Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

[Mr. Sharkey via EV]

> -EVSEs have safety interlocks that prevent EVs from
> going into drive while charging

Actually, the J1722 protocols don't say anything about defeating 
vehicle motion. If such an inhibit feature is implemented, it's 
taking place in the vehicle's circuits sensing that the charging 
handle is inserted in the charge port. A simple mechanical or 
proximity switch is all that's needed, or monitoring for the J1722 
pilot signal, although this would be less fail-safe.


Liquid fuel pumps have breakaway sections in the hose. Crude, but 
effective, although this seldom prevents damage to the pump (and the 
vehicle) in the event of a driveaway while fueling.


Re; Grocery store rewards. I'd much rather have lower food prices 
than have a retailer encouraging fossil fuel use, or even driving in 
general. Besides, the fuel islands at the store are always too 
crowded with "rewards" seekers, and the approach and exit isles to 
the station are inconvenient. I'll pay a few pennies more and buy 
motor fuel in a more relaxed atmosphere.


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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

[Haudy Kazemi via EV]

In terms of costs...

-how much of EV driver grocery bills went to pay for fuel rewards perks
programs that give 10-20-30 cents off per gallon? (Now if only I could
apply fuel rewards perks as credit on an EVSE...)

-how much of urban bicyclist grocery bills went to pay for large parking
lots, lot lighting and general maintenance?

Also:
-EVSEs have safety interlocks that prevent EVs from going into drive while
charging. A fuel dispenser could also require something equivalent to the
J1772 standard before it would begin fuel flow. Incompatible vehicles would
need to be upgraded/retrofited first.
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

[Mr. Sharkey via EV]

> They're looking at it wrong. They're not giving away free fuel, they're
> encouraging people to use EVs.  That saves the city, and its taxpayers,
> money in the long run.

Hypocrisy Alert!

This same utility offers rebates for home EVSE installation, has held 
multiple EV demonstrations in various cities (they cover three 
counties), purchases EV's for their fleet (the most recent being an 
EV delivery van), and always has EV's in the annual festival parade 
down Highway 101. Every month, the newsletter that they publish 
arrives in the mail with the current bill, and often as not, there's 
a descriptive article about EV's. Their offices have an entire rack 
of literature and handout magazines touting EV's and specific EV brands.


Of course, all of these efforts come with a cost to the utility, 
time, materials, employee overtime, etc. I doubt that they were 
totalling up more than a few dollars a month in wholesale energy 
costs for the light use that their free EVSE consumed.


When I first dropped in and connected my car, the front counter 
attendants rushed out to take turns taking pictures of themselves and 
me with the car. Up until that point, the only users of the pedestals 
they had seen were the utility's own fleet vehicles.


Anyway, back on-topic:

It's entertaining to suggest a drip-feeder approach to installing 
free gas and diesel supply systems in addition to the free EVSE to 
circumvent the NC ordinances, but it would be assumed that there are 
stringent regulations in place already for delivery of flammable and 
combustible motor fuels. Storage, leak monitoring, explosion-proof 
electrical supplies, and the big stickler, weights-and-measured 
inspected and certified delivery pumps. Retail fuel delivery is a 
well-controlled business, and even when giving the product away for 
nothing, the rules would likely still apply. Imagine the insurance costs!


The bottom line is: This bill is probably the work and results of 
lobbyists hounding the state legislature on the behalf of some large 
money-grubbing corporation. Or worse, a large, money-grubbing 
industry association.


When I was involved in the formation of a largely successful biofuels 
manufacturer, we used to joke about getting big enough to have a 
lobbyist in Salem. Then when we got big enough, yeah, we got one, for 
sure. The result, in part, was a diesel renewable fuel mandate at the 
state level.


Did we get fought? Yeah, some, but the petroleum jobbers in the state 
knew that biofuels were coming, and that there was profit to be made 
in manufacturing, transportation, blending, and sales of the product. 
With that support, it became law.


Sadly, just like there are no free fossil fuels, there is unlikely to 
be widespread free EVSE. Stomping on individuals or businesses that 
decide to give instead of take is obviously very Grinch-like. Shame.


