Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile (4 cents average)
>>> Actually that 3 cent rate is a bait-and-switch. They give you two meters. >>> And then if you take the 3 cent off-peak charging, then your house ON >>> peak rate goes way up to 17 cents (from ten)... >> >>I agree that the "time of use" rate may not be a cost savings depending >>upon your other loads. > >That's one of the rare cases where something like a Tesla Powerwall may be cost effective. Agree! Home battery storage can pay for itself in only 2 years IF AND ONLY WHEN the PSC and utility will actually pay the homeowner the true cost of the electricity when they draw it back. (or in this case where one uses ON-PEAK electricity in a high cost area but gets a deep discontut off peak. In my area, TOU was 10 cents daytime and 2 cents at night. Great! Then they deregulated and the rates becamse 12 cents peak and 10 cents off-peak. Not worth the trouble! Maryland offers a 30% tax credit for Powerwalls and Home energy storage, BUT THEN HAS NOTHING IN PLACE TO USE THEM! Customers are being sucked into to buying huge batteries just to have them sit there for the average 4 hour outage once a year (about $1 worth of lost electicity). Cleary the progressive idea of home battery was there, but no followthorught to change the billilng system to PAY homeowners premium for the value of that on-peak electricity. The local utility DOES pay $1.25 per kWh for every kWh you *do-not* use on peak grid days, but that is only 5 days a year. But it proves to every Maryland resident that there is VALUE in having access to peak battery power when the billing system catches up to it. Bob, WB4aPR ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile (4 cents average)
On Wed May 22 12:12:36 PDT 2019 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >On 5/22/19 3:08 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: >> Actually that 3 cent rate is a bait-and-switch. They give you two meters. >> And then if you take the 3 cent off-peak charging, then your house ON peak >> rate goes way up to 17 cents (from ten)... >> > >I agree that the "time of use" rate may not be a cost savings depending >upon your other loads. That's one of the rare cases where something like a Tesla Powerwall may be cost effective. -- Bobcats and Cougars, oh my! http://john.casadelgato.com/Pets ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile (4 cents average)
Actually that 3 cent rate is a bait-and-switch. They give you two meters. And then if you take the 3 cent off-peak charging, then your house ON peak rate goes way up to 17 cents (from ten)... Bob -Original Message- From: EV On Behalf Of jim--- via EV Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 12:37 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: j...@k6ccc.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile (4 cents average) Bob said (in part): > For a pure EV. Yes, they pay 28 cents per kwh for that 13% of the > time, but all the rest of the time they pay very reduced rates overnight. Our > utility offers EV charging overnight at 3 cents per kWh. That's almost > TEN TIMES cheaper than when they charge on the road. Consider yourself lucky that you get that low of an off-peak rate. Ours is either 12 or 13 cents depending on Summer or Winter for the overnight TOU rate. 73 - Jim Walls - K6CCC j...@k6ccc.org ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile (4 cents average)
Bob said (in part): > For a pure EV. Yes, they pay 28 cents per kwh for that 13% of the time, > but all the rest of the time they pay very reduced rates overnight. Our > utility offers EV charging overnight at 3 cents per kWh. That's almost > TEN TIMES cheaper than when they charge on the road. Consider yourself lucky that you get that low of an off-peak rate. Ours is either 12 or 13 cents depending on Summer or Winter for the overnight TOU rate. 73 - Jim Walls - K6CCC j...@k6ccc.org ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile (4 cents average)
People rarely do the math. Say they do a 660 mile trip 3 times a year and they drive the normal American 15,000 miles a year, then the trip mileage is only 13% of their total usage. Miniscule. For a pure EV. Yes, they pay 28 cents per kwh for that 13% of the time, but all the rest of the time they pay very reduced rates overnight. Our utility offers EV charging overnight at 3 cents per kWh. That's almost TEN TIMES cheaper than when they charge on the road. So 87% of 3 cents and 13% of 28 cents AVERAGES to 6 cents per kWh or about 2 cents a mile Even if they pay 10 cents per kWh, then the annual average electricity cost is 12.3 cents per kWh or about 4 cents a mile. Who cares that they spend a little extra on trips when the annual average cost is so low. And for my family, daughter has a Prius Prime who's daily use is under 30 miles and my Volt for my 35 mile days. And at 87% electric, I'm still only 13% the environmental concerns of a gas car. Bob -Original Message- From: EV On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 10:49 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Peri Hartman Subject: Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile You may be right, though you aren't taking into account the other factors, most importantly the long term maintenance. However, I think the bigger factor is the amount of time you need to spend charging on a long road trip. If you only drive 200 or so miles a day, no problem. You can charge at night. But if you are like most people and drive 500+, you'll need at least two charging stops, which will add a few hours to your travel. You might be able to combine that with meal stops or point of interest stops, but I don't think the infrastructure is that opportune yet. In the future, when we have faster charging and competition on kWh pricing, I hope we'll be on the other side of the inflection point. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Hanson via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Mark Hanson" Sent: 22-May-19 7:06:20 AM Subject: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile >Hi folks >It seems that it's cheaper for taking long road trips to buy a Prius Prime vs a pricier Tesla or Bolt with a 60kwh battery pack and pay an average of 28c per kWh average on the road at level 3 fast charging stations. We have shorter range cheaper EVs (Spark bought 1 year old for $14k and Leaf $9.2k). At $3 a gallon/50 = 6c per mile and at 28c per kWh / 4 (ac meas)= 7c per mile in a long range EV (also have to pay $40k for the car with the 60kwh or so battery pack). Maybe it's better for the environment to drive a long range EV but for your wallet the Prius Prime and a shorter range EV for 90% miles local trips makes more sense. >Have a renewable energy day, >Mark >Www.Reevadiy.org > >Sent from my iPhone >___ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
