Re: [EVDL] EVtax: $150yr> unfair, punitive - FAIR -but EQUAL!

2018-10-15 Thread - - via EV
Idaho implemented a similar fee on plug-in hybrids ($75) and electric vehicles 
($140) about 3 years ago.

The EV fee is about the equivalent of driving 13,000 miles at 30 mpg. I drive 
enough in my EV to cover that, but I suspect that many drivers don't

Mike

> On October 15, 2018 at 9:03 AM Robert Bruninga via EV  mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org > wrote:
> 
> 
> It IS fair to add a road tax to EVs who have been getting a free ride on 
> the
> roads...
> While protecting the environment...
> 
> *BUT ONLY IF* they also add an environmental tax on ICEs who have been
> getting a free ride on the environment!
> 
> See: http://aprs.org/EV-and-gas-taxes.html
> 
> 
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> Subject: [EVDL] EVtax: $150yr> unfair, punitive, nil-revenue, EVs=
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> 
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> 
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVtax-150yr-75yr-for-pih-hevs-in-MS-v-tp4691385.html
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> 
> http://www.cdispatch.com/news/article.asp?aid=69145
> An unfair tax?: Drivers take issue with hybrid/electric car fees; 
> lawmakers
> claim they are reasonable in face of road, bridge crisis October 13, 2018
> Slim Smith
> 
> [image] Julie Carpenter of Columbus stands with the Toyota hybrid she has
> owned for two years. She learned last month she must pay an additional $75
> annual fee to the state for owning the car to help fund an Emergency Road
> and Bridge measure the Legislature passed in the August special session.
> Owners of fully electric vehicles will pay $150 each year. Photo by: Chris
> Jenkins/Special to The Dispatch
> 
> When Mike Buehler received a notice from the Mississippi Department of
> Revenue a week ago that he would be required to pay a fee for driving his
> 2014 Tesla each year, he bit his lip and did a little research before
> forming an opinion.
> 
> The verdict?
> "It's unfair," the Starkville radiologist said.
> 
> That opinion is likely shared by many of the 15,281 people who received
> similar notices last week informing them of the new fees assessed to 
> drivers
> of electric and hybrid cars. For hybrids that use both fuel and electric
> power, the fee is $75 annually. For electric cars that use no fuel, it's
> $150.
> 
> Owners of hybrid or electric cars will pay the fees at their county tax
> collector's office each year when they renew their license plate tag.
> 
> Unlike tag renewal fees, which go to fund city and county governments and
> local schools, all of the fees from the hybrid/electric car tax will go to
> the state's Emergency Road and Bridge Fund, which the Legislature
> established during a special session in August. The fees were included 
> with
> that legislation.
> 
> The measure earned near unanimous support, passing 110-4 in the House and
> 48-3 in the Senate. Every member of the Golden Triangle's legislative
> delegation favored the bill.
> 
> "I did receive some emails and text messages expressing dissatisfaction 
> with
> the fees, but given the dire needs of our roads and bridges, the fees seem
> reasonable to me," said state Sen. Angela Turner Ford (D-West Point).
> 
> Hybrid/electric car fees will make up a minute portion of the Emergency 
> Road
> and Bridge Fund, which lawmakers hope will produce an extra $110 million 
> for
> the state's roads and bridges each year. The bulk of that will come from
> bonded debt and revenue from a state lottery -- both of which also passed
> during the special session.
> 
> The new fund will supplement road and bridge money the state already
> receives from an 18-percent fuel tax drivers in the state pay at the pump.
> The hybrid/electric fees served as an alternative to increasing the fuel
> tax.
> 
> "I'll be honest, some of these hybrids get such good gas mileage that
> something was needed for them to pay their fair share," said state Sen.
> Chuck Younger (R-Columbus). "My preference all along was to raise the fuel
> tax, so really, as far as this part of it went, I could take it or leave 
> it.
> I think it's fair. Overall, we had to get something done and I don't think
> anybody was going to let the (hybrid/electric fee) get in the way of 
> that."
> 
> 'It's definitely punitive'
> 
> Although the legislation was passed in August, many of those affected by 
> the
> fees weren't aware until they received their notice from the Department of
> Revenue in September.
> 
> Columbus Realtor Julie Carpenter was among that group.
> 
> "I had no idea," said Carpenter, who has been driving her Toyota hybrid 
> for
> two years. 