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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

[EV List Lackey via EV]

On 10 Jul 2022 at 13:15, Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote:

> Management thought that is was discriminatory to provide free fuel to
> some customers, and not others, 

They're looking at it wrong. They're not giving away free fuel, they're 
encouraging people to use EVs.  That saves the city, and its taxpayers,  
money in the long run.

Cities and towns give tax breaks to corporations in return for the 
corporations locating in their city or town, and thus providng jobs and 
(supposedly) more taxes  Leaving aside the fact that that usually doesn't 
work, nobody calls that discriminatory, even though it favors one 
corporation and not another.

Last time I checked, gasoline users and ICEV drivers weren't  protected 
minorities. Quite the opposite; they're the vast majority.  EV owners?  Now 
THERE'S a minority that should be protected from discrimination.  

> but *mostly* because they didn't want to compete with the other paid
> charging stations in town (all two of those). 

Why shouldn't they compete with for-profit charging?  Their crews repair the 
roads, competing with for-profit asphalt companies, and no one blinks an 
eye.  They run a police force, competing with private security, and that's 
not a problem. Why should EV charging be different?

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

[Mr. Sharkey via EV]

> requires both public and private locations where EV
> charging is offered to provide "gasoline or diesel fuel for motor
> vehicles through a pump to the public at no charge

The local electric utility (it's a PUD) installed two free 30 Amp 
EVSE pedestals at their office in town some time back. They made the 
classic mistake of placing the units ~exactly~ outside the entry 
door, so of course they were frequently ICE'd by other patrons. No 
signage, oh well.


While plugging in, I used to tease curious ICE customers that "the 
free gasoline (or diesel) pumps were being installed next month". 
Some of them took it seriously.


In Fall of 2020, both were removed. When I inquired why they had been 
removed from public use and replaced with Chargepoint stations (still 
exactly outside the front door), I was told that Management thought 
that is was discriminatory to provide free fuel to some customers, 
and not others, but *mostly* because they didn't want to compete with 
the other paid charging stations in town (all two of those). I 
pointed out that by giving away free charging, that they weren't 
competing with anyone, but now that they had paid EVSE, they were.


The removed pedestals were reinstalled behind the automatic-gate 
locked employee enclosure for the use of the workers in the office. I 
guess that's not considered competition...


Screw 'em, I charge at home on energy I produce myself.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

[Robert Johnston via EV]

Use a locker-style coin operated lock - Insert a quarter (or even just a
penny as a fuck you) to unlock the charging plug. Then you're charging for
the use of the EVSE, and you don't have to provide anything to ICEs.

On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 at 01:27, EV List Lackey via EV 
wrote:

> On 9 Jul 2022 at 21:13, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
>
> > Who says you'd need to provide an *automatic* pump?
> > Install a hand crank pump that is geared to provide an ounce of gas
> > every 5 minutes of hard cranking and you have met the required
>
> Well, you don't have to hand-crank a generator to charge an EV, so that
> might not meet the legal requirement for equivalence.
>
> Besides, you don't even need to give them that much fuel in 5 minutes, as
> we'll see in a moment.
>
> But I think you're on the right track.
>
> Let's say you provide a free 10kW EVSE.  It (obviously) dispenses 10kWh
> per
> hour.  Ten kWh is the energy yield of 0.29931 gallons of gasoline, or
> about
> 4.8 ounces.  So to comply with this law, you'd need a gasoline pump that
> dispenses 4.8 ounces of free gasoline per hour, or 0.4 ounces in that 5
> minutes you mentioned.
>
> If your store was open from 8am to 10pm daily, that's 14 hours, or 4.19
> gallons of gasoline daily, assuming that you had gas-burning customers
> connected to your "ICESE" the entire time you were open.
>
> You could handle that by just swinging by the filling station with a 5
> gallon can - and about $25 - on your way to the store in the morning.
>
> But you probably wouldn't have to do that often, or for long.  I suspect
> that the jacked-up pickup jerks would descend on you and tap your ICESE
> daily for maybe a week. Pretty soon they'd get bored and wander off to
> take
> part in the next propaganda-TV-manufactured outrage.
>
> So about 95% of the time your ICESE would sit there in the parking lot,
> wasting space and upkeep money.  But you'd be complying with the law!
>
> It seems to me that you could also comply with the law by charging for
> charging. I don't know what commercial accounts pay, but here in Ohio I
> pay
> 6.57 cents per residential kWh.  How about a coin-operated EVSE for your
> customers?  Drop in 3 quarters and you get an hour of charging.  Or charge
> a
> buck and make a profit.
>
> Anyway, let's hope that cooler heads prevail, and they don't actually pass
> this infantile temper-tantrum law.
>
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

