Re: Why Objective Values Exist

2007-08-28 Thread Brent Meeker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On Aug 29, 4:20 am, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Thanks for spelling it out. > >>> (1) Mathematical concepts are indispensible to our explanations of >>> reality. >> So are grammatical concepts. > > No they aren't. Grammatical concepts are human cr

Re: Why Objective Values Exist

2007-08-28 Thread marc . geddes
On Aug 29, 4:03 am, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> There is this special quality of subjective experience: that which is > >> left over after all the objective (third person knowable) information > >> is accounted for. Nevertheless, the subjective experience can be > >> perfectly

Re: Why Objective Values Exist

2007-08-28 Thread marc . geddes
On Aug 29, 4:20 am, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for spelling it out. > > > (1) Mathematical concepts are indispensible to our explanations of > > reality. > > So are grammatical concepts. No they aren't. Grammatical concepts are human creations, which is precisely shown b

Re: Observer Moment = Sigma1-Sentences

2007-08-28 Thread David Nyman
On 28/08/07, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> If you drop a pen, to > >> compute EXACTLY what will happen in principle, you have to consider > >> all > >> comp histories in UD* (the complete development of the UD) going > >> through your actual state (the higher level description of

Re: Why Objective Values Exist

2007-08-28 Thread Brent Meeker
Thanks for spelling it out. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On Aug 28, 5:18 am, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I don't find your arguments at all convincing. In fact I don't think you've >> even given an argument - just assertions. > > > Here the points of a clear-cut argumen

Re: Why Objective Values Exist

2007-08-28 Thread Brent Meeker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On Aug 28, 12:53 am, "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 27/08/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> I accept that there is more than one way to describe reality, and I accept the concept of supervenience, but

Re: Observer Moment = Sigma1-Sentences

2007-08-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 27-août-07, à 13:27, David Nyman a écrit : > > On 16/08/07, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> If you drop a pen, to >> compute EXACTLY what will happen in principle, you have to consider >> all >> comp histories in UD* (the complete development of the UD) going >> through your ac

Re: Why Objective Values Exist

2007-08-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 28/08/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What if someone simply claimed that they couldn't see how circulation > > was the same as cardiovascular activity: they could understand that > > the heart was a pump, the blood a fluid, the blood vessels conduits, > > but the circulat

Re: Why Objective Values Exist

2007-08-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 28/08/07, David Nyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What if someone simply claimed that they couldn't see how circulation > > was the same as cardiovascular activity: they could understand that > > the heart was a pump, the blood a fluid, the blood vessels conduits, > > but the circulatory sy

Re: Why Objective Values Exist

2007-08-28 Thread marc . geddes
On Aug 28, 6:31 pm, "Torgny Tholerus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: > > > > > (7) From (3) mathematical concepts are objectively real. But there > > exist mathematical concepts (inifinite sets) which cannot be explained > > in terms of finite physical processes. > > How