Re: [Evangelism] promoting WPD
In Albuquerque, we've never had more than a Plone Users luncheon or happy hour. We took a baby step last year by using WPD to hold a Python/Zope/Plone open house. Our corporate daily newsletter gave us a paragraph to explain that we were discussing content management and web solutions to a variety of problems. Our attendees were most of the local Python community and many from the corporate web group. Only when someone arrived did they then learn that the event was a WPD one. This year we're going to expand our outreach into the broader community, involve other Plone shops, and see how it goes. I like the idea that Plone is quick web communication. I also think we'll emphasize the intersection of web content management, social software collaboration, and enterprise portal capabilities. If you explicitly promote WPD, I think you must be prepared to immediately follow that up by answering the question, What the heck is a Plone and why should I care? We dodged that by calling the event one thing and using WPD as the motivation, rationale, and the international glue. -- Karl Chris Calloway wrote: On 3/11/2009 1:35 PM, Scott Paley wrote: Thinking more about this though, who does WPD target? Are we trying to target those who don't have any idea what a CMS is? -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/promoting-WPD-tp2461384p2466579.html Sent from the Evangelism mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
[Evangelism] RE: conferences where Plone should be represented
Hi Nate, I'll be attending the Open source business conference: http://www.infoworld.com/event/osbc/09/osbc_register.html this will be my first. Can I ask for advice as to what is the most effective way to promote Plone at these kinds of events? Thanks Virginia ~~ Virginia Choy Business Development Manager PretaWeb - Plone Open Source Enterprise Web Solutions W: www.pretaweb.com E: virgi...@pretaweb.com A: 21/29 East Crescent St, McMahons Pt, Sydney Australia P: 61-2-9955-2830 M: 61-423-198-306 -Original Message- From: Nate Aune [mailto:na...@jazkarta.com] Sent: Friday, 6 March 2009 5:36 AM To: evangelism@lists.plone.org Cc: Francesco Ciriaci; Christian Scholz; Gerry Kirk; Karl Horak; Gabrielle Hendryx-Parker; Jordan Baker; Chris Johnson; Mark Corum; Alexander Limi; Virginia Choy; Matt Hamilton Subject: conferences where Plone should be represented Another point is maybe about conferences. There are many Open Source conferences around the world and mostly those are held without Plone (or even Python) participation. I don't know how the Drupal or PHP guys do that in general (of course they are more, that might be an advantage) but they seem to be everywhere. From my experience it's not always top talks but I think being present is the most important part. It also seems they also quite often have some sort of subconference there or some separate track. Not sure how we can make this better but maybe somebody has ideas :-) Has anyone other important conferences where Plone should be? We could take note and have a list managed in our Openplans wiki. I started a wiki page with a list of conferences we should be attending, and I think there's a Google Calendar as well. Here is the Google Calendar: http://www.google.com/calendar/hosted/jazkarta.com/embed?src=plone.org_2k0 sm4v9jh926hkajuh96o6mi0%40group.calendar.google.comctz=America/New_York If you would like access to add events to this calendar, let me know and I can share it with you. Here is the wiki page which has a list of some events, feel free to add more events to this list. http://www.openplans.org/projects/plone-marketing/conferences-and-events Nate -- Nate Aune - na...@jazkarta.com http://nateaune.com (personal blog) http://jazkarta.com (open source technology solutions) http://twitter.com/natea (daily updates) Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.7 - Release Date: 3/03/2009 12:00 AM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.7 - Release Date: 3/03/2009 12:00 AM ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
[Evangelism] Upcoming Event: Multilingual Web Sites
I'm forwarding this email from the w3c international list. This panel on multilingual cms should be of interest to either the Madrid/Barcelona Plone community or any European PloneGov members if not the larger Plone community as well. I'm interested in the discussion which will take place but will not be able to travel to Madrid for this two-hour panel discussion. If someone does attended please contact me. Ed Manlove Original Message Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:38:56 -0700 (PDT) From: M.T. Carrasco Benitez mtcarras...@yahoo.com Subject: Multilingual Web Sites Sender: www-international-requ...@w3.org To: www-internatio...@w3.org This panel is in Madrid on 23 April 2009 in the context of WWW2009 http://www.multilingualwebsites.org/panel2009.html http://www2009.org Are particularly invited people with knowledge of software such as: - Browsers: Chrome, Firefox, IE, Opera, Safari - Servers: Apache, IIS, lighttpd, nginx - CMS: Drupal, MoinMoin For the gory details look at the chair memo http://www.multilingualwebsites.org/oamws.pdf Regards Tomas ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