[EV List Lackey via EV]

On 9 Jul 2022 at 21:13, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:

> Who says you'd need to provide an *automatic* pump?
> Install a hand crank pump that is geared to provide an ounce of gas
> every 5 minutes of hard cranking and you have met the required

Well, you don't have to hand-crank a generator to charge an EV, so that 
might not meet the legal requirement for equivalence.  

Besides, you don't even need to give them that much fuel in 5 minutes, as 
we'll see in a moment.

But I think you're on the right track.  

Let's say you provide a free 10kW EVSE.  It (obviously) dispenses 10kWh per 
hour.  Ten kWh is the energy yield of 0.29931 gallons of gasoline, or about 
4.8 ounces.  So to comply with this law, you'd need a gasoline pump that 
dispenses 4.8 ounces of free gasoline per hour, or 0.4 ounces in that 5 
minutes you mentioned.

If your store was open from 8am to 10pm daily, that's 14 hours, or 4.19 
gallons of gasoline daily, assuming that you had gas-burning customers 
connected to your "ICESE" the entire time you were open.  

You could handle that by just swinging by the filling station with a 5 
gallon can - and about $25 - on your way to the store in the morning.

But you probably wouldn't have to do that often, or for long.  I suspect 
that the jacked-up pickup jerks would descend on you and tap your ICESE 
daily for maybe a week. Pretty soon they'd get bored and wander off to take 
part in the next propaganda-TV-manufactured outrage.  

So about 95% of the time your ICESE would sit there in the parking lot, 
wasting space and upkeep money.  But you'd be complying with the law!

It seems to me that you could also comply with the law by charging for 
charging. I don't know what commercial accounts pay, but here in Ohio I pay 
6.57 cents per residential kWh.  How about a coin-operated EVSE for your 
customers?  Drop in 3 quarters and you get an hour of charging.  Or charge a 
buck and make a profit.

Anyway, let's hope that cooler heads prevail, and they don't actually pass 
this infantile temper-tantrum law.  

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

[Peri Hartman via EV]

I love that idea. Totally meets the law but circumvents the problem.

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Who says you'd need to provide an *automatic* pump?
Install a hand crank pump that is geared to provide an ounce of gas
every 5 minutes of hard cranking and you have met the required
install, I doubt you will lose a gallon of gas a month through that
pump, even though it dispenses at the same rate as the free electric
"pump"...
Cor.

On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 3:23 PM John Lussmyer via EV  wrote:


 On Sat Jul 09 10:25:51 PDT 2022 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
 >> this act." ... it requires both public and private locations where EV
 >> charging is offered to provide "gasoline or diesel fuel for motor
 >> vehicles through a pump to the public at no charge," so other drivers
 >> can make use of those stations as well.

 I think some people should do exactly that.  Provide free Gas/Diesel under the 
same terms as their EV chargers.
 1KWH is say, 20c, so their fuel pump will dispense 20c of fuel an hour.


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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

[Cor van de Water via EV]

Who says you'd need to provide an *automatic* pump?
Install a hand crank pump that is geared to provide an ounce of gas
every 5 minutes of hard cranking and you have met the required
install, I doubt you will lose a gallon of gas a month through that
pump, even though it dispenses at the same rate as the free electric
"pump"...
Cor.

