Re: computer pain

2006-12-16 Thread Brent Meeker
Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote: So your theory is that the electromagnetic field has an ability to learn which is not reflected in QED - it's some hitherto unknown aspect of the field and it doesn't show up in the field violating Maxwell's equations or QED predictions? And further this aspect

RE: computer pain

2006-12-16 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Colin Hales writes: Stathis wrote: I can understand that, for example, a computer simulation of a storm is not a storm, because only a storm is a storm and will get you wet. But perhaps counterintuitively, a model of a brain can be closer to the real thing than a model of a storm. We don't

Re: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order Belief)

2006-12-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 16-déc.-06, à 03:49, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : Bruno Marchal writes: Le 15-déc.-06, à 02:04, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : Who says the Nazis are wrong when they assert they are good? I was not saying that they were wrong. I was saying that they were bad. Who says this? All

Re: Hypostases (was: Natural Order Belief)

2006-12-16 Thread 1Z
Tom Caylor wrote: One thing Schaeffer did was remind us that the assumptions of nature and cause were foundational to modern science. More prevalent on the Christian Right is the Dominionist idea, shared by Reconstructionists, that Christians alone are Biblically mandated to occupy all

Re: Evil ? (was: Hypostases

2006-12-16 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 16-déc.-06, à 03:49, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : Bruno Marchal writes: Le 15-déc.-06, à 02:04, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : ... We could look at a particular incident where capital punishment was proposed, let's say for murder. Everyone might agree on the

Re: Evil ? (was: Hypostases

2006-12-16 Thread John Mikes
Brent, now that Wei Dai reincarnated me to the list, I hurry to agree with you (almost). Good/bad is not only a personal Whahooh (Yahoo??) but it is a culture related (changeable) set of value-judgments. * Re: capital punishment: 1. it is not a punishment because after the fact the punished has

Re: Evil ?

2006-12-16 Thread Brent Meeker
John Mikes wrote: Brent, now that Wei Dai reincarnated me to the list, I hurry to agree with you (almost). Good/bad is not only a personal Whahooh (Yahoo??) but it is a culture related (changeable) set of value-judgments. * Re: capital punishment: 1. it is not a punishment because

RE: Evil ?

2006-12-16 Thread Nick Prince
No need for escape - some offenders manage to convince us they are good to be let out - only to re offend. For some crimes this is manageable but for others !! -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brent Meeker Sent: 16

Re: computer pain

2006-12-16 Thread Colin Geoffrey Hales
So the EM fields account for the experiences that accompany the brain processes. A kind of epiphenomena. So why don't my experiences change when I'm in an MRI? I haven't been through the detail - I hope to verify this in my simulations to come but... As far as I am aware MRI magnets

RE: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order Belief)

2006-12-16 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Democratic system are more efficient to explore the political landscape and thus more efficient in probability to satisfy soul's natural attraction toward the good. The soul's natural attraction towards the good might be compared to the body's natural attraction to keep dry.

RE: Evil ? (was: Hypostases

2006-12-16 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
John Mikes writes: Re: capital punishment: 1. it is not a punishment because after the fact the punished has no way to be sorry or to improve. 2. punishing is a vengeance-related hypocritical self-aggrandisement assigned to gods and god-like feelings in humans. 3. I agree to discontinue

RE: computer pain

2006-12-16 Thread Colin Geoffrey Hales
I understand your conclusion, that a model of a brain won't be able to handle novelty like a real brain, but I am trying to understand the nuts and bolts of how the model is going to fail. For example, you can say that perpetual motion machines are impossible because they disobey the

RE: computer pain

2006-12-16 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Colin Hales writes: I understand your conclusion, that a model of a brain won't be able to handle novelty like a real brain, but I am trying to understand the nuts and bolts of how the model is going to fail. For example, you can say that perpetual motion machines are impossible

Re: computer pain

2006-12-16 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Colin Hales writes: I understand your conclusion, that a model of a brain won't be able to handle novelty like a real brain, but I am trying to understand the nuts and bolts of how the model is going to fail. For example, you can say that perpetual motion