Re: [Evangelism] Plone's Market Share
Cal, Since O'Reilly is largely invested in book sales, some back of the envelope calculations with Amazon sales ranks gives me a feeling that Plone book sales are roughly 1/12 of Drupal's. Very, very, very approximate. (I'll have my quarterly Amazon stats blog posting up within the week.) Then there's http://www.waterandstone.com/downloads/2008OpenSourceCMSMarketSurvey.pdf Ric Shreve's article on CMS market share that actually ignores market share sensu strictu and after lots of data gathering, comes up with a heuristic that identifies WordPress, Drupal, and Joomla as CMS leaders. Unfortunately, he never calculates a market share for any of those, including Plone, that he researched. My feeling is that WordPress isn't a CMS and Plone should be in the top 3. The fact that Plone was the 2008 Packt non-PHP CMS should count for something, too. See http://plonemetrics.blogspot.com/2008/11/drupal-plone-dotnetnuke.html my blog from last November about the inconsistency of comparing Drupal and Joomla with Plone based on Packt's results. Karl Calvin Hendryx-Parker wrote: > > "I'm not unwilling to test the waters, but can you give me an idea of > what you would consider the (Plone) market share to be?" > > Where can I find this type of information so we can put together an > argument about why Plone should even get their coverage? > > Cheers, > Cal > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Plone%27s-Market-Share-tp2380645p2387803.html Sent from the Evangelism mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
Re: [Evangelism] Plone's Market Share
I had the exact same discussion with Tim a few years back while at the O'Reilly Comdex booth (where we were demo'ing Plone after Plone won an online contest to see which open source projects would be featured there). Of course, that was probably 4 or 5 years ago now... 2009/2/25 Nate Aune > Don't forget to mention that Plone has had over a million downloads as of > July 2007.http://plone.org/news/plone-reaches-1-million-downloads > > I was in discussions with an editor at O'Reilly a few years ago about > writing a Plone book, and supposedly the idea of a Plone book was shot down > by Tim O'Reilly himself because he didn't feel that the market was large > enough. Which is why having some statistics would be very beneficial, to > show that there is in fact a large market for Plone. > > Nate > > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Matt Hamilton wrote: > >> >> On 24 Feb 2009, at 21:59, Calvin Hendryx-Parker wrote: >> >> Hi All, >>> >>> I finally heard back from the Webcast Producer at O'Reilly Media and they >>> need a bit of convincing before they would be willing to move forward with a >>> Plone based version of what they did for Drupal last fall. Basically this >>> is their question: >>> >>> "I'm not unwilling to test the waters, but can you give me an idea of >>> what you would consider the (Plone) market share to be?" >>> >>> Where can I find this type of information so we can put together an >>> argument about why Plone should even get their coverage? >>> >> >> >> I guess its hard to answer exactly what Plone's market share is, as I >> guess it depends what you define the market as. I mean, Plone won best >> non-PHP Open Source CMS Award from Packt, so I guess it would be fair to say >> that it's market share of 'non-php Open Source CMSes' would be pretty large >> ;) >> >> 'What percentage of websites run Plone?' would be a tiny tiny percentage >> if you are looking at all websites worldwide... then again its probabaly >> larger than many commercial CMSes out there. >> >> These sort of figures are what Karl Horek has been trying to work out on >> his Plone Metrics blog http://plonemetrics.blogspot.com/ >> >> Since Oreilly are big on Open Source... a figure such as 'Plone is in the >> top 5% of Open Source projects' or some such would be possibly of use. I >> can't remember if that stat is right, or the source... maybe someone else >> here can find the actual figure and source. >> >> -Matt >> >> >> -- >> Matt Hamilton ma...@netsight.co.uk >> Netsight Internet Solutions, Ltd. Understand. Develop. Deliver >> http://www.netsight.co.uk +44 (0)117 9090901 >> Web Design | Zope/Plone Development & Consulting | Co-location | Hosting >> >> >> >> ___ >> Evangelism mailing list >> Evangelism@lists.plone.org >> http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism >> > > > > -- > Nate Aune - na...@jazkarta.com > http://nateaune.com (personal blog) > http://jazkarta.com (open source technology solutions) > http://twitter.com/natea (daily updates) > > > ___ > Evangelism mailing list > Evangelism@lists.plone.org > http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism > > -- Scott Paley | ABSTRACT EDGE Office: 212.352.9311 Direct: 212.352.1470 Fax: 212.352.9498 Website: http://www.abstractedge.com Blog: http://www.brandinteractivism.com ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
Re: [Evangelism] Plone's Market Share
Don't forget to mention that Plone has had over a million downloads as of July 2007.http://plone.org/news/plone-reaches-1-million-downloads I was in discussions with an editor at O'Reilly a few years ago about writing a Plone book, and supposedly the idea of a Plone book was shot down by Tim O'Reilly himself because he didn't feel that the market was large enough. Which is why having some statistics would be very beneficial, to show that there is in fact a large market for Plone. Nate On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Matt Hamilton wrote: > > On 24 Feb 2009, at 21:59, Calvin Hendryx-Parker wrote: > > Hi All, >> >> I finally heard back from the Webcast Producer at O'Reilly Media and they >> need a bit of convincing before they would be willing to move forward with a >> Plone based version of what they did for Drupal last fall. Basically this >> is their question: >> >> "I'm not unwilling to test the waters, but can you give me an idea of what >> you would consider the (Plone) market share to be?" >> >> Where can I find this type of information so we can put together an >> argument about why Plone should even get their coverage? >> > > > I guess its hard to answer exactly what Plone's market share is, as I guess > it depends what you define the market as. I mean, Plone won best non-PHP > Open Source CMS Award from Packt, so I guess it would be fair to say that > it's market share of 'non-php Open Source CMSes' would be pretty large ;) > > 'What percentage of websites run Plone?' would be a tiny tiny percentage if > you are looking at all websites worldwide... then again its probabaly larger > than many commercial CMSes out there. > > These sort of figures are what Karl Horek has been trying to work out on > his Plone Metrics blog http://plonemetrics.blogspot.com/ > > Since Oreilly are big on Open Source... a figure such as 'Plone is in the > top 5% of Open Source projects' or some such would be possibly of use. I > can't remember if that stat is right, or the source... maybe someone else > here can find the actual figure and source. > > -Matt > > > -- > Matt Hamilton ma...@netsight.co.uk > Netsight Internet Solutions, Ltd. Understand. Develop. Deliver > http://www.netsight.co.uk +44 (0)117 9090901 > Web Design | Zope/Plone Development & Consulting | Co-location | Hosting > > > > ___ > Evangelism mailing list > Evangelism@lists.plone.org > http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism > -- Nate Aune - na...@jazkarta.com http://nateaune.com (personal blog) http://jazkarta.com (open source technology solutions) http://twitter.com/natea (daily updates) ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
Re: [Evangelism] Plone's Market Share
On 24 Feb 2009, at 22:25, Matt Hamilton wrote: Since Oreilly are big on Open Source... a figure such as 'Plone is in the top 5% of Open Source projects' or some such would be possibly of use. I can't remember if that stat is right, or the source... maybe someone else here can find the actual figure and source. And don't forget the WPD figures as well... 61 venues over 30 countries on 5 continents... pretty impressive. We need to conquer Antartica! -Matt -- Matt Hamilton ma...@netsight.co.uk Netsight Internet Solutions, Ltd. Understand. Develop. Deliver http://www.netsight.co.uk +44 (0)117 9090901 Web Design | Zope/Plone Development & Consulting | Co-location | Hosting ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
Re: [Evangelism] Plone's Market Share
On 24 Feb 2009, at 21:59, Calvin Hendryx-Parker wrote: Hi All, I finally heard back from the Webcast Producer at O'Reilly Media and they need a bit of convincing before they would be willing to move forward with a Plone based version of what they did for Drupal last fall. Basically this is their question: "I'm not unwilling to test the waters, but can you give me an idea of what you would consider the (Plone) market share to be?" Where can I find this type of information so we can put together an argument about why Plone should even get their coverage? I guess its hard to answer exactly what Plone's market share is, as I guess it depends what you define the market as. I mean, Plone won best non-PHP Open Source CMS Award from Packt, so I guess it would be fair to say that it's market share of 'non-php Open Source CMSes' would be pretty large ;) 'What percentage of websites run Plone?' would be a tiny tiny percentage if you are looking at all websites worldwide... then again its probabaly larger than many commercial CMSes out there. These sort of figures are what Karl Horek has been trying to work out on his Plone Metrics blog http://plonemetrics.blogspot.com/ Since Oreilly are big on Open Source... a figure such as 'Plone is in the top 5% of Open Source projects' or some such would be possibly of use. I can't remember if that stat is right, or the source... maybe someone else here can find the actual figure and source. -Matt -- Matt Hamilton ma...@netsight.co.uk Netsight Internet Solutions, Ltd. Understand. Develop. Deliver http://www.netsight.co.uk +44 (0)117 9090901 Web Design | Zope/Plone Development & Consulting | Co-location | Hosting ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