On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 3:23 PM John Lussmyer via EV  wrote:
>
> On Sat Jul 09 10:25:51 PDT 2022 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
> >> this act." ... it requires both public and private locations where EV
> >> charging is offered to provide "gasoline or diesel fuel for motor
> >> vehicles through a pump to the public at no charge," so other drivers
> >> can make use of those stations as well.
>
> I think some people should do exactly that.  Provide free Gas/Diesel under 
> the same terms as their EV chargers.
> 1KWH is say, 20c, so their fuel pump will dispense 20c of fuel an hour.
>
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

[paul dove via EV]

Now! That is not new! Most prices were fixed during WW2


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On Saturday, July 9, 2022, 5:07 PM, Mark Grasser via EV  
wrote:

Sorry David, I must.

I find it interesting that the government has now decided it can tell
privately owned retailers what they can offer the public.

Mark

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On 9 Jul 2022 at 20:47, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

> That's pretty regressive. 

Ya think? :-\

> Do you suspect there is some strong lobbying from the petroleum
> industry ? 

Could be.  It might also be modern politics.  I refuse to get into partisan 
stuff here, but there's a certain (often young) contingent I won't identify 
or discuss who are sort of the scrubbed-up suit-and-tie equivalent of the 
coal-rollers and EVSE-blockaders.  

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

[Michael Ross via EV]

I am speculating, but I do live in central NC and have 5.6KW on my roof
since 2013. Duke Power wants to get rid of all the promotional stuff for
solar power here. I have been on net metering 1:1 getting paid the same as
I pay. They are trying to end that. Some years ago they proposed paying us
$0.02/KWH when we pay $0.11/KWH. That fell through. But Duke carries a lot
of clout in the wholly, and egregiously conservative legislature here. They
probably see an opportunity and are pushing it once again.

Free EV charging is just another energy angle that Duke has little control
over and that is their MO: they like solar just fine as long as it is under
their thumb, NC makes the second greatest amount of solar power after CA
(could be dated info), but most of it is utility scale very little that is
residential. Duke controls that and that is how they like it.

On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 4:47 PM Peri Hartman via EV 
wrote:

> That's pretty regressive. Do you suspect there is some strong lobbying
> from the petroleum industry ? :) Fortunately, that's an extreme case
> among the states.
> Peri
>
> << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "EV List Lackey via EV" 
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Cc: "EV List Lackey" 
> Sent: 09-Jul-22 10:25:51
> Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging
>
> >You couldn't make something like this up; nobody would believe it.  On
> >second thought, make that "nobody in a sane state or nation would believe
> >it."
> >
> >PS - North Carolina already charges EV owners an extra $130 per year for
> the
> >privilege of helping clean up NC's air.
> >
> >>  North Carolina Lawmaker Want to Scrap Free EV Charging Stations
> >>
> >>  The 'Equitable Free Vehicle Fuel Stations' bill allocates up to
> >>  $50,000 to remove charging stations.
> >
> >>  The bill ... includes a number of provisions intended to discourage
> >>  the installation of free electric vehicle (EV) charging stations ...
> >>  [it includes] up to $50,000 for "the purpose of removing any electric
> >>  vehicle charging stations that do not comply with the provisions of
> >>  this act." ... it requires both public and private locations where EV
> >>  charging is offered to provide "gasoline or diesel fuel for motor
> >>  vehicles through a pump to the public at no charge," so other drivers
> >>  can make use of those stations as well.
> >
> >Full story:
> >
> >https://www.pcmag.com/news/nc-reps-want-to-scrap-ev-charging-stations
> >
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

[Mark Grasser via EV]

Sorry David, I must.

I find it interesting that the government has now decided it can tell
privately owned retailers what they can offer the public.

Mark

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On 9 Jul 2022 at 20:47, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

> That's pretty regressive. 

Ya think? :-\

> Do you suspect there is some strong lobbying from the petroleum
> industry ? 

Could be.  It might also be modern politics.  I refuse to get into partisan 
stuff here, but there's a certain (often young) contingent I won't identify 
or discuss who are sort of the scrubbed-up suit-and-tie equivalent of the 
coal-rollers and EVSE-blockaders.  