Re: [EVDL] EVtax: $150yr> unfair, punitive - FAIR -but EQUAL!

2018-10-15 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
It IS fair to add a road tax to EVs who have been getting a free ride on the
roads...
While protecting the environment...

*BUT ONLY IF* they also add an environmental tax on ICEs who have been
getting a free ride on the environment!

See:  http://aprs.org/EV-and-gas-taxes.html


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http://www.cdispatch.com/news/article.asp?aid=69145
An unfair tax?: Drivers take issue with hybrid/electric car fees; lawmakers
claim they are reasonable in face of road, bridge crisis October 13, 2018
Slim Smith

[image]  Julie Carpenter of Columbus stands with the Toyota hybrid she has
owned for two years. She learned last month she must pay an additional $75
annual fee to the state for owning the car to help fund an Emergency Road
and Bridge measure the Legislature passed in the August special session.
Owners of fully electric vehicles will pay $150 each year. Photo by: Chris
Jenkins/Special to The Dispatch

When Mike Buehler received a notice from the Mississippi Department of
Revenue a week ago that he would be required to pay a fee for driving his
2014 Tesla each year, he bit his lip and did a little research before
forming an opinion.

The verdict?
"It's unfair," the Starkville radiologist said.

That opinion is likely shared by many of the 15,281 people who received
similar notices last week informing them of the new fees assessed to drivers
of electric and hybrid cars. For hybrids that use both fuel and electric
power, the fee is $75 annually. For electric cars that use no fuel, it's
$150.

Owners of hybrid or electric cars will pay the fees at their county tax
collector's office each year when they renew their license plate tag.

Unlike tag renewal fees, which go to fund city and county governments and
local schools, all of the fees from the hybrid/electric car tax will go to
the state's Emergency Road and Bridge Fund, which the Legislature
established during a special session in August. The fees were included with
that legislation.

The measure earned near unanimous support, passing 110-4 in the House and
48-3 in the Senate. Every member of the Golden Triangle's legislative
delegation favored the bill.

"I did receive some emails and text messages expressing dissatisfaction with
the fees, but given the dire needs of our roads and bridges, the fees seem
reasonable to me," said state Sen. Angela Turner Ford (D-West Point).

Hybrid/electric car fees will make up a minute portion of the Emergency Road
and Bridge Fund, which lawmakers hope will produce an extra $110 million for
the state's roads and bridges each year. The bulk of that will come from
bonded debt and revenue from a state lottery -- both of which also passed
during the special session.

The new fund will supplement road and bridge money the state already
receives from an 18-percent fuel tax drivers in the state pay at the pump.
The hybrid/electric fees served as an alternative to increasing the fuel
tax.

"I'll be honest, some of these hybrids get such good gas mileage that
something was needed for them to pay their fair share," said state Sen.
Chuck Younger (R-Columbus). "My preference all along was to raise the fuel
tax, so really, as far as this part of it went, I could take it or leave it.
I think it's fair. Overall, we had to get something done and I don't think
anybody was going to let the (hybrid/electric fee) get in the way of that."

'It's definitely punitive'

Although the legislation was passed in August, many of those affected by the
fees weren't aware until they received their notice from the Department of
Revenue in September.

Columbus Realtor Julie Carpenter was among that group.

"I had no idea," said Carpenter, who has been driving her Toyota hybrid for
two years. "I was shocked that I was going to be taxed for trying to be
environmentally friendly. I hope they don't find out I'm buying broccoli and
cauliflower and spinach. I might get taxed for trying to eat healthy, too."

Buehler said while he understands the stated purpose of the fee -- to ensure
that hybrid and electric car drivers pay their share for maintaining roads
and bridges -- he feels it is too high for those who drive electric cars.

"I understand that electric car drivers don't pay the fuel tax that other
people pay," Buehler said. "So I wanted to do the numbers and see what they
told me."

Buehler estimated that his 2014 Tesla, if converted to gasoline, would
average 50 miles per gallon. Based on his driving habits, he said he drives
12,000 miles per year, which would be 240 gallons per year. The state's 18.2
percent fuel tax would mean he would pay $43.68 in fuel taxes.

"But instead of that, I'll be paying $150 a year," Buehler said.