications for $40 million in NEVI EV charging grants

[paul dove via EV]

Very doubtful! We’ve had battery powered lawn equipment for over 10 years now 
and they still sale gasoline versions. We will never go 100% EV. Not unless the 
outlaw it.


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On Friday, November 3, 2023, 1:45 PM, EV@TucsonEV via EV  
wrote:

https://chargedevs.com/newswire/california-solicits-applications-for-40-million-
in-nevi-ev-charging-grants/  

 

I can just see it now, in a few years there are going to be massive parking lots
in Nevada, Arizona, Oregon and Baja Calif where parking for gas guzzlers are
going to be parked for $20/day because Calif only has EV charging stations, no
gas stations. 

 

Best regards,

 

Rush Dougherty

TucsonEV

www.TucsonEV.com  

 

 

 

 

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Re: [EVDL] California solicits applications for $40 million in NEVI EV charging grants

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On 3 Nov 2023 at 10:56, EV@TucsonEV via EV wrote:

> in a few years ... gas guzzlers are going to be parked for $20/day
> because Calif only has EV charging stations, no gas stations. 

That's a pretty optimistic (?) scenario in a nation where surveys report 
that 40% of the population say that they'll never buy an EV under any 
circumstances.

Events can sometimes change minds, though.  

US ICEV fuel demand has proven pretty resilient when it comes to price.  
What really galls drivers, especially rich ones, is serious refueling 
inconvenience - like long waits in long lines for limited fuel amounts.

Fifty years ago, in October of 1973, a coalition of mideast states attacked 
Israel on Yom Kippur. The US took Israel's side, resupplying their military. 
OPEC's response was an embargo on oil shipments to the US and several other 
Western nations.

If you were alive then, you know what happened next.  If you weren't, your 
favorite search engine is your friend.

As someone once said, "all we learn from history is history repeats."

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Re: [EVDL] California solicits applications for $40 million in NEVI EV charging grants

[John Lussmyer via EV]

Well, as fewer cars need gas, stations will close, making it less 
convenient for ICE vehicles, so they switch to EV - which causes more 
stations to close, etc...
(Not sure if gas prices will drop due to excess production, or go up due 
to trying to preserve profit margins while maintaining all those huge 
refineries.)


On 11/3/2023 10:56 AM, EV@TucsonEV via EV wrote:

I can just see it now, in a few years there are going to be massive parking lots
in Nevada, Arizona, Oregon and Baja Calif where parking for gas guzzlers are
going to be parked for $20/day because Calif only has EV charging stations, no
gas stations.


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[EVDL] California solicits applications for $40 million in NEVI EV charging grants

[EV@TucsonEV via EV]

https://chargedevs.com/newswire/california-solicits-applications-for-40-million-
in-nevi-ev-charging-grants/  

 

I can just see it now, in a few years there are going to be massive parking lots
in Nevada, Arizona, Oregon and Baja Calif where parking for gas guzzlers are
going to be parked for $20/day because Calif only has EV charging stations, no
gas stations. 

 

Best regards,

 

Rush Dougherty

TucsonEV

www.TucsonEV.com  

 

 

 

 

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