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

[Peter Eckhoff via EV]

I hear what you are saying but I don't think it is that regressive.  I
think of it more along the lines of getting rid of "Free Gasoline" as
the number of ICE vehicles increases.  You have to make those gasoline
stations self supporting and maintainable.

A "fill up" of electrons is not that expensive from a SuperCharger
network.  I've paid anywhere from $8 to $12 for that privilege.
Compare that to filling up a 10 gallon Prius tank where gasoline is
around $4.50/gallon; Electricity is cheap and definitely affordable
for now.

I think I would like to see subsidies be in place until we are "Energy
Independent".  We currently use about 17 MBO a day but only produce 12
to 13 MBO a day.  We know we can't drill our way out of this
predicament and we were importing some of that oil from Russia.

PS.  The $140.25 that I pay in lieu of gasoline state sales tax goes
toward road infrastructure.


On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 4:47 PM Peri Hartman via EV  wrote:
>
> That's pretty regressive. Do you suspect there is some strong lobbying
> from the petroleum industry ? :) Fortunately, that's an extreme case
> among the states.
> Peri
>
> << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "EV List Lackey via EV" 
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Cc: "EV List Lackey" 
> Sent: 09-Jul-22 10:25:51
> Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging
>
> >You couldn't make something like this up; nobody would believe it.  On
> >second thought, make that "nobody in a sane state or nation would believe
> >it."
> >
> >PS - North Carolina already charges EV owners an extra $130 per year for the
> >privilege of helping clean up NC's air.
> >
> >>  North Carolina Lawmaker Want to Scrap Free EV Charging Stations
> >>
> >>  The 'Equitable Free Vehicle Fuel Stations' bill allocates up to
> >>  $50,000 to remove charging stations.
> >
> >>  The bill ... includes a number of provisions intended to discourage
> >>  the installation of free electric vehicle (EV) charging stations ...
> >>  [it includes] up to $50,000 for "the purpose of removing any electric
> >>  vehicle charging stations that do not comply with the provisions of
> >>  this act." ... it requires both public and private locations where EV
> >>  charging is offered to provide "gasoline or diesel fuel for motor
> >>  vehicles through a pump to the public at no charge," so other drivers
> >>  can make use of those stations as well.
> >
> >Full story:
> >
> >https://www.pcmag.com/news/nc-reps-want-to-scrap-ev-charging-stations
> >
> >David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

[EV List Lackey via EV]

On 9 Jul 2022 at 20:47, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

> That's pretty regressive. 

Ya think? :-\

> Do you suspect there is some strong lobbying from the petroleum
> industry ? 

Could be.  It might also be modern politics.  I refuse to get into partisan 
stuff here, but there's a certain (often young) contingent I won't identify 
or discuss who are sort of the scrubbed-up suit-and-tie equivalent of the 
coal-rollers and EVSE-blockaders.  

David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey

To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it.  Use my 
offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging

[Peri Hartman via EV]

That's pretty regressive. Do you suspect there is some strong lobbying 
from the petroleum industry ? :) Fortunately, that's an extreme case 
among the states.

Peri

<< Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>

-- Original Message --
From: "EV List Lackey via EV" 
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Sent: 09-Jul-22 10:25:51
Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: NC wants to eliminate free EV charging


You couldn't make something like this up; nobody would believe it.  On
second thought, make that "nobody in a sane state or nation would believe
it."

PS - North Carolina already charges EV owners an extra $130 per year for the
privilege of helping clean up NC's air.


 North Carolina Lawmaker Want to Scrap Free EV Charging Stations

 The 'Equitable Free Vehicle Fuel Stations' bill allocates up to
 $50,000 to remove charging stations.



 The bill ... includes a number of provisions intended to discourage
 the installation of free electric vehicle (EV) charging stations ...
 [it includes] up to $50,000 for "the purpose of removing any electric
 vehicle charging stations that do not comply with the provisions of
 this act." ... it requires both public and private locations where EV
 charging is offered to provide "gasoline or diesel fuel for motor
 vehicles through a pump to the public at no charge," so other drivers
 can make use of those stations as well.


Full story:

https://www.pcmag.com/news/nc-reps-want-to-scrap-ev-charging-stations

David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey


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