Re: [EVDL] Leaning narrow vehicle.
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV ev@lists.evdl.orgwrote: I don't know if any of you have seen the iLean concept bike. It uses bicycle cranks to make a leaning effect. I was thinking of doubling up the rear wheels using 4 20 inch hub motors. 72v. 80mph top speed. 8 to 11 kw battery pack. Aerodynamic body parts. It would be a 5 wheeled vehicle. I don't know if the iLean has progressed any farther than what's shown in the videos. It's a clever idea, but obviously simple enough for anyone to make at home. If you're looking for 80 mph top speed you need to think in terms of scooter/motorcycle components. It seems the M3E delivery trike already has that covered. I'm sure there are other examples out there too. I like the leaning concept over the C-1 Lit balancing concept. After a discussion with someone at Lit, I'm convinced no one, not even them, knows what the final product will act like. After some very confusing releases of info I asked directly if the C-1 would behave like a car (upright at all times) or a motorcycle (tilt). (I have seen no videos of a real C-1 leaning through a series of turns.) The response I got reveals that they have some very fundamental dynamics questions to answer, and they haven't fully grasped the magnitude of the problem they've bitten off. (Or if they have, they're keeping quiet about it to keep investors and buyers happy.) If (big IF) they release a production vehicle that tilts, expect it to feel alien to both motorcyclists and auto drivers and to come up short in its ability to deal with unusual circumstances. They are on very shaky ground technologically. I wish them luck and truly hope they prove me wrong, but I doubt it. Chris -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140526/2e82b396/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Leaning narrow vehicle.
I had something more like the Lynx in mind. It's a Carver variation. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140526/f728e4ec/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Leaning narrow vehicle.
Carver comes to mind... Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com Email: cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Chris Tromley via EV Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 4:04 AM To: Lawrence Rhodes; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leaning narrow vehicle. On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV ev@lists.evdl.orgwrote: I don't know if any of you have seen the iLean concept bike. It uses bicycle cranks to make a leaning effect. I was thinking of doubling up the rear wheels using 4 20 inch hub motors. 72v. 80mph top speed. 8 to 11 kw battery pack. Aerodynamic body parts. It would be a 5 wheeled vehicle. I don't know if the iLean has progressed any farther than what's shown in the videos. It's a clever idea, but obviously simple enough for anyone to make at home. If you're looking for 80 mph top speed you need to think in terms of scooter/motorcycle components. It seems the M3E delivery trike already has that covered. I'm sure there are other examples out there too. I like the leaning concept over the C-1 Lit balancing concept. After a discussion with someone at Lit, I'm convinced no one, not even them, knows what the final product will act like. After some very confusing releases of info I asked directly if the C-1 would behave like a car (upright at all times) or a motorcycle (tilt). (I have seen no videos of a real C-1 leaning through a series of turns.) The response I got reveals that they have some very fundamental dynamics questions to answer, and they haven't fully grasped the magnitude of the problem they've bitten off. (Or if they have, they're keeping quiet about it to keep investors and buyers happy.) If (big IF) they release a production vehicle that tilts, expect it to feel alien to both motorcyclists and auto drivers and to come up short in its ability to deal with unusual circumstances. They are on very shaky ground technologically. I wish them luck and truly hope they prove me wrong, but I doubt it. Chris -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140526/2e82 b396/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Leaning narrow vehicle.
I don't know if any of you have seen the iLean concept bike. It uses bicycle cranks to make a leaning effect. I was thinking of doubling up the rear wheels using 4 20 inch hub motors. 72v. 80mph top speed. 8 to 11 kw battery pack. Aerodynamic body parts. It would be a 5 wheeled vehicle. I like the leaning concept over the C-1 Lit balancing concept. It may not be as efficient but it will be able to carry more load be cheaper to design. I envision it being a bit long to carry one passenger or a set of skis with the seat folded down. It would have four wheel drive. Lawrence Rhodes. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140525/a90b6b5d/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