Re: [Evangelism] promoting WPD
Chris, This is probably the most astute comments on Plone I've read. Plone does have a marketing value proposition problems. It should either admit its an ECM/consultantware/framework (which is more or less how we at Pretaweb market it now), or ... well I don't think are many other niches left for it. With marketing as an ECM Plone has lost its opportunity with Alfresco getting traction with it's The open source ECM slogan. Plone is possibly the only openly developed high bus number ECM but that's harder to market. Either way plone doesn't market itself like this so any individual effort isn't very effective. In terms of making plone approachable to developers I've been being trying my best to muddle through ways to get some of this done in the last year. With documentation, I've agitated on teh documentation list and individuals the conference and managed to piss some people off but at the same time with pushing from plenty of others I think the direction is better with a focus on manuals being the only official documentation. The single understandable developer manual is still too daunting however for the doc team to consider and I agree it shouldn't come from the doc team but the developers. Myself and Rok Garbas have been trying to get buyin for a sphnix based way of publishing plone developer documentation, with the idea that if plone documentation in svn is visible then it will get written better (or at all). There are political problems there too. but perhaps your monetarism idea is what is needed. Perhaps developer documentation needs to officially taken away from teh docteam and given to core developers. All I can think of saying is we need more people like you saying these things Also I'm working on a tool called hostout to make hosting more manageable for amateurs. Making plone simple enough for amateurs is the only way to grow the community and survive I think. --- Dylan Jay, Plone Solutions Manager www.pretaweb.com tel:+61299552830 mob:+61421477460 skype:dylan_jay -Original Message- From: evangelism-boun...@lists.plone.org [mailto:evangelism-boun...@lists.plone.org] On Behalf Of Chris Calloway Sent: Thursday, 12 March 2009 12:07 PM To: evangelism@lists.plone.org Subject: Re: [Evangelism] promoting WPD On 3/11/2009 3:00 PM, Calvin Hendryx-Parker wrote: I'd be interested in hearing as many of these stories as possible so we can help others not make the same mistakes. I bet that rarely Plone was the issue, but the people involved in the project just didn't know what power they really had. I could be wrong and would still love to leverage this info if possible. You'd like to hear about it on this list? With open archives? I think you'd be asking for blog-fodder for our competitors. Because they really aren't stories about people not knowing what power they had. And a lot of it was to do with Plone, its community, and its culture. This is why I don't have a blog. :) I'd be glad to give you private run downs. I'm sure I have given you some already. :) I'm sure some are well know to you already because you swim in these waters, Calvin. The biggest horror story is one I'm not supposed to even talk about. It's not like everybody around the Triangle doesn't know it. It's just that it involved a couple million dollars of charitable funds and some highly placed people lost their jobs over it. So all the observers have been asked to have respect for the dead and shut up. By their bosses. And it just gets talked about privately, usually by the bosses with the checkbooks whenever someone brings up Plone because it is some damn succulent gossip. But I can *categorize* some of the main problems on this list, starting with the aforementioned case and some others like it. The number one problem has been great variability in the abilities and ethics of consulting companies operating in the area. Not yours. Yours and a couple of others have been the mop up people called in to clean up some of the previous disasters. Most of the crap companies have been outed and have left the area, leaving behind only their legacy of don't-use-Plone in their wake. But we have at least one problem company still muddying the waters here. As you might see, there would liability in telling enough of the story to identify that company. Anyway, that problem is kind of taking care of itself. The bad companies have been identified and blacklisted. But not without leaving long term problems for Plone marketing in my locality. Plone got started in a big way pretty early here. There were big ass Plone projects underway here even before Plone 1.x was out. It took until sometime in Plone 2.x to get the bad companies banished because it took awhile to really figure out just how bad they were. So this relates to the number two problem. Because you might think, well, bad consulting companies are equal opportunity employers.
