Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-01-30 Thread Brent Meeker
Benjamin Udell wrote: Brent, list, Your explication seems to turn on a pun. "End" as something of value doesn't imply a beginning. To the contrary an end or goal or terminus generally entails a beginning. A person interested in this subject from a theoretical viewpoint does have to confr

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-01-30 Thread Benjamin Udell
Brent, list, >>> Your explication seems to turn on a pun. "End" as something of value >>> doesn't imply a beginning. >> To the contrary an end or goal or terminus generally entails a beginning. A >> person interested in this subject from a theoretical viewpoint does have to >> confront that.

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-01-30 Thread Brent Meeker
Benjamin Udell wrote: Brent, list Your explication seems to turn on a pun. "End" as something of value doesn't imply a beginning. To the contrary an end or goal or terminus generally entails a beginning. A person interested in this subject from a theoretical viewpoint does have to confront

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-01-30 Thread Benjamin Udell
Brent, list > Your explication seems to turn on a pun. "End" as something of value doesn't > imply a beginning. To the contrary an end or goal or terminus generally entails a beginning. A person interested in this subject from a theoretical viewpoint does have to confront that. It may help to

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-01-30 Thread Brent Meeker
Benjamin Udell wrote: Tom, Brent, Bruno, list, Bruno wrote & Brent agreed, > I think everyone has religious faith... I don't think that I could go along with that, at least not in the strict sense of "religion" -- true enough, religion has, at its core, valuings with regard to power and s

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-01-30 Thread Benjamin Udell
Tom, Brent, Bruno, list,   Bruno wrote & Brent agreed, > I think everyone has religious faith...   I don't think that I could go along with that, at least not in the strict sense of "religion" -- true enough, religion has, at its core, valuings with regard to power and submission, ruling and b

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-01-30 Thread daddycaylor
"...even the statement 'I am not making sense' does not make sense because I don't believe in sense. I'll shut up... and be alone... and die..." Tom

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-01-30 Thread daddycaylor
Tom wrote: what are we left with?  To make my point more plain, I will give my own answer to this question. If we abandon a belief in truth, or if we totally separate truth from our lives, then what are we left with? We are left devoid of meaning in our lives. We would end up with som

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-01-30 Thread daddycaylor
Bruno wrote: I think everyone has religious faith... Amen, Bruno, and Ben also! This is of course a searing statement, which goes back to why the word "theology" is taboo. As it's commonly said, the two topics to stay away from in conversation are religion and politics. But, without usin

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-01-30 Thread Benjamin Udell
Bruno, Bent, list, Sometimes I use the word "opinion" to refer to a theoretical belief, as opposed to a practical belief. In those terms, if I believe something, then I'm willing to act practically, on the basis of that belief under potentially discorroborative circumstances as they currently a

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-01-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 29-janv.-06, à 20:02, Brent Meeker a écrit : I largely agree with Stathis. I note a subtle difference in language between Danny and Stathis. Danny refers to "believe in". I don't think a scientist ever "believes in" a theory. All right, you use "believe in" (quote included!) for the "

Re: Mathematics: Is it really what you think it is?

2006-01-30 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Marc,       I share with you a feeling that there is something missing in the static picture of mathematical truth as painted in Platonism; there is no fundamental sense of where Becoming originates. It has been a perpetual problem for Platonist to explain how to derive our sense of chang

Re: Mathematics: Is it really what you think it is?

2006-01-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 27-janv.-06, à 10:08, Marc Geddes a écrit : For one thing:  Are platonic mathematical entities really static and timeless like platonist philosophers say?  What if platonic mathematical entities can 'change state' somehow ?  What if they're dynamic?  And what if the *movement* of platonic