Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161206
They don't loose money per say but they are in the red till the sell enough vehicles to pay for the new tooling required to make them. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > I don't know if new ICE models lose money initially, but it's certainly > expected that vehicles with new technologies will lose money. The Prius, > which became hugely successful, lost money for several years. And no ZEV, > including Tesla, is making profit - yet. > But I think that your criticism of GM for "whining" about losing money was > misplaced. Nowhere in the Bloomberg article was GM complaining. In fact, the > only mention of GM's comments about how much money they were losing on the > Bolt was that GM had declined to comment on how much they were losing. > > > Sent from AltaMail > > > From: EVDL Administrator via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: Electric Vehicle > Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire > posts for 20161206 Date: 12/6/16, 7:06 AM > > >> On 6 Dec 2016 at 3:24, brucedp5 via EV wrote: >> >> General Motors Co. stands to lose as much as $9,000 on every Chevrolet Bolt >> that leaves a showroom once the all-electric subcompact starts rolling out >> ... > > I was under the impression that most entirely new cars (regardless of their > motive source) were money-losers in their first years. That's supposedly > why automakers prefer to build "new" models by adapting established bases, > no? It keeps the tooling costs lower. > > But GM don't whine about new ICEVs losing money, only new EVs. Gosh, I > wonder why that is. > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > EVDL Administrator > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my > email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161206/9bfeadb5/attachment.htm> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161206
I don't know if new ICE models lose money initially, but it's certainly expected that vehicles with new technologies will lose money. The Prius, which became hugely successful, lost money for several years. And no ZEV, including Tesla, is making profit - yet. But I think that your criticism of GM for "whining" about losing money was misplaced. Nowhere in the Bloomberg article was GM complaining. In fact, the only mention of GM's comments about how much money they were losing on the Bolt was that GM had declined to comment on how much they were losing. Sent from AltaMail From: EVDL Administrator via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161206 Date: 12/6/16, 7:06 AM On 6 Dec 2016 at 3:24, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > General Motors Co. stands to lose as much as $9,000 on every Chevrolet Bolt > that leaves a showroom once the all-electric subcompact starts rolling out > ... I was under the impression that most entirely new cars (regardless of their motive source) were money-losers in their first years. That's supposedly why automakers prefer to build "new" models by adapting established bases, no? It keeps the tooling costs lower. But GM don't whine about new ICEVs losing money, only new EVs. Gosh, I wonder why that is. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161206/9bfeadb5/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161206
> General Motors Co. stands to lose as much as $9,000 on every Chevrolet Bolt > that leaves a showroom once the all-electric subcompact starts rolling out ... Probably includes the loss of benefit in kind (kickbacks in the US) that GM receives from the oil companies. ;-D From: EVDL Administrator via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2016, 15:06 Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161206 On 6 Dec 2016 at 3:24, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > General Motors Co. stands to lose as much as $9,000 on every Chevrolet Bolt > that leaves a showroom once the all-electric subcompact starts rolling out ... I was under the impression that most entirely new cars (regardless of their motive source) were money-losers in their first years. That's supposedly why automakers prefer to build "new" models by adapting established bases, no? It keeps the tooling costs lower. But GM don't whine about new ICEVs losing money, only new EVs. Gosh, I wonder why that is. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20161206/048f7609/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161206
It's hard to know what they mean by $9K per car. Does that mean $9K for actual manufacturing costs? Does it include R? Does it take into account a declining price for batteries? If R is amortized, over what period? What about economy of scale? It would be nice to see them find a way to claim a profit instead but, still, it's a pretty meaningless number without the qualifications. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "EVDL Administrator via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> Cc: Sent: 06-Dec-16 7:06:45 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161206 On 6 Dec 2016 at 3:24, brucedp5 via EV wrote: General Motors Co. stands to lose as much as $9,000 on every Chevrolet Bolt that leaves a showroom once the all-electric subcompact starts rolling out ... I was under the impression that most entirely new cars (regardless of their motive source) were money-losers in their first years. That's supposedly why automakers prefer to build "new" models by adapting established bases, no? It keeps the tooling costs lower. But GM don't whine about new ICEVs losing money, only new EVs. Gosh, I wonder why that is. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161206
On 6 Dec 2016 at 3:24, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > General Motors Co. stands to lose as much as $9,000 on every Chevrolet Bolt > that leaves a showroom once the all-electric subcompact starts rolling out ... I was under the impression that most entirely new cars (regardless of their motive source) were money-losers in their first years. That's supposedly why automakers prefer to build "new" models by adapting established bases, no? It keeps the tooling costs lower. But GM don't whine about new ICEVs losing money, only new EVs. Gosh, I wonder why that is. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161206
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EVLN: Each Bolt EV is a $9k money-loser for GM> to make money on ice models
General Motors Co. stands to lose as much as $9,000 on every Chevrolet Bolt
that leaves a showroom once the all-electric subcompact starts rolling out
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Kia Motors' electric car model Soul EV claimed the top position in monthly
sales in German electric car market last month and inches closer to
achieving sales ...
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