Re: Olympia's Beautiful and Profound Mind

2005-05-15 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
I appreciate that there are genuine problems in the theory of computation as applied to intelligent and/or conscious minds. However, we know that intelligent and conscious minds do in fact exist, running on biological hardware. The situation is a bit like seeing an aeroplane in the sky then

Re: Olympia's Beautiful and Profound Mind

2005-05-15 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Stathis, Two points: I am pointing out that the non-interactional idea of computation and any form of monism will fail to account for the necessity of 1st person viewpoints. I am advocating a form of dualism, a process dualism based on the work of Vaughan Pratt.

Re: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 14-mai-05, à 07:44, Lee Corbin a écrit : No, it is not just erroneous. I know of many thoughtful people, and include myself as one of them, who believe that the so-called mind body problem is some sort of verbal or linguistic problem. I can agree with that, but then we should solve that

Re: Olympia's Beautiful and Profound Mind

2005-05-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 15-mai-05, à 15:40, Stephen Paul King a écrit : Two points: I am pointing out that the non-interactional idea of computation and any form of monism will fail to account for the necessity of 1st person viewpoints. You know that the necessity of 1st person viewpoints is what I consider the

Re: Olympia's Beautiful and Profound Mind

2005-05-15 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, As for your showng of necessity of a 1st personviewpoint , I still do not understand your argument and that is a failure on my part. ;-) As to Pratt's ideas, let me quote directly from one of his papers: http://boole.stanford.edu/pub/ratmech.pdf Some of the questions however

Tipler Weighs In

2005-05-15 Thread Lee Corbin
From Tipler's March 2005 paper The Structure of the World From Pure Numbers: Can the structure of physical reality be inferred by a pure mathematician? As Einstein posed it, Did God have any choice when he created the universe? Or is mathematics a mere handmaiden to the Queen of the Sciences,

Re: Many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-15 Thread aet.radal ssg
Why am I not surprised that I disagree with this response?- Original Message - From: "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Many worlds theory of immortality Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 23:25:28 +1000 The obvious and sensible-sounding