Re: [EVDL] Designing in additional incentives to increase plugin purchases
On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:13 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: But, what if that plugin (EV or plug-in-hybrid) came with a built-in level-1 (L1) outlet powered by an inverter drawing from the vehicle's pack? I'd love to have some variation on this theme. Actually, I'll have a dedicated 30 A circuit for vehicle charging. It'd be great to be able to flip a switch and run that in reverse in case of power outages. My roof is already covered in solar panels, but it's a grid-tie system that shuts off instantly when the grid does so linemen don't get fried. But if I could isolate my house from the grid on demand and if the car could provide a sufficiently grid-like output to make the PV inverter think the grid was back up, I could still run the whole house (including air conditioning, which isn't exactly optional in the summer in Phoenix) during the day and then through the night from the car, possibly with the assist of the ICE (and a couple jack stands, as it'd be a direct-drive setup). I'd shut down everything non-essential, of course, and use the hibachi to cook instead of the electric stove / microwave / etc., but I generate enough excess that I'd be basically okay off the grid...if I could store enough to make it through the night. Is anybody aware of anything available today that would do something like this? Bonus points if it's available in a charger that I'd otherwise consider putting in the car b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140726/1838e8ef/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Designing in additional incentives to increase plugin purchases
I have a tiny 100 Watt 60 Hz AC inverter which runs on 12 V.DC which can fool the output of the solar system inverter, and the inverter will match the phase and frequency of the little inverter. Also I am an expert so I can create 240 V AC with 120 V. AC But an electrician can't do what I can do to prevent the 240 V. AC from backfeeding the utilities wires. That has to be done, because I will not kill a lineman. This is not a project for a Handyman ! It is easy for me, but I don't work for free. Dennis Lee Miles (*evprofes...@evprofessor.com evprofes...@evprofessor.com)* * Founder:**EV Tech. Institute Inc.* *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913 (12 noon to 12 midnight Eastern US Time)* *Educating yourself, does not mean you were **stupid; it means, you are intelligent enough, **to know, that there is plenty left to learn!* * You Tube Video link: http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss * On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 9:02 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:13 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: But, what if that plugin (EV or plug-in-hybrid) came with a built-in level-1 (L1) outlet powered by an inverter drawing from the vehicle's pack? I'd love to have some variation on this theme. Actually, I'll have a dedicated 30 A circuit for vehicle charging. It'd be great to be able to flip a switch and run that in reverse in case of power outages. My roof is already covered in solar panels, but it's a grid-tie system that shuts off instantly when the grid does so linemen don't get fried. But if I could isolate my house from the grid on demand and if the car could provide a sufficiently grid-like output to make the PV inverter think the grid was back up, I could still run the whole house (including air conditioning, which isn't exactly optional in the summer in Phoenix) during the day and then through the night from the car, possibly with the assist of the ICE (and a couple jack stands, as it'd be a direct-drive setup). I'd shut down everything non-essential, of course, and use the hibachi to cook instead of the electric stove / microwave / etc., but I generate enough excess that I'd be basically okay off the grid...if I could store enough to make it through the night. Is anybody aware of anything available today that would do something like this? Bonus points if it's available in a charger that I'd otherwise consider putting in the car b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140726/1838e8ef/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140726/6dc05a3d/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Designing in additional incentives to increase plugin purchases
On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:45 PM, Dennis Miles dmiles33...@gmail.com wrote: I have a tiny 100 Watt 60 Hz AC inverter which runs on 12 V.DC which can fool the output of the solar system inverter, and the inverter will match the phase and frequency of the little inverter. Also I am an expert so I can create 240 V AC with 120 V. AC But an electrician can't do what I can do to prevent the 240 V. AC from backfeeding the utilities wires. That has to be done, because I will not kill a lineman. This is not a project for a Handyman ! It is easy for me, but I don't work for free. No chance would I even think to attempt to build such a gizmo. Linemen have a bad enough job already without worrying about idiots like me -- and, around here, they're frankly amazing. We get lots of city-scale thunderstorms here, especially this time of year, and yet the power basically never goes out. When it does, a *long* outage is an hour. They're out there in the pouring rain and blowing wind, fixing wires with an ungodly amount of power flowing through them, and they make it look easy. Anything I put in would either be approved by the utility for direct grid tie same as the PV inverter -- and, by, approved, I mean they come out and inspect it and sign off on it, same as they did for the PV system -- or I'd turn off the main breakers on both the meter and the panel before even physically connecting the gizmo. And put giant neon warning labels up and tape across the breakers. I'd still be interested in such a system -- assuming, of course, there's a graceful way to get the power back out of the car's battery b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140726/fb588ad3/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
