RE: computer pain

2006-12-23 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
John Mikes writes: Stathis, your 'augmentded' ethical maxim is excellent, I could add some more 'except foe'-s to it. (lower class, cast, or wealth, - language, - gender, etc.) The last par, however, is prone to a more serious remark of mine: topics like you sampled are culture related

RE: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order Belief)

2006-12-23 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Bruno marchal writes: Even if it is presented as good for society, the child may accept that because of feelings of empathy for others. OK. Note that such an empathy is hard wired in our biological constitution. Many mammals seems to have it at some degree. Some form of autism are

Re: computer pain

2006-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
John Mikes wrote: Brent: let me start at the end: So why don't you believe it? because I am prejudiced by the brainwashing I got in 101 science education, the 'conventional' thinking of the (ongoing) science establishment - still brainwashing the upcoming scientist-generations with the same

Re: computer pain

2006-12-23 Thread John Mikes
Brent: Brent: It seems your answer is that it's just a convention that you happen to have learned - a mere artifact of culture as propounded by various post-modernists. JM: In our culture and its predecessors primitive observations led to explanations at the level of the then epistemic cognitive

RE: computer pain

2006-12-23 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Mark Peaty writes: Sorry to be so slow at responding here but life [domestic], the universe and everything else right now is competing savagely with this interesting discussion. [But one must always think positive; 'Bah, Humbug!' is not appropriate, even though the temptation is great

RE: computer pain

2006-12-23 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Brent Meeker writes: [Mark Peaty] From the foregoing it can be seen that while there can be no objective morality, nor any absolute morality, it is reasonable to expect increasing agreement on the relative morality of actions within an expanding context. Further, similar to the entropic

RE: computer pain

2006-12-23 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Oops, it was Jef Allbright, not Mark Peaty responsible for the first quote below. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: computer pain Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 15:31:03 +1100 Brent Meeker writes: [Mark Peaty]

RE: computer pain

2006-12-23 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Peter Jones writes: (1) Although moral assessment is inherently subjective--being relative to internal values--all rational agents share some values in common due to sharing a common evolutionary heritage or even more fundamentally, being subject to the same physical laws of the

Re: computer pain

2006-12-23 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Brent Meeker writes: [Mark Peaty] From the foregoing it can be seen that while there can be no objective morality, nor any absolute morality, it is reasonable to expect increasing agreement on the relative morality of actions within an expanding context.