Re: [Evangelism] Visual roadmaps for prospective users, integrators and developers (was: How would you position Plone?)
On 22/04/2009, at 4:08 AM, Mark A Corum wrote: Dylan, Is it possible to get access to the data used in creating your "Plone Positioning" chart? I've done hundreds of these over the years and would like to try to get at the heart of your message. It's based on a similar one used in an elcom presentation. I don't know how accurate that one was but not very in regard to open source CMS's. I added the extra axis about community OSS and put Plone on the chart. I was would appreciate any further information to make it more accurate. Mark Mark A Corum UI Designer | Online Marketing Specialist Certified ScrumMaster IM -- markcorum on AOL, MSN, Skype, Meebo and Yahoo; Jabber: markco...@gmail.com "Light up the darkness." - Bob Marley "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" (Who watches the watchmen?) - Juvenales, Satires On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Dylan Jay wrote: On 22/04/2009, at 12:24 AM, Matt Hamilton wrote: [meant to send back to list] Begin forwarded message: From: Matt Hamilton Date: 21 April 2009 15:24:24 BST To: Graham Perrin Subject: Re: [Evangelism] Visual roadmaps for prospective users, integrators and developers (was: How would you position Plone?) On 21 Apr 2009, at 11:58, Graham Perrin wrote: On the subject of intersecting lines and subway maps: at <http://www.akasig.org/2003/12/11/zope-and-plone-learning- roadmap/> there's a learning-oriented graphic. It's old (2003) but still, I found it very appealing ( http://www.diigo.com/05kox highlights ). Also, (and I'm not sure if this was in Dylan's original email) there is the CMS Watch Vendor Map: http://www.cmswatch.com/vendormap/ Hey thanks I just put that into my presentation next to this positioning slide I just made. Much more simplistic but thats the idea. ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
Re: [Evangelism] Visual roadmaps for prospective users, integrators and developers (was: How would you position Plone?)
Dylan, Is it possible to get access to the data used in creating your "Plone Positioning" chart? I've done hundreds of these over the years and would like to try to get at the heart of your message. Mark Mark A Corum UI Designer | Online Marketing Specialist Certified ScrumMaster IM -- markcorum on AOL, MSN, Skype, Meebo and Yahoo; Jabber: markco...@gmail.com "Light up the darkness." - Bob Marley "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" (Who watches the watchmen?) - Juvenales, Satires On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Dylan Jay wrote: > On 22/04/2009, at 12:24 AM, Matt Hamilton wrote: > >> [meant to send back to list] >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: Matt Hamilton >>> Date: 21 April 2009 15:24:24 BST >>> To: Graham Perrin >>> Subject: Re: [Evangelism] Visual roadmaps for prospective users, >>> integrators and developers (was: How would you position Plone?) >>> >>> >>> On 21 Apr 2009, at 11:58, Graham Perrin wrote: >>> >>>> On the subject of intersecting lines and subway maps: at >>>> <http://www.akasig.org/2003/12/11/zope-and-plone-learning-roadmap/> >>>> there's >>>> a learning-oriented graphic. It's old (2003) but still, I found it very >>>> appealing ( http://www.diigo.com/05kox highlights ). >>> >>> Also, (and I'm not sure if this was in Dylan's original email) there is >>> the CMS Watch Vendor Map: >>> >>> http://www.cmswatch.com/vendormap/ > > Hey thanks I just put that into my presentation next to this positioning > slide I just made. > > > Much more simplistic but thats the idea. > > > > ___ > Evangelism mailing list > Evangelism@lists.plone.org > http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism > > ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
Re: [Evangelism] Visual roadmaps for prospective users, integrators and developers (was: How would you position Plone?)
Karl Horak wrote: … Plone is at the confluence of open source, enterprise CMS, social & community CMS, and web publishing CMS. Plone is the only one occupying those three subway lines (four counting OSS). … We can't be experts at … We need to have a generalized toolset that's very, very customizable so that we can use that toolset very effectively to solve a huge host of problems. Plone-Zope-Python with a heavy dose of CSS is that toolset. … +1, I couldn't have put it better myself. The prospect of very effectively solving a *huge* range of problems, *without too many* areas of expertise, was the #1 reason for me preferring Plone to all other platforms for web development. Yes ... personally, I do think of Plone as a platform. A foundation upon which people will be able to build *most things required by our organisation* -- and IMO those requirements are a continuing tall order. However: for positioning to developers, I probably wouldn't say 'platform': I'd use words very close to Karl's. I notice on drupals elevator pitch[1] they identify three target groups all of which are not end users. Developers (looking for a flexible platform on which to build their websites) Managers (looking for a low-cost and powerful solution to build their next major project) Web administrators (looking for an easy way to deliver their content of any type) They are all about building, not really about out of the box user experience. I love plone for it's architecture and versatility and I'm a developer and I evengelise it. I've tried to put in extra slides based on what I find cool as a developer but it's not so easy to get across in simple terms [1] http://www.tylersuchman.com/2008/01/drupal-elevator-pitch.shtml ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